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Old 12-21-2010, 12:48 AM   #241
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I don't open the turbo FS threads.
Then as much as it pains me, I call BS on the numbers
We are all entitled to our own opinion, but may I ask why?
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I am not selling the turbo parts at all, I am just doing some mods to the exhaust manifold, and changing the intake manifold to a GOTpsi piece. Also, after final thought I changing engine management systems. I do really want to get one of those new EFR turbos from Borgwarner but I am going to max this turbo out first.

Call numbers or bs, blah blah blah I don't care...this is what the car made for the final time, believe it or not it's w.e all I can say is NO one has a set up like mine. The car is built to flow a lot of air, from the 3" cold side intercooler piping, custom dual backdoor FMIC, to the 3" TB to the 4L intake manifold, to the race ported head and the big 10MM lift cams. It's okay though, like I said, I wasn't the machine that wrote the numbers on the page I am just the messenger and driver of my car. If you think the numbers are incorrect please bring this up to Sound Performance. Their number is on top of my dyno sheet.


Josh, thanks for the support bud. Aric, you can tell them how I was pulling you in on the highway at like 110 MPH like you where not even moving and I am sure you're close to 300 whp?
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We are all entitled to our own opinion, but may I ask why?
It is a nice build, I will give it that, maybe the numbers are honest, I wasn't there, I don't know what correction factor was used, and it is not listed on the dyno sheet; at least I couldn't find it.

If the numbers are correct, he has the magic miata 5 speed, it has been proven here time and time again, the 5 speed won't hold that much power. I think he is boosting by gear, but the tranny living at the hp/tq numbers being claimed is hard for me to swallow.

Maybe it's just me, but for being so proud of his build there is not a single video, not one dyno pull, not one shitty cell phone video. Seems very strange for someone so proud of their numbers, especially in the instant electronic world we live in.

Most of the members here making bigger numbers have posted up some sort of video to back their claims. This is the internet, for all I know he is some 15 y/o ******* just talking smack. Im not saying that is the case but you get my point.

Also, I don't care how good the tuner is, 1.5 hours to tune a miata on the dyno to 425 hp is very hard to believe. Maybe I should have used his tuner. It took my guy almost an hour and a half just to set everything up in my AEM before he even attempted a start up on e85, then my car ran on the dyno another 3 hours


He has been very supportive of my build and I appreciate that. I have tried to make sure that I have not come across disrespectful in questioning the numbers. Really would like to see some sort of video action.

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Old 12-21-2010, 09:54 AM   #244
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I just put down 450rwhp. I don't have a dyno and I sold all the parts and won't give away my secrets.


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I did 451rwhp after swapping out turbos.

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but i have a 1.6L
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Ive got a shifter kart that made 600 to the front wheels....
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Yes, it is possible to manipulate dyno numbers; but no, I don't think he did.

Race porting and GINORMOUS cams make a huge difference. A larger throttle body, a fabbed intake, and a ramhorn with large primaries will go a long way toward reducing restrictions in the system. I won't discount his use of a larger capacity intercooler and piping, either. I have thought for some time that our forum members were commonly using less than optimally sized intercoolers (and would really like to see empirical pressure drop and delta T numbers across a few).

I am typically a trusting person by nature as well. Call me naive but it might be true.
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Old 12-21-2010, 10:38 AM   #249
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I just put down 650 whp on my AWD NB. What son?!
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Yes, it is possible to manipulate dyno numbers; but no, I don't think he did.

Race porting and GINORMOUS cams make a huge difference. A larger throttle body, a fabbed intake, and a ramhorn with large primaries will go a long way toward reducing restrictions in the system. I won't discount his use of a larger capacity intercooler and piping, either. I have thought for some time that our forum members were commonly using less than optimally sized intercoolers (and would really like to see empirical pressure drop and delta T numbers across a few).

I am typically a trusting person by nature as well. Call me naive but it might be true.
I too took notice of the work he didi to create better flow. It is a key concept in getting good numbers at low boost. That being said i have seen nothing about how much flow was picked up after the porting was done. the amonut of porting claimed wouldbshould require the use of a flow bench. Also a 1.6 head is limited as far as how much material you can take out, which limits flow. Finally big cams are most certainly going to effect non boost drivabilty. The statement is made the car drives like stock when out of boost.

if his numbers are true then it is impressive. All im asking for is some video proof to back up his claim. I Don.t think that is asking to much. sorry for the typos response is from my phone, which like 99.9% of phones today can take video and post to the internet
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I just put down 650 whp on my AWD NB. What son?!
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Next time run the car with the tranny bolted!
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Old 12-21-2010, 04:56 PM   #253
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Aww you been dissed yo!
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He used NOS. 2 big ones.
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Like I said, a few members on this board have seen my car in person. No one thought Eliminators numbers we slewed, why? Because he had a video of the car on the dyno? Sorry, but a video of my car will not prove anything. I do not know what correction factor they use, and that 1.5 hour of tuning was exactly that, tuning. He spend another hour getting start up and idle correct. Also, my car previously had a AMS tune it in beforehand which I am sure helped. Why my 5 speed lasted so long, hell if I know. I am not parting anything out, like I said for the last time. Me changing out a few parts for better parts, such as an ECU with flex fuel option, and a better designed intake manifold, also, changing the wastegate placement on the manifold as well as a bigger flange for a bigger wastegate. Anyone is more than welcome to call SP and ask them questions. Like I said, and I will say again I do not see anyone on these forums that have a set up like mine, and everyone has the same similar set up as each other and wonder why better numbers are not created? I have a billet 5857 turbo that can flow enough air for 600+ hp, I have a 3.5" thick intercooler core from ETS, etc etc just a lot of time and money went into my car.

Why don't I have video? Actually, I do or my friend does on his camera. It's a short blip of 3rd gear. Why it was never posted? It's just shitty quality, if I want to make a video I will get it done right.

The fact of the matter is, it's winter here in IL we have about 6-7" of snow outside, the car wasn't going to be driven regardless, so I am pulling some parts off it. Spring you'll see a total monster, I am going to try to get a magazine shoot and I will make 600+ whp with professional video. Ed, Aric, Dave have all seen my car is all I have to say, Ed and Aric have both seen what my car can do on the highway.
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My car traps 108.8 in the 1/4. Jason and I have gone at it on the highway and from slow roll. His car pulls on mine HARD. I have videos and time slips of my car, and I can say without a doubt Jason's car is faster then mine.
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My car traps 108.8 in the 1/4. Jason and I have gone at it on the highway and from slow roll. His car pulls on mine HARD. I have videos and time slips of my car, and I can say without a doubt Jason's car is faster then mine.
Do you have some dyno plots?
Cause 108 can can easily be achieved with 250whp.

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I am not parting anything out, like I said for the last time. Me changing out a few parts for better parts, such as an ECU with flex fuel option, and a better designed intake manifold, also, changing the wastegate placement on the manifold as well as a bigger flange for a bigger wastegate.
That's good.
Looking forward to some plots from a different dyno (hopefully) and some vids.
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Yeah, different dyno next time...maybe this time it will be a Dynojet so it will make even more power. lulz
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Do you have some dyno plots?
Aricjm15 getting called out now!
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I'm not calling him out fgt....
Do you guys even know wtf "calling out" means?
The term gets thrown around more loosely than hustlers anus.

I'm bored at work and like looking at peoples setups/ecu maps/dyno plots. Sue me.
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