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Old 07-24-2013, 10:25 AM   #41
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The only reason the throttle opened was cause Leonardo scared him into submission after a threat of copyright infringement.
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Old 07-24-2013, 10:27 AM   #42
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EDIT: I've been completely happy with the factory DBW maps on my '05 subaru OBXT. 5MT car with a 'heavy' WRX flywheel, it does what my brain wants it to
That's because you're a regular human, like the rest of us.

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The only reason the throttle opened was cause Leonardo scared him into submission after a threat of copyright infringement.
riiiiiight

and it has nothing to do with a certain fgt admin lugging his car in 2nd gear at like 300 rpm expecting it to drive itself

I'm sure that's just hypothetical
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why does that matter? why should being ~1000RPM in 2nd gear matter in regards to the car actually responding to my throttle inputs. So what do you suggest I do in stop and go traffic, keep it in first, and when i need to go forward rev it up to 5k and dump the clutch?! You do understand it's not so much to ask for a throttle that actually reacts to throttle inputs.

and it's not like I'm expecting 100TQ at 1000RPM, but I'm expecting greater than 0.

and I'm not confusing the lack of any low-end from the turbo either, it has nothing to do with it.

I'm sorely disappointed in the ECU cannot read my throttle inputs and make the throttle respond within a reasonable amount of time in regards to on/off throttle changes only. I don't have issues when the car it at speeds of say 2000RPM or above. (and please dont tell me to cruise in 4th gear).

I took a video, in second gear while driving down a 35mph road I floored it a few times and made verbal note of when the car actually reacted. There was a delay, you can hear when I hit the pedal down and then me and the engine doing something. I'll have to upload later.

Every other car I've ever driven in my lifetime will open the throttle when I ask it to.
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1) umad
2) if you drove a n/a subaru in traffic like that it would do exactly as you say you want it to do. yours wont because its low comp. another one just like yours but with dbc will do exactly the same thing. again, it has dbc.
your dbw might be lazy I'm not saying its flawless I'm just saying its nowhere near as bad as you make it out to be. and its not worse than the same car would have felt like with dbc.
3) ????
4) stick ITB's on your miata and to WOT at 2mph for that crazy split second lurch

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Drive a 600cc sportbike?
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Not enough throttle response.

We need the car to go half throttle before he even turns it on
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2) if you drove a n/a subaru in traffic like that it would do exactly as you say you want it to do. yours wont because its low comp. another one just like yours but with dbc will do exactly the same thing. again, it has dbc.
ohhhh, so subaru has a DBC system that uses a bungee cord so the throttle doesn't actually open when you hit the throttle, only until the cord is loaded enough for it to actually pull the throttle open? cool!


now im mad i didn't load your MS with a map that had no throttle enrichments and you could suffer like me. My rex feels like my miata when my AE and EAE is untuned.
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Old 07-24-2013, 10:53 AM   #49
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I drove scott's car the other day to get delicious burgers. you can tap your foot to the music using the gas pedal and the car barely reacts.

the MINI Countryman S has much better mapping. Sure it's a LITTLE sluggish, but even scott agrees that it's WAYYYYYYYY better than his.

Tim: my MINI will get some front tire scratch with the DSC on and continue under normal power levels.
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just imagine what mine was like with the factory map and the one I tweaked is 10000 times better.
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and you can keep tweaking it and make it even better

also, and this I know you won't do but I'll say anyway:
a downpipe and exhaust would drastically improve response
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I guess I'm at the point where I dunno what else to touch to improve it.

I need to start datalogging it, but I keep forgetting to bring my laptop. I really hate tuning it compared to the miata...it's so non-intuitive.
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Tim: my MINI will get some front tire scratch with the DSC on and continue under normal power levels.
That's good, seems like the new generation model is a much nicer piece from what I've read of yours. Turbos FTW.

Hey scott, does your subaru feel like a megasquirt that still needs the AE and EAE tuned?
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Hey scott, does your subaru feel like a megasquirt that still needs the AE and EAE tuned?
it does, brah, it does.


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I guess I'm at the point where I dunno what else to touch to improve it.

I need to start datalogging it, but I keep forgetting to bring my laptop. I really hate tuning it compared to the miata...it's so non-intuitive.
Is there no factory reflash to fix complaints about it?
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LOL @ factory reflash.

If he describes his much sharper than oem map as lazy now, his description of the OEM throttle map would include the words "millenium" "century" and "lifetime"
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I wouldn't laugh too much. A fellow I work with has taken his Audi A-something in a couple of time for new firmware on the CVT, to better optimize the "shift points."

(Yes, this CVT attempts to emulate a planetary gearbox.)
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If enough customers complain about the lazy throttle response, the factory will fix it in a reflash.
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that was an issue in the 2008 WRX. they made a handful of improvements for 2009, including a new suspension and turbo even...
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if they make the oem throttle response more sharp and keep cl/ol timer the same I forsee them having a baaad time with lean tip in, knock, bucking, etc.

and if they shorten the timer the gas mileage will drop. and they would NEVER do that lol
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