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Old Jul 24, 2013 | 12:54 PM
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that was an issue in the 2008 WRX. they made a handful of improvements for 2009, including a new suspension and turbo even...
Why did you get a 2008 knowing that information beforehand?
Old Jul 24, 2013 | 01:04 PM
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he got a '10 with all its much better features.

still complains tho.....
Old Jul 24, 2013 | 05:20 PM
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Should have got an '11

The OEM widebody would surely have fixed this problem

Or maybe just looked 100x better...
Old Jul 24, 2013 | 07:57 PM
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I wouldn't laugh too much. A fellow I work with has taken his Audi A-something in a couple of time for new firmware on the CVT, to better optimize the "shift points."

(Yes, this CVT attempts to emulate a planetary gearbox.)
That's the gayest ****. All of the weakness of a CVT without utilizing its one unique and/or redeeming feature.

And I'm sure it's in the name of appeasing the average brain-dead Starbucks-swigging mallrat who makes up its core demo who would be confused to death when the engine speed stopped climbing but the vehicle was still accelerating.
Old Jul 24, 2013 | 09:10 PM
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Originally Posted by kotomile
That's the gayest ****.
It truly is gayer than FaeFlora at a Hell's Angel's rally. The first time we went out to lunch together in his car after he bought it, and he told me it had a CVT, I thought he was retarded (or had just been swindled.) Nope, did some research and found that it does, in fact, have a CVT.
Old Jul 24, 2013 | 11:38 PM
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My 335i is decent, very responsive when mashing it at any point, even in drive. It's even better in DS (sport) which basically only moves the low throttle application shift point to about 2700. I actually wish it was more linear on the bottom end. It's tough to take off from a stop sign in a normal, reasonable fashion unless really paying attention.
Old Jul 25, 2013 | 11:24 AM
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What I don't get despite how sensitive lots of throttle pedals are, such as the Camry, is how so many drivers accelerate at 0.0001 G when the light turns green. Especially Camrys! What, they manage to move the gas only 0.001 mm??
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Originally Posted by kotomile
That's the gayest ****. All of the weakness of a CVT without utilizing its one unique and/or redeeming feature.

And I'm sure it's in the name of appeasing the average brain-dead Starbucks-swigging mallrat who makes up its core demo who would be confused to death when the engine speed stopped climbing but the vehicle was still accelerating.
I suspect the majority of drivers don't even realize actually RPMs rise with road speed.
Old Jul 25, 2013 | 11:27 AM
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I drove a murano with CVT, I didnt mind it. i thought it was smooth and kept the rpms around 4K through accerlating and kept it in a very nice sweet spot of tq.


i keep reading and reading and reading about tuning the DBW maps for my rex and still come away dumber than i started.
Old Jul 25, 2013 | 11:30 AM
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Simple solution. Don't put a tach on the CVT cars.
Old Jul 25, 2013 | 11:31 AM
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oh dude, car dashboards are a big pet peave of mine. in the space they put 3 big *** digital to analoge gauges, you could display about 50 important things; that are easier to read.
Old Jul 25, 2013 | 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by JasonC SBB
What I don't get despite how sensitive lots of throttle pedals are, such as the Camry, is how so many drivers accelerate at 0.0001 G when the light turns green. Especially Camrys! What, they manage to move the gas only 0.001 mm??
Many newer cars, like our prius and subaru sti's, actually have adjustable throttle maps the driver can select.



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Old Jul 25, 2013 | 12:27 PM
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oh dude, car dashboards are a big pet peave of mine. in the space they put 3 big *** digital to analoge gauges, you could display about 50 important things; that are easier to read.

case and point:



this car displays the MPH in a quick, easy to read digital format that takes up about 1x1". Great, but why also have an analog gauge?

also, why does the driver need coffee?
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Originally Posted by Braineack
oh dude, car dashboards are a big pet peave of mine. in the space they put 3 big *** digital to analoge gauges, you could display about 50 important things; that are easier to read.

case and point:



this car displays the MPH in a quick, easy to read digital format that takes up about 1x1". Great, but why also have an analog gauge?

also, why does the driver need coffee?
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Old Jul 25, 2013 | 01:13 PM
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If you're not driving flat out, you need coffee

Old Jul 25, 2013 | 02:22 PM
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brain: it's "case in point"
Old Jul 25, 2013 | 02:27 PM
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i presented a case, and a point.

I did more reading, I'm going to reevaluate my DBW mapping.
Old Jul 25, 2013 | 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Braineack
also, why does the driver need coffee?
That image is taken from a Mercedes C-class. The icon indicates that the "Attention Assist" system is active.

If you weren't so poor and Irish, you could afford a Mercedes, and then you'd know about such things.

Here's a video explaining it:




Here's a link to PDF of the owners manual for an M-class, which has a similar computer configuration. The system is described beginning on page 230.

http://www.mbusa.com/vcm/MB/DigitalA...13_M_Class.pdf



TL,DR: Search, newb.
Old Jul 25, 2013 | 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by 18psi
lol you make it sound like you go wot, wait a few days, then the car moves.

drama llama
Theres about half to a second delay.
Old Jul 25, 2013 | 05:38 PM
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okay, i revisited the DBW maps.


Here's OEM:




Here's what I had:




Here's what I'm going to try:




There's a method to it all, but I can't brain enough to regurgitate it.
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