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Old 04-09-2013, 09:02 AM
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Square top will give you 7-10hp.
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yeah the VCTS manifold is the worst of them all. Are you actually running VICS now or just the IM?


Hustler, so far as I've seen, a funcitoning VICS IM will net same exact powercurve as a squaretop.
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Originally Posted by Braineack
yeah the VCTS manifold is the worst of them all. Are you actually running VICS now or just the IM?


Hustler, so far as I've seen, a funcitoning VICS IM will net same exact powercurve as a squaretop.
No way, we gained significant high end power and lost a tad in the mid range when we replaced the vics with a flat top on the csp car. I dont have dyno numbers to back it up I just have the boat load of VE I needed to add up top and the bit I had to take away in the mid range to back it up.
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Here's the one I was thinking of:



Run 30 [is] w/the stock VICS IM w/ VICS set at 5400 RPM, which tends to be corret for most FM2 cars. Run 33 has the flat top manifold installed.
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Originally Posted by Braineack
yeah the VCTS manifold is the worst of them all. Are you actually running VICS now or just the IM?


Hustler, so far as I've seen, a funcitoning VICS IM will net same exact powercurve as a squaretop.
Negative. I made a touch less torque and 10hp more (on the MD-240) from 4500-7100 with my square top compared to my daily. Same engine, same header, same exhaust, same intake pipe, the daily has a 99 plenum, green car as a square.
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This thread is really starting to be cool.

Thanks for sharing OP.

This is yet another plot showing what we all suspected/knew: vtcs mani past 6k is DONE son
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Originally Posted by 18psi
This thread is really starting to be cool.

Thanks for sharing OP.

This is yet another plot showing what we all suspected/knew: vtcs mani past 6k is DONE son
+1 for "sonning".
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Old 04-09-2013, 10:40 AM
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I am operating the VICS @ 5,400.

I will be removing the VCTS and doing some light porting (i.e. gasket matching, work behind the throttle body, etc) and retesting. I would love to gain back the lost HP and TQ and keep most/all of the high RPM power.

A question for you guys, do you think that a 2.25" Bosal made, Mazdaspeed brand Spec Miata exhaust, with a Jackson Racing 1.6L high-flow cat is too small to support more than 140HP?
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Just throw the VTCS IM away and dont look back.
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BTW the VICS vs VTCS vs Squaretop data from FM vs TSE don't jive very well.
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I wasn't aware there was data from TSE from testing them: care to share?
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k, good to know.

similar to the FM vs. TSE EFR results I'm going to assume

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well obviously 2560>EFR especially on a 1.6 in Australia
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I have a suspicion that the square top doesn't have as much effect on a turbo car as an N/A car.
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Aussie correction values differ from SAE.
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Originally Posted by karter74
I have a suspicion that the square top doesn't have as much effect on a turbo car as an N/A car.
Oh boy here we go
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Originally Posted by karter74
I have a suspicion that the square top doesn't have as much effect on a turbo car as an N/A car.
It should be a function of revlimit, not turbo vs NA.
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Brand new VTCS vs VICS data:
VICS manifold vs VCTS (W/Butterflies) - MX-5 Miata Forum

The difference above 6800 RPM actually matches FM's stock 99 vs stock 01 dyno plot
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Originally Posted by Leafy
No way, we gained significant high end power and lost a tad in the mid range when we replaced the vics with a flat top on the csp car. I dont have dyno numbers to back it up I just have the boat load of VE I needed to add up top and the bit I had to take away in the mid range to back it up.
MX-5 Miata Forum - View Single Post - FM High Compression VVT Stroker Hydra

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Originally Posted by JasonC SBB
Brand new VTCS vs VICS data:
VICS manifold vs VCTS (W/Butterflies) - MX-5 Miata Forum

The difference above 6800 RPM actually matches FM's stock 99 vs stock 01 dyno plot
He just posted that in this very thread today lol
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