Trackspeed Engineering Turbo Kit installed: first impressions. *Real update in post*
 

I know they are working on releasing a turbo kit for this summer and that there will be two options. One needs engine management, and the other comes with AEM EMS. They are choosing a BorgWarner turbo and tubular manifold for the kit. I think the base kit will be 10-11 psi and 240 rwhp. Does anyone have any other further information?

Few more questions. I have a 94 with a 30-60k JDM engine (compression is OK) and all maintainence has been performed. New suspension, tires, brakes, FM clutch happy meal and is ready to be forced inducted. :giggle: Having read all of this, how much risk will I be taking at say 240 rwhp or so on the stock connecting rods and transmission?

Let me know folks! :bowrofl:

I know a guy who might have more info - I'll ask him ;)

Savington! :rofl: Can you address the stock connecting rods and transmission breaking concern? The car will be a street car and not beat on.

The base kit will be safe for a stock motor. 5-speed will last for a while with some mechanical empathy as well. We're aiming at the 225-240whp range, and we're expecting 10-11psi.

Beyond what you posted (BW EFR6258, tubular manifold), the system will be using a Precision 350hp intercooler, 3" stainless downpipe, heatsleeved oil/water lines, Inconel studs, and everything else required to make the car work. A/C and P/S compatible as well.

The mechanical half will retail at around $3900, and it will include the manifold/turbo/downpipe, oil/water lines, intercooler+pipes, Inco studs, turbo intake, any heat shields we deem necessary, etc. The management half will add around $1900 to the kit. It will include our PnP EMS-4 package, a set of ID725 fuel injectors, and a Walbro fuel pump (190hp for 94-97, 255hp for 99-05).

Our design goal was to put together a kit that could be purchased off-the-shelf, installed with ease by a regular enthusiast with basic hand tools in a weekend, and taken to the track without further upgrades or re-engineering. We wanted to focus on response and driveability, but still provide a system that can break the 300whp mark if the end user so desires. The EFR6258 is the perfect turbo for that task, since it responds and drives like a 2554R but is capable of making 2860RS power. Our base kit will ship at 225-240whp, but the major kit components (downpipe, turbo, intercooler, injectors, etc) will be safe to 300whp, so there's no redundant upgrades required later on down the road. If you want 300whp, you just add one of our built longblocks and a fuel system (rail+FPR), and dial up the boost.

We have the first prototype bits floating around the shop now, and we'll be testing the first bits over the next couple of weeks. The first production parts will spend time under Rover's hood to provide the propulsion for our NASA E1 Enduro races, as well as time under the hood of Theseus for some high-boost torture testing. Once I have some production parts to snap photos of, I will post them up.

We're pretty excited - we have been working on the kits for a very long time, but we want to make sure they're done right.

Thanks for the detailed response! I will be awaiting this turbo kit, it seems like it will be the "best" kit so far. Any plans for a group pre-order buy for a discount? ;). Also will there be a 3 inch exhaust option with high flow cat perhaps? Would you also recommend 2 step colder plugs? If so, which ones? Thanks!

CARB EO#? :party:
(I know this is probably not realistic, but I have to ask)

As for plugs, I'm guessing NGK BKRE6 or BKRE7s?

We aren't ruling it out, but we aren't actively pursuing it at this time.

I'm interested. If you need a test dummy (long shot lol) holler at me;)

You're omitting the best part. The torque curve. Can't wait to see and envy the dyno's.

OT that car you tuned for us is running really really strong! Very happy customer!

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1335843441
Homo-turbo kit alert!!!

Can it actually be obtained with an AEM EMS?

Not with the AEM. IF we did a CARB kit, it would be lower power with a piggyback system.

Possibly with 3 PC-PROS?

At least 7.

That's where you number came from on your car? 7 PC-Pros, 1 driver?

71 PC-Pros. Obviously. :party:

must be fast and very easy to tune.

With 71 PC-PROS your intake temps must be getting into the negatives. I am betting you are making a good amount of power with those temps.

Hey Savington... when I get out of the Navy, can I have a job?

The PC-Pro gag was almost funny 2 years ago.

Lookin' forward to seeing pics of this kit! And your PNP AEM kit is silly affordable. Nice!

How many e-cool injectors tho...

I've seen the turbo, held the turbo, stroked the turbo. I still dream of the turbo.

What are you doing in order to put the Inconel/Stage8 hardware on the EFR? Will you machine the turbo housing or trim the hardware or what?

I was only able to fit the Stage8 bits on 3 of the studs and the 4th one had to be cut short. Otherwise turbo hit block stud.

We'll either trim the hardware or just use Resbond on that nut instead.

Cool vid on the EFR turbos:

:-/ I was hoping it was going to be a v-band kit. Decisions decisions.

There are no v-band options for the efr "yet". The general awesomeness of the efr and the badass internal wastegate/bov are definitely worth the 4 bolt hassle, especially when the inconel bolts have solved the "turbo fall off because racecar" problem.

Treadstone has had this page up for over a year now: http://www.treadstoneperformance.com...m.phtml?nik=52

but there hasn't been any recent news about those actually happening.

For a kit that is supposed to be hassle free and easy to install, the t2 4 bolt flange will be a one time annoyance. Also, depending on the manifold design, hopefully the turbo will be able to bolt to the manifold as one piece before bolting the manifold to the head.

^^ that and it seems it's mostly the Miata crew that has most issues with this. Somehow it seems others have managed to figure it out.

many other cars use bolts larger than m8 m10 IIRC. also lots more bracing since they come factory boosted. also lots less vibration since the bp vibrates like a dildo

Don't be ashamed, baby.

This kit will be bomb diggity. I don't want to hear people bitches about no 4 bolt flange neither. TSE's stud kits fixed that problem.

Of course, now I'm just waiting for the 1.6 kit to come out :rofl:

you should stop being gay and go 1.8 like the rest of the power bottoms on this forum

Nah

We will never do a 1.6 kit, sorry.

Bam. Cut off at the knees.

Good, then I can stay as one of the top HP 1.6L cars :).

Although, after seeing this MZR engine plot I imagine my next build will be a 2.5L VVT set up. Maybe with an EFR.

Savington - any reason you prefer the AEM ECU over others?

Lots of little reasons, but I'll hit on a couple of the big ones.

The AEMs are not the cheapest ECUs out there, but they are far from the most expensive, and they provide a fantastic set of features for the money spent. The EMS-4 in particular is one of the new Series 2 boxes, which gives it improved idle control and simply outstanding on-board knock detection capabilities. Not only does the ECU do its own window filtering, you can set a 2D RPM-based noise filter, and we can set a frequency filter in the software, all of which makes the knock sensor highly, highly accurate.

It's also got all of the features that you would expect a good standalone to have - electronic boost control, switchable fuel maps, excellent spark/ignition table resolution, and closed-loop WBO2 feedback. It also has native VVT control and OEM-style A/C control (TPS and RPM dependent), NB alternator control (with our patch harness), etc.

The AEMs are also very, very easy to use. This goes beyond the software (which is very good). The box has native USB support, so the maps download and upload fast, and there's never a struggle to select the right COM port - the AEM takes care of that automatically. The AEM software is based on tabs, and each tab combines several of the settings which you would normally adjust together. For new and intermediate users, there is a small explanation box in the right-hand corner that gives a brief synopsis of each function as you select it, which helps immensely with truly understanding the adjustments you're making. If you're an advanced user and you want to build your own tabs, AEMTuner makes that very easy - I've developed a tab on my tuning PC, for instance, that mimics the old VVT page from AEMPro so I can quickly make alterations to the VVT map. The software provides a fully customizable display of parameters with each screen as well.

For users who want nothing to do with the tuning aspect, the AEM is one of the most widely used standalones in the US across all makes and models. Even if your local dyno shop isn't a Miata expert, the chances are very, very good that someone employed there will be comfortable working with an AEM, and you'll get a great tune as a result.

Overall, the AEMs combine a great featureset, low cost, and the support of a very well-known and respected company. We've been using their ECUs for 2+ years now, and I have never wanted to upgrade or switch to anything else.

Thank you for the detailed response. When do you anticipate your kit being available?

No hard ETA. We'll post about major R&D steps, but we don't want to rush to market.

As someone who just wants a kit to bolt on and 'forget' that it is there, how would you say this compares to the FMII ? So far, I've read that is the go to kit that is complete and comes with legendary FM customer service.

Why would i guy like me, give you $6k for a kit without the FM 'pedigree' if you will? Especially when their kit is cheaper in both the hardware only config ( $3k ) vs the $3900 you stated earlier.

I WANT to consider your kit over the FM, especially because I am only a couple hours away from you :D and would be willing to lend my car (94') as a test mule if I could get a nice discount :)

Sincerely,

a fellow 805er

Also, if this kit was purchased, and you LATER got a CARB certificate, in theory, would one be able to get the needed parts to go pass the sniffer every 2 years? Its a hassle here in Cali for us with street cars.

Also, the stock 220ish that this kit makes... this is totally safe for our stock 1.8s ?

Or is this severely reducing engine life? Ive got a healthy 90k miles on my car, and I'd hate to blow that up unnecessarily.

Thanks and I look forward to hearing more news about this kit.

PM me if you need that mule :D

because the stuff FM offers is no where near what this kit promises to be. if you have to ask this question, maybe you SHOULD buy the FMII kit.

my only question is how you guys will address the EFR shortage?

Simple - our kits are better. Better turbo, better downpipe, better manifold, better standard-equipment turbo studs. Our kits are designed and built to be used on a race track, and since we've been racing turbocharged Miatas for years (Theseus is the fastest turbocharged Miata in the country today) we know how to build a kit that will withstand the kind of abuse we put our cars through every weekend.

We have a lot of respect for FM here, and we consider them the shop to beat in this market, but we wouldn't be producing this kit if we weren't damn sure we could do a better job than they do.

No way for me to conclusively answer this, sorry. I won't comment on anything regarding CARB or smog legality.

It won't severely reduce engine life, no. A 220whp stock-block car will last just as long as it otherwise would on the street. On the track, the life does go down a bit - we typically expect to get around 40 events out of a naturally aspirated motor before it starts to show excessive leakdown and oil consumption, and I would expect a factory motor at 220whp to get to ~25-30 events before the same thing appears.

Of course, the kit is capable of 300whp with nothing more than a new fuel rail and a fuel pump, should you decide to order up one of our Turbo-spec forged bottom ends. ;)

I probably have more info regarding that shortage than most of the national BW distributors do. We're keeping a close eye on it, and we will adjust our schedule accordingly so that it doesn't hold us up.

Who is building the manifolds for your kits? Will they be an equal length design, or low mount axial?

Thanks for the response Savington, I look forward to seeing what happens with this.

Id love to support a local guy.

Sav, what are the exhaust options going to be for the kit? Is a high flow cat going to be an option?

Sch40 304SS tubular, with an emphasis on low volume for improved response. The kit will fit A/C and P/S, so it's a side/top hybrid mount.

3" downpipe will be standard. We have not quite finalized the exact downpipe configuration or not - we may have the rear-most section of the downpipe swap out for use with a stock exhaust or a 3" exhaust, or we may require the use of a 2.5" or 3" aftermarket exhaust. There will be no cat option - if you want a cat, you'll have to source it yourself.

In general, there will be no options available on our kits - what you see in the standard parts list will be what comes in every single box. This reduces shipping delays, eliminates shipping/order errors, and streamlines tech support significantly on our end, and it allows you guys to easily order a kit without fretting over which options you should or shouldn't buy.

If it's in the kit, it needs to be there - if it's not there, it doesn't need to be there. Simple and easy.

I'll be looking for this kit by Fall 2013. Getting the itch for boost again!

Didn't Trackspeed kill off all those people in India last year?

Lock this thread and don't bump it until you are ready to take my money and send me a super sweet turbo kit.

Any chance to include your COP setup with this kit? That is, if you still sell them.

I'm ready to buy. ; ). Sav, how do you plan on handling future revisions to the kit after the customer has purchased? Thanks!

I'm sure we can hook you up with an ebay manifold. :bowrofl:

We definitely sell them, but will not include it in the kit. If you want the COP kit, just buy it separately.
You can find it here: http://trackspeedengineering.com/sto...-kit-p-28.html

We don't intend on having or needing any significant revisions once we have the kit for sale; we are making all of those now during the development of the kit. If there happened to be any significant changes to the kit we would have those pieces available for purchase to any previous kit owner.

I've love to see the wiring harness for sale without the coils :P Of course reasonable price.

Hey I will hold off my fmII purchase I would like to purchase this all the way from Scotland!!!!!

So i read on the first page...

blah blah blah, and i quote "....but the major kit components (downpipe, turbo, intercooler, injectors, etc) will be safe to 300whp"

thing is i realize the work in this kit pretty much just started, but what if people (not sayin myself) for what ever reason WANT more than 300whp lets say closer to 400. (i'd be happy with 350 to the wheels)

Will there be any push to see how the manifold will hold up to more HP?

We won't test the manifold beyond what the 6258 is capable of, no. I have a tenative plan to offer a 500whp-capable EFR7064 kit, but that will be a no A/C, no P/S kit with a price tag closer to $10k, and that's only if the 6258 kits sell well.