I'd like to see a few prototype pictures if possible just to get an idea of what fits where.
Are you guys at a point where you can post some?

We don't publicly release prototype pictures, sorry. We'll post pictures when production parts arrive.

O_O
Turbo hit block? That's a Faeflora-sized turbo.

It's not all that big, but the flow is amazing. Theseus has always been about pushing the boundaries of what's possible in a road race Miata, and the next frontier is 500whp, so I'm going there.

Let's keep on topic with the 6258 kit, though - if someone's really interested in a 7064 kit then they can send me a PM/email.

And when is that anyways? I feel like it's a little ways off, but somehow this thread took off. Maybe I missed something.

Ahhh, I thought you guys were close to production minus the Borg Warner turbo source. Keep us in the loop as some of us are holding off on our purchases until we get a peek at what you're planning. Since you've had so many road race cars that were turbocharged I would have thought that DNA would surface into your kits and pics of these would be relevant.

FWIW, any PM's would be kept private as I don't plan to produce turbo kits. ;)

All the work and knowledge that has gone into my road-race turbo car is going directly into this kit. The running joke is that I've been doing R&D on these kits for 5 years ;)

Well, we did free R&D for other people for a while, can you count that period?

That's why we're doing our own turbo kit - we figure that if we're going to be forced to pay for the R&D anyway, we may as well do it for ourselves instead of for other companies :giggle:

would you consider selling only the mani, turbo and dp?

No he is not. It will be a buy everything, or buy nothing.

I'm guessing that we're still too far away for a reasonably accurate ETA, but are we thinking in terms of months or years?

Hours.

Months, likely Q3 2012.

Probably not. My suspicion is that we'll only have enough mani/turbo/DPs to fill our full kit orders. If we end up with surplus inventory in a year, then we'll look at a DIY kit.

FYI, if we were to sell those three parts separately, you'd be looking at a price tag of at least $2000.

You haz not fully disclosed the prototype? Is this a Holy Grail?




































:giggle:

So no 1.6 / NA6 option hey? Shame.... can't be convinced?

No, they were only made for 3 years vs. 12 for the 1.8 variants. You're lucky if he makes them capable with '94-'97 1.8s.

I'm not bitter btw, it's a smart business move, us 1.6 guys have Abe.

Completely agree. 1.6 hardcore track junkies are few and far between.

I can't wait to see these things :party:

It will never happen. If you are spending $6,000 on a turbo kit, we recommend spending the extra $800 on a healthy low-miles 1.8 liter motor.

Ouch! That's an expensive kit then!

It's not as cheap as $800 but I see where you are going.

Equally, if I was spending nearly $7000 on top of my existing NA6 then perhaps I should sell it and put all that money towards a later model turbo and upgrade it... Or even consider a whole range of alternate options.

G

the lack of a 1.6L kit makes it more legit.

I would have said the same thing 3 years ago but after building a kit from scratch that is safe to put down the kind of power we're talking its not a bad deal at all. (especially considering that 1400 of it is going into the turbo..) i'm at almost double that price currently.

Once you "option out" an FM2 kit to include all of the things the TSE kit will have as standard, the cost difference will be negligible.

Yeah I noticed this is where the price increases for the base kit as well. They atleast recommend the studs, hard lines, and stage 8 locking for a budget build.

If the kit is that top end, then a 2nd hand 1.8 isnt the right option either, a rebuilt 1.6 or 1.8 with stronger internals is.

Hey, if you're happy to disregard a global market of 1.6 customers (cause outside the USA the 1.6 was sold for longer periods) and content with the volume of sales you'll get in the local domestic market then all is good. Happy to move on.

G

And then the minuscule savings of keeping the 1.6 is even smaller. You keep the crank and the block, that's it.

For sentimental value, sure, for cost, nah.

I could understand it if you were after the smaller displacement for classing reasons. Or if you want to play with a "1.6 VVT"...

is there a 1.6L vvt? 1.6L is weaksauce, no one who's anyone drives one.

Recognizing the inherent sarcasm here, I just realized that rouhgly half of the Admin / Supermod crew are rocking 1.6 engines, which is statistically improbable given the known distribution of Miata engines.

What does this say about us as a group?

Sortof
B6 + ZM-VE

Gslender, 1.8s in perfectly good condition ARE 800 or less. Even in australia.

Dann

You all are cheap?

Pretty much

I prefer to think of it as "we're not paid enough".

Y8s apparently really knows how to please Rick.

You sure do whine a bit.


The 1.6 was sold but the 1.8 is the superior engine. Should I make a turbo for the v6 GM cars or the LSX cars. Simple choice unless you are forced by engine classing.

And I loved my 92 1.6 miata.

I love my 1.6l miata considering I've done every mod to make it on par with a base 94...now todo something with all that loss of torque and spool and inferior boner ppower.

At the end of the day, the 1.6 is an inferior motor. It doesn't have the displacement or the port flow of the later 1.8s, and if you are talking about spending a bunch of money on a world-class turbo setup, we don't see a reason to put it on an inferior motor. In general, we don't work with 1.6 motors - the swap is not difficult at all and the benefits are significant.

Put a check for $60k in my hands and I will build 10 1.6 kits. Until then, let's keep this thread on topic. Thanks.

Yes, I was thinking along those lines.

Actually, saying "you are all cheap" is rather more polite than what I had in mind.


No question about it, and I would not seriously expect a company working on a turbo system of the caliber which you have in mind to pay the 1.6 engine much thought.

To be honest, I'm a little bit surprised that the 1.6 still receives the attention that it does from folks like Bell and FM, given the age of these motors, the relatively small number of them which were produced in the first place, the even smaller number of them which are still on the road, and the fact that the cars in which they are fitted are probably most likely to be owned by the biggest cheapskates within the community (eg: those least likely to spend $5000 turbocharging a $1,000 car.)

no replacement for displacement. /discussion

Roughly 100% of the Admin / Supermod 1.6 crew will not buy a trackspeed setup.

... and 6 out of 7 dwarves aren't Happy!

Well i'd love one of these in my nb instead of a 5.0 from a mustang any day...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ing_engine.jpg

looks like a simple/straightforward swap.

do it :D

I would love to see the crank/cam wheel setup on that engine.

Andrew would prefer we stay on topic.

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...1&d=1337776955

:bowrofl:
This thread has finally reached greatness.

OH SHI..! Oh no he di'nt!

Epic!

Turbo no hit block?

That must be the "hardware only" kit without the AEM:D

How...the hell do the intercooler pipes fit? Intercooler with the necks on the bottom?

Are you going to sell an intake too?

Why was there no mention of JDM gauges before?

For the uninitiated, that is not a picture of our turbo kit. ;)

Don't lie.

It's a picture of the 1.6 kit ! Wahoo !!

Exhaust
 

Savington,

How much of the exhaust will be supplied with the kit? Just the downpipe? If so, am I correct in assuming it will mate with aftermarket parts from other vendors, such as FM? I'd like to go with a 3-inch diameter all the way back.

True full 3" downpipe will be supplied, but not the rest of the exhaust. We do plan on having an exhaust option in the future, may be available as soon as the kit is ready.

crashnscar, thanks for the reply.

Second, unrelated, question: I've noticed you don't offer any NC parts, and I assume you don't race the NCs. Do you have any plans to start running NCs or to develop an EFR turbo kit for the NCs?

Not in the immediate future, no.