I sold my MSM over a year ago because I was tired of waiting, so I definitely don't need one lol.

Good, now you can buy a lighter, simpler NA8 for the kit :party:

With how forward you have the turbo is it AC/PS compatible? Will you be offering just the manifold and downpipe? In the past you have said it would most likely be an all or nothing deal. I will probably be in for a manifold/turbo/downpipe setup. Need to get a 6258 to test against all my other turbos.

looks like it will have the turbo pretty high up. cast stainless is baller.

Will this work on my ND Club?

Yes, it will be A/C and P/S compatible. I will offer manifolds and downpipes separately, but the manifold/turbo/DP combo will be priced such that you'll always spend more money buying the turbo elsewhere.

e: Pic of turbo location in the engine bay so you guys can get an idea of how it will sit.

Attachment 237792

8mm studs?

Yes, bespoke 8mm Inconel.

Do you sell the adapter to make the EFR turbo bolt to the stock cross over pipe, or should I contact JimB?

Inconel zip-ties.

--Ian

:laugh:

I want to point out, it is THIS kind of feature that you only get when a part is designed properly from start to finish. One of my biggest complaints my previous turbo set up was you could never service the damn thing without special tools (i.e. a few wrenches that were hacked up).

I have been lurking for a while on the forum but wanted to add that I am definitely in on this setup. Building a bottom end ATM and most likely the timing will be right. Great job guys !

Harry

:giggle:

Sounds good :)

IMO one of the coolest things about this setup will be its ability to easily scale from low to high power levels. The physical footprint between the 6258, 6758, and 7163 is identical - that is to say, the turbochargers look identical from the outside. The only difference is the wheel sizing inside the housings.

As a result, you can start off with a 6258 and a low-boost cannister on a stock engine and make 200whp at the blink of an eye. Then, upgrade the bottom end and ramp the boost to ~325whp on the same turbo with the appropriate supporting mods (IM, full exhaust, etc). Then, without changing anything except for the turbocharger (same IC, same downpipe, same manifold), you can drop a 6758 into the car and make 375-400whp on pump gas (or a 7163 and make Too Much Power). No need to buy a separate downpipe or a new EWG or anything else - just swap the turbo and retune for more power.

What do you think you could theoretically make with a 7163 on e85? Could an eBay rod, and forged piston build handle it or would you need more and better stuff at that power level.

I really see the easy upgrade path as a benefit for TSE as well as for resale for customers. TSE has to build one Mani and one DP to provide turbo kits from 200 - 500 HP.

For the customer, they can part out their Mani and DP down the road and it'll work for a greater variety of builds.

But of course the easy upgrade path is a huge benefit too.

Really excited to see this happening. Curious about GB pricing but would be hard to rationalize upgrading from my current setup.

Not the same car, so this is for entertainment purposes only, but here are a few ALLOFIT plots.

http://oi61.tinypic.com/6glrau.jpg
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1431290393
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1431290393


Good luck controlling that buwahahaha

Honestly, who knows? That's a 525whp turbo IMO. I'd love to see someone try it at 30psi on e85 but I think most people will be happier with the 6758.

How much would you? :idea: Willing test subject right here! :giggle:

http://hydra-mirror.aubri.lgs-net.co...WRT/installer/
Thanks for the visual, I was wondering how far forward the turbo would need to sit but will it accomodate P/S?
With the P/S removed, will it be possible to clock the outlet down to allow it to be routed underneath rather than over the top and down to the intercooler?

- might want to consider including a Suzuki Cappucino washer bottle option in the kit too

If I'm ever bored with my car and have extra $$$ laying around, I'll definitely try a 7163.

???????

Do not assume anything about the kit beyond the physical location of the turbocharger from that photograph, please. You assumed the kit is not P/S compatible (it is), and then you assumed that the P/S has to be removed to clock the outlet down (it doesn't have to be removed). Interpret that photo as a general idea of where the turbo sits in the engine bay and nothing more. :)

The Cappuccino bottle is absurdly overpriced, so we won't use it. Details like that will be hashed out after the manifold/downpipes are available.

Lokiel, the vast majority of USDM NB chassis have the washer bottle on the right side (unless you have ABS) so its not really a concern for most of us in the US. Your RHD Aussie NB is kind of a special case in this regard. You probably have better (read: cheaper) access to the cappuccino bottles than we do anyway.

Agreed, unfortunately everything we import is absurdly overpriced here in Oz so it's less of an issue here (you guys in the US really don't appreciate how good you've got it) - I have one and it genuinely looks like it was made to fit the NA/NB; only NA/NB owners would recognise it's not an OEM component.

So the hood won't need relief holes cut in it for the new location of the washer bottle on ABS cars? :rofl:

Put me down for the group buy.

me toooooo

I think there are a lot of us that would like to get in on this.

In for group buy as well.

I feel like having a positive "props" count and at least 1,000 posts should be a requirement to get in on the group buy :rofl:

Can we pay with props?

so do I get 27 manifolds?

That would be stupid

You're right, it should be either/ or. Oh shit...

And now you have negative props.....you walked right into that one.

I mean if you had cash, I don't think Savington would say no.

I really like that there are more options for EFR now. You should consider a TS manifold since nobody else is making them. I'd do so many things for a TS 7163 and manifold. Sadly nobody local does much shop work anymore for manifolds.

Competing against other grown men for props and number of post isn't what brought me to the forum or this particular posting, I just want to buy to the product when it's available

Grown men? Good joke. There is no competition for props. Props are awarded when you contribute in a good way to the community. When you detract from the community props are subtracted. Never once have I asked for props.

Can I have props?

Rest assured that I'm not egotistical or stupid enough to restrict my product offerings based on the props system on an internet forum. You and anyone else who wants one will be able to purchase one.

Buy 2 and I'll send you one back with a TS manifold :)

Rest assured that if you ask for props, you will surely be dealt negative props. (though this time I did not contribute).

anyhow, still really excited for this. We don't have group buy pricing that I simply missed, right?

Sorry that my opinion and disagreement with what someone else said lead you to believe that I detracted from the community I'll be sure not to do that anymore, and no one ever accused you of asking for props I was just making a statement that I though it was dumb that someone would suggest only opening a group buy to people based on props and number of post, because I have a low number of post and now negative props, but doesn't mean I shouldn't be able to buy something I'm interested in and willing to spend the money on

do you guys know what a joke is?
my goodness, relax.

Oops, that came off a lot more serious that I meant it too. Rarely am I actually serious online.

Now that we've all touched cocks and bonded over it, can the discussion get back on topic?

Yes, I have an actual question. In the past we've seen blown stock blocks with just wastegate efr pressure. Thoughts on this? Was it had tuning? Do you expect to easily stay under stock rod limits with this kit or is it assumed it will be going on a built motor.

A twin-scroll EFR manifold isn't on the horizon for us. The investment required to make a cast manifold feasible requires broad market appeal, and I've yet to see even a single 7163-powered Miata.

Nothing firm, but the ballpark is $500ish. (e: for the manifold only)

I'm developing the full kit (oil/water lines, IC kit, etc) on a stock-motor NB2. I'll probably start at 8psi just to get an idea of the minimum limits of the turbo, and I'm not expecting to frag the stock shortblock at 8psi with a conservative timing map.

500 for manifold? Or mani+dp?

Manifold only. The downpipe will add a few hundred dollars to that, but final pricing isn't firm on that yet.

Thank you 18, im glad someone got it.

Seriously, what is wrong with you people :facepalm:
Only if you post more pics.

...of the manifolds, just so we are clear here. I don't need another inbox full of wiener pics.

Pricing seems completely fair for manifold only.
In for baller status.

So you remember that really sad dyno I posted of like 250hp on a low reading dynapack with the 6758? It turns out not only was that just straight 7psi wastegate can, I had literally zero preload on it, which resulted in 12psi at peak power. And I found that said can and preload with the boost reference disconnected (severed, oops) it just blows the wastegate open with exhaust pressure and makes 13.5psi which is ~260 on a mustang dyno. Moral of the story, good luck keeping it to like 8psi to not blow up a stock block. Might be a slight bit easier with the 6258.

Hence my question.

210wtq, 11.5psi:

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1409184207

Lol, low boost, high boost, oops.

The way you kept the plots lined up until target boost is gorgeous. Nice work from a very capable turbo.

That's not my car or my setup, it's HHammerly's car/setup. It's just an example of an EFR making stable boost and <220wtq.

Isnt Hammerly the guy that blew up his stock engine with that low boost tune?

No, he isn't. Please stop stating your misconceptions as fact in this thread. It's very confusing.

He bought a car with a blown motor and rebuilt it. His build thread is here: https://www.miataturbo.net/build-thr...t-build-77297/