Now you really do sound like the Duke Nukem dev team. :bowrofl:

Don't let these gays get to you. Putting together a turbo setup for mass production from the ground up is no easy task.

Big props for not putting out a half-designed product just to meat a deadline only to have to fix and "revise" crap many times over in the time to come. Some companies love to do that these days. I won't mention names haha.

And as always, LMK if you need a street car guinea pig:giggle:

This should be my standard answer on the Enhanced MS3 thread.

:dealwithit:

The downside to that logic is getting beat to the punch by someone else.

I dont think anyone is going to beat trackspeed to the punch on this. FM has already said they are sticking with Garrett turbos only, and I don't think BEGI has the correct target audience. I dont expect anyone else to have the resources to "mass produce" one. This turbo is a bitch to package. At least TSE isnt trying to do a low mount setup, I have a manifold I can easily replicate for that, but the amount of labor makes it expensive, AND it requires super stiff engine mounts because its so close to everything, I swear its within an inch of hitting the glove box. The compressor is inconveniently large in diameter, and the waste gate actuator is also in an inconveniently place. That said, a side mount log mani for this thing would be a piece of cake you'd just have to worry about compressor to manifold clearance. Top mount wouldn't be bad either except for the tight 90 you need for the down pipe.

TLDR, the turbo looks small till its in the engine bay, the engine bay looks huge till theres an efr in it.

That was a general statement.

When I dream, it's of a tubular twinscroll manifold and 6758.

You know, you could just offer the turbo, manifold and downpipe pieces to start with. ;)

I am just busting your balls, I'd buy you a beer if I was in CA.

Whats the point of a twinscroll manifold when they dont appear to sell the turbo with the twin scroll housing? And if BW comes out with the housing later on it will use a T4 flange rather than the t2 flange that comes normally.

Leafy, Any chance you still have PS?

Car never has PS to begin with. Was never even a consideration. The car will have some sort of PS next season, an a miata PS pump was never even considered.

I was operating under the assumption that at some point they were going to make a 6758 TS housing, but that the 6258 wasn't getting one. That's what I heard last time I checked up on it anyway..

The exhaust side of the turbo is exactly the same so you could easily put the TS housing on a 6258 if they made one for the 6758.

From what I've been told, the 7064/7163 will be getting twinscroll housings, but not the 6258/6758. There's also a rumor of them releasing a smaller A/R than the current IWG 0.92a/r (something in the 0.8a/r range) which would be perfect for the Miata, but we aren't planning anything around that particular turbo until it's actually available.

:makeout:

Can I throw money at you yet for these turbo toys?

any new info?
 

when will this product be available?

Still in progress, no ETA.

I hope you get stabbed for bumping this thread. Getting everyone's hopes up for nothing.

+1

WTF?!?!? i was all excited and Shiz....

I've warned two already. Next time it's a full on infraction. Please noobs, wait for TSE to post viable information, which i'm sure they'll do as soon as there's something to post about.

We should daily bump this thread.

waiting for "Incostainlessalumitanium-35N" to be developed for manifolds

The best stance to take is to pretend nothing is ever going to happen, that way when (if) they release a kit, you aren't disappointed because of the wait.

I think Andrew bit off wayyyyy more than he can chew.
But definitely hope this actually see's the light of day some day, and he succeeds in this after making some seriously hefty claims against fm/begi. He's young and very ambitious, you live and you learn.

It happens. I think they're in a spot right now where they have more business than the current employees can handle but cant quite justify paying another worker. Or at least thats the vibe I get. Because they do do more than just sell parts, I believe they have a couple of rental cars, etc. When it takes 9 months for a shop to build an engine it makes sense that its going to take them a long time to design a turbo setup to be a bolt in affair.

Not sure if that is the case but I can say from experience when you hire your first employee you are doubling your staff. When you hire your second employee you are adding 50% and so on. The first few hires are by far the hardest and where most small businesses get mired unless you are hiring low-skill or wage labor. Assuming you don't have crazy financing or a runaway success initially anyway. Health insurance, 401k, proper business insurance, etc etc are growing pains that tend to crop up when you hit certain numeric thresholds as well.

That said, I don't think it's unreasonable to check back on a 2-3 month interval after the promise date and during race season. I am definitely interested in the project as well.

I'd say I bit off more than I could chew in 2007 when I turbocharged a Miata using OTS parts while expecting it to be reliable on track. ;)

The hold-up is manifolds. I have a pair of bitchin' tubular prototypes on my R&D shelf, but nobody wants to pay $1200 for a Miata manifold, as it turns out. It also turns out that although the investment-cast version of that manifold will be much, much cheaper, they don't just appear out of nowhere. It takes time - quite a bit of time, as it turns out.

So that's where we are - waiting for manifolds. Once I get my working proto I'll post some photos and continue work on the rest of the kit, but until it arrives my focus is elsewhere. This isn't the only new product I'm developing. :)

Every small business like Trackspeed is at the mercy of suppliers. Giant billion dollar internationals are too in some respects but the have the reach and finances to make supply glitches go away. I'm patient and maybe one day one of the prototypes will fall off the shelf and into a box of misc parts I order from time to time. :party: :giggle:

^ Curly's gon ban youuuuuu!

Mod's cannot ban Braineack. I have tried many times.

Actually, you're the only one of the three who has bumped the thread that I can ban or warn...

I vote yes. :fawk:

I only came here to see who was in trouble. It was already at the top when I got here! I swear! :ugh:

...

I would give you an infraction if I didn't find it so amusing.

I think this thread proves that tracking a reliable turbo miata is simply impossible, should just lock the thread.

I think it proves that company's formed around a private racing program would rather go racing than develope parts.

I feel their pain :vash:

How, pray tell, do you expect us to develop parts for race cars without racing? :fael:

quit taunting us with your avatar! :vash:

I was going to offer to PayPal $100 to the moderator who will temp-ban the authors of posts 277 through 293, but...

A) No one took me up on my earlier bribe offers.
B) I have been convinced that NA is best!

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1381275177

No offers received. Now I'm offering temp ban for you unless one bottle of reasonably priced booze makes its way to me soon. Nobody puts baby in a corner.

I've been offering to bribe moderators since before you were a moderator.
/hipstered :dealwithit:

Example.

Touche'.



Thread needs more turbo kits for sale.

I think Andrew will be much less confident in criticizing Begi and FM about their old school design and inferior log manifolds going forward. Its probably not anywhere near as easy as it seemed to put together a whole kit that not only outperforms, but also outlasts the competition on track all the while not costing absurd amounts of money, while still making at least some kind of profit margin.

I just hope that this setback/delay isn't forever.

I lol'd IRL @ thread title change :rofl:

I've been faxing you all morning why aren't you responding this is important!!!

:brain:

FI is so 2011

I don't really feel that's a valid criticism. It probably costs a significant amount of money to get a new manifold mold made and a significant number will need to be sold to recoup the investment.

Pretty sure it wasn't actually criticism, more just stating the obvious. I dunno. I dont directly read it as criticism.

needs more CARB EO#

sounds like a personal problem.

Its state wide actually.

Who knew it was that govt shutdown that was preventing TSE turbos from shipping?!!?!

--Ian

Honest question:

Think this will have movement by spring??

That depends, what spring are we talking about? spring 2014? spring 2015?