The Miata Bushing MEGAthread: Heirarchy, DIY delrin dimensions, info and discussion
Are there any better OTS solutions for sway bars? Any plans for a SadFAB option? My front RB bar using the ES lube & poly bushings it came with is pretty damn hard to move at all with both ends disconnected.
Does a delrin sandwich madjak posted above improve things over poly noticibly? (I'm not sure if the friction coefficient between a painted bar & delrin bushing is going to be as good as bare steel on delrin - although it's prob better than poly/paint).
Does a delrin sandwich madjak posted above improve things over poly noticibly? (I'm not sure if the friction coefficient between a painted bar & delrin bushing is going to be as good as bare steel on delrin - although it's prob better than poly/paint).
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I like the delrin sandwich idea. We have tossed around delrin swaybar bushings, and its on a napkin somewhere. But don't expect or plan on anything from us in the near future.
Are there any better OTS solutions for sway bars? Any plans for a SadFAB option? My front RB bar using the ES lube & poly bushings it came with is pretty damn hard to move at all with both ends disconnected.
Does a delrin sandwich madjak posted above improve things over poly noticibly? (I'm not sure if the friction coefficient between a painted bar & delrin bushing is going to be as good as bare steel on delrin - although it's prob better than poly/paint).
Does a delrin sandwich madjak posted above improve things over poly noticibly? (I'm not sure if the friction coefficient between a painted bar & delrin bushing is going to be as good as bare steel on delrin - although it's prob better than poly/paint).
Looks like you can get pillow block bearings like this in the right sizes for our sway bars, very expensive though:
Yeah I shimmed the bolts/bracket with washers to make sure it wasn't too squished which did help, it still takes a disturbing amount of force to make it move.
Something like this looks good if it came in the right size (can only find 1" and 1.25" ID, not 1.125"):

Looks like they have bronze & PFTE type ones: PB4-1250-B - Pillow Block, Self Aligning, SAE 840 Bronze Bearing Spyraflo
Something like this looks good if it came in the right size (can only find 1" and 1.25" ID, not 1.125"):

Looks like they have bronze & PFTE type ones: PB4-1250-B - Pillow Block, Self Aligning, SAE 840 Bronze Bearing Spyraflo
The split delrin block works well for something so simple. The paint has worn a little where it rubs on the delrin. Between the rodend end links and solid mounts on the sway I get a lot of clunks and creaks in the back.
I'll do a similar mod on the front.
I'll do a similar mod on the front.
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Try getting that on a sway bar without going way oversized and using a split bushing. You can find roller bearing pillow blocks for about $30 if you know where to look.
I have a few ideas for sway bushings, we're just too busy with regular bushings and other projects right now.
I have a few ideas for sway bushings, we're just too busy with regular bushings and other projects right now.
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Im not sure I understand. The reduced friction in the poly bushings are a result of the bronze bearings. So any poly bushing with the bronze bearings will have similar levels of freedom.
That is what I was getting at. The secret sauce is your bronze bearings, the choice of material is how much stiffness you can bear.
What I don't get it why you guys are the only ones doing this. It is a very known issue that poly bushings like to bind and have lots of friction. You and bbundy's similar solutions are what make mt.net such a cool place.
Is the process as simple as measuring bearings to put in any bushing? So you could theoretically make them for any car?
What I don't get it why you guys are the only ones doing this. It is a very known issue that poly bushings like to bind and have lots of friction. You and bbundy's similar solutions are what make mt.net such a cool place.
Is the process as simple as measuring bearings to put in any bushing? So you could theoretically make them for any car?
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Its actually even more simple than that. ES all pretty much use standard bushing and sleeve sizes. So you just need a catalog of sleeves and bearings that fit their bushings. We are working on a set for a 240sx, but may be expanding in the future.
Well hot damn, I have an ND that I keep on waffling between selling or keeping and ES has already released a bushing kit for it... The stock car is appalling soft. What information would you need to start on a kit like that?






