ThePass

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Awesome, cooler brakes FTW, thanks for the pics. The 3" looks almost comical next to the little 1.6 brakes, but they should give them the best shot at surviving with the new-found power.

What hose did you go with/what source?

-Ryan

curly

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Came out of a wreaked E.....92? Martin can answer that question better.

But free and his work is the short answer.

The 3" has only roughly half the pipe portion pointing at the rotor.

greddygalant

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Came out of a wrecked E36 PTG widebody race car, I needed so little hose that I just grabbed some from the wreck and it worked perfectly.

As far as upgrading the brakes, I plan to at the very least go to a 1.8 non sport front rotor and more than likely I'll run the bolt on wilwoods from FM's little big brake kit.

greddygalant

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So we hit the English Racing dyno today. First a little photo and video entertainment







And results



Red is the new msm motor with turbo setup, blue is the old NA 1.6. Numbers are uncorrected to prevent forum drama.



Mods are as follows

stock msm long block/manifold/turbo

Protuning lab 2.5 inch catless downpipe

OEM MSM catback with muffler delete

OEM Evo 8 intercooler, piping, and BOV

MBC set at 12psi

Gen 1 PNP with curly tune



Needless to say I'm quite pleased with the results, I hope to do rods in the future and shoot for 250whp with a better exhaust and perhaps 2 more psi.

18psi

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Very cool. The difference between old/new is hilarious lol

I will be shocked if you actually hit 250whp on the stock msm hotside bits, but who knows. Either way, that there is very healthy for what you're working with. I love that you guys actually pushed the midrange, that's the 1st time I see it spike up that much in teh midrange

I'm curious to see the spark map......

curly

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Spark map is pathetic.

There's SO much more left, but our first run was basically what Martin posted. We took 2 degrees out in the 2900-4600 range to try and kill the torque spike, looks like we could do another 2 degrees in the 4000-4600 range to keep it below 225ft/lbs for the transmission. But the setup is begging for 3" exhaust, more spark, and more boost.

Monk

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Holy peak torque Batman! It looks like it's right where you need it too. That is awesome.

18psi

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wow that is very interesting curly.
you're not kidding about that spark map. its running almost nothing in the midrange

I'm even more impressed now

greddygalant

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Get me a set of rods and I'll push this ****** well past 250wtq

curly

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Easily.

That's the bone stock base map from back when the original mspnp9093 came out, with timing pulled OUT in the midrange.

greddygalant

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Yeah, although part of me wants to keep it where it is and potentially have a chance of not bricking 5 speeds every other track day.

curly

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Nonsense. We love transmission swaps on our backs.

Doppelgänger

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Just a heads-up: be careful on what you do with the exhaust. The design on the manifold/turbo combined with a open exhaust makes for a sharp tone that has the perfect frequency (combined with heat) to cause manifold nuts to come loose and kill exhaust gaskets. I speak from experience.

soviet

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What is this, an ignition map for ants?

curly

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Even the ignition map for ants didn't save the transmission at the track today. Sounds like a dead TO bearing in all gears, but silent in neutral. Local 6-speed transmission hoarder Mobius has offered one of his 3 for Laz. I think in the end a MSM box will end up in his car, and his current '01 tranny is going in mine?

Mobius, I'm thinking we do all 3 of these swaps at your house, in one day.

Mobius

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Umm, yes. That was exactly what was discussed today, including the part about you getting one of my transmissions that I had forgotten.

Oddly enough, I have also forgotten you offering to blow me for my six speed plus miata roadster short shifter, tall angled handle.

Amazing what the mind can forget!

greddygalant

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Agreed, car was great, ran a new personal best of 1:26.3 around Portland, clicked over 235k miles in the odo, and I had to gingerly rev match all the way home with a trans that was making wonderful noises. Time for a 6spd.

More positives:
Cooling was much improved with the new ducting Mobius helped me install and my transmission failure occured with a rather nicely proportioned redhead riding shotgun so we got to spend some more time together on the ride back into the paddock. All in all a solid day.

And the baby 1.6 brakes once again held up to a beating.

Mobius

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I have three transmissions.

1) known-good (but a bit notchy), in my car, using it now, OEM to my car 01 w/narrow-ball shifter.
2) shifted-good-when-parked MSM trans from locally parted out MSM.
3) shifted-good-when-parked MSM trans from elsewhere, that shifted-not-so-good when swapped into my car (5th grinding and/or unavailable). Proper diagnosis of that trans has yet to occur. 1-4 and 6 were fine.

We will get something worked out to get Laz back on the road and for Martin to owe me eternal favors. Well, more eternally than he does now

greddygalant

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Babysitting?????

Mobius

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Think twice before offering me that - I will abuse you like the pedophile piano teacher you never had ...