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Old 11-18-2013, 10:51 AM
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Both Main and Rod bearings were ACL STD HX series
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Old 11-18-2013, 11:17 AM
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Ah man that sucks... I don't understand exactly what went wrong but I feel for ya. Perhaps others can chime in on what might have caused that relief to sieze.
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First go around with me on my built motor was oil starvation. I had billet gears, but they were not large enough to supply a VVT head. I then coughed up the $$ for a properly sized boundry engineering pump and have been ok since.

Sorry to hear about your problems. I know exactly how you feel.
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Originally Posted by 05pearl View Post
First go around with me on my built motor was oil starvation. I had billet gears, but they were not large enough to supply a VVT head. I then coughed up the $$ for a properly sized boundry engineering pump and have been ok since.

Sorry to hear about your problems. I know exactly how you feel.
Yeah, what sucks is I forked out the $$ for the whole pump... :(


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Ouch.
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Didn't blow up from EFR awesomeness?!
I'm sorry :( I think I jinxed you.
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I'm sorry :( I think I jinxed you.
Noted... I think you just made my list... Haha just kidding

I must have pissed someone off though... Or broke a mirror I don't remember breaking, my luck has just sucked!
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Now I'm scared to build my motor... Everyone I know lately with built motors has had failures similar to this.

My condolences go out to you and your family...
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Holy crap, I have the same pump, but might remove a shim. I'm really sorry to hear. Is it that much a tossup, whether or not relief valves are prone to becoming stuck, even if the pump is brand new?
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Damn...
Frank, sorry to hear about your misfortune. Every time I read about motor build issues such as yours and Shiend's, I feel like I just got lucky with mine.
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Damn there has been too much of that going on lately. Sorry to hear that man. You have some pretty mad skills, so I have a feeling you will get it right. Hang in there.
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Luckily I'm one of the engine builds that survived.
Not that I don't have problems ( electrical )
So the plan is to rebuild it? or have you gotten so discouraged with it you give up?

I was telling my boosted s2k buddy about your loss because his motor spun a bearing at ~500mi too because an oil squirter broke off and blah blah.
I know it sucks man.
If there's anything we can do..
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My relief seized in the open position and did not allow oil pressure to build. The debris that caused it ti stay open was little bits of plastic from the melted dipstick handle being too close to the hot exhaust.

I don't understand how you had a failure of the engine with the valve stuck closed. It would make very high oil pressure unless you misspoke.
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Old 11-19-2013, 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by sixshooter View Post
My relief seized in the open position and did not allow oil pressure to build. The debris that caused it ti stay open was little bits of plastic from the melted dipstick handle being too close to the hot exhaust.

I don't understand how you had a failure of the engine with the valve stuck closed. It would make very high oil pressure unless you misspoke.
When I tore the oil pump apart and tried to remove the relief valve, it was seized in the closed position and took a few blows with a small hammer and a long skinny punch to free. I know my symtoms would be better explained if it were seized in the open position but that was not the case at least when it was torn apart. Is it possible that it could have seized in the open position at one point in time and then free'd itself when the housing got warm and expanded and then reseized in the closed position?

The relief valve sticking doesn't explain the pump gears rubbing on the housing though. The scores aren't from debris but they look to have been caused by a constant contact between the two. Clearance issue perhaps? I sent the pump back to Travis at BE to take a look.

The motor is back at the machine shop for rework.

All I know is I won't be trailering the miata down to Clearwater when I head down there next week... :(
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Currently trying to figure out if I should just remove the factory oil cooler on the block( as it no doubt is ruined) and shorten the threaded rod for the filter relaxation adapter or remove the factory oil cooler and buy/install a spacer/sandwich plate with a few ports for aftermarket oil tamp/ oil pressure sensors.

On the bright side my new mocal 16 row oil cooler to replace my existing(566mile old..) 13 row cooler showed up yesturday!
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Why the change from 13 to 16? I've been looking to buy a 13.

Sorry to hear about the engine, that's absolutely painful. Sorry for your loss

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Damn there has been too much of that going on lately.
+1, what the hell is up with this?
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Originally Posted by EO2K View Post
Why the change from 13 to 16? I've been looking to buy a 13.
No real reason, I had the room for a 16 row and since I had to get a new cooler anyway I decidesf to go with the 16 this time.
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Okay its been a while since I have posted any updates and . I got the car back on Dec 31, 2013 and have put just over 1,000 miles on it so far and it has been running great with one exception. shortly after getting the car back I saw that there was a small oil leak that looked like it was coming from the front main seal. Due to inpatients I stupidly decided to order a seal from Advanced Auto Parts. I tore the front of the engine down and found the the front main seal looked to be tapped in a little crooked. Not thinking much else of it I went to install the new seal and it just fell in.. the outside diameter was too small to seal. I was able to get it back out and return it to the store. of course now I have no seal. I called up O'Reilly's and they said they had one in stock so I rushed over there and picked it up and the outside diameter looked to match the OEM one great. I install it using FM's Big Nose Crank Seal Install Tool. What I didn't realize at the time is that the inside diameter was a hair too big and after installing it my leak was a little worse then with the crooked OEM seal.. At that point I decided to order an OEM seal and when it came in I installed it along with swapping my timing belt over to a Gates Racing belt. Well my seal is still leaking, not nearly as bad as with the aftermarket seal but still leaking. I didn't notice any a burrs or nicks on the pump housing or crankshaft but when the timing assembly is torn apart you can clearly see that the leak is coming from the front main seal area. Short of ripping the engine apart and or getting a new oil pump I am stumped. Any ideas?

On a softer note, since I never use the soft top I decided to remove it and clean up the inside a little bit.





I also broke down and decided to do a foamectomy on my drivers seat. I was a bit skeptical at first since I have the leather seats and I have heard some negative results as far as the leather not stretching when the foam is removed. I'm happy to say that the seat feels a hundred times better after the foamectomy. I removed about 2.5" from the bottom of the seat and then the top portion of the center panel in the seat back. I left the bottom portion of the center panel on the seat back for some lumber support.




Today I started the install of my fog light brake ducts. I ordered two 4" duct flanges from aircraftspruse.com. Instead of using a 3"-2" silicone reducer to connect the duct flange to a separate 2" aluminum pipe so that I could the 2" silicone hose that runs to the TSE brake ducts I ordered two aluminum 3"-2" reducers from ebay and welded them to the flanges. this way I can directly connect the 2" silicone hose to the now all-in-one flange/reducer.









The TSE brake duct install went really smooth. While I was there I decided to start swapping out the stock wheel studs for the ARP extended studs. I didn't use a hammer or a press. I bought a ball joint removal tool from harbor freight and used that to remove and install the new studs and it worked great. It took about an hour per side to install the studs and TSE ducts.

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Looking good.
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Brilliant! I need to do that with my brake ducts. Did those just ...friction fit into the fog light openings? I need to steal this. I seem to remember someone recommending something like 1/4" or 1/8" mesh over the ducts to keep out the rocks but admittedly I've been drinking this evening.

Mad props for updates and foamectomy pics. I have a feeling this will be in my future. No idea on the leak though :(
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