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01-24-2021, 09:29 AM
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When they let you cheat to win, might as well make it legal.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-...%5D%7D&r=1&s=1
1) Internet-only registration with electronic signature submission.
“(a) Requiring Availability Of Internet For Online Registration.—Each State, acting through the chief State election official, shall ensure that the following services are available to the public at any time on the official public websites of the appropriate State and local election officials in the State, in the same manner and subject to the same terms and conditions as the services provided by voter registration agencies under section 7(a):
“(1) Online application for voter registration.
2) Banning the requirement to provide a full SSN for voter registration.
SEC. 1005. PROHIBITING STATE FROM REQUIRING APPLICANTS TO PROVIDE MORE THAN LAST 4 DIGITS OF SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER. (a) Form Included With Application For Motor Vehicle Driver’s License.—Section 5(c)(2)(B)(ii) of the National Voter Registration Act of 1993 (52 U.S.C. 20504(c)(2)(B)(ii)) is amended by striking the semicolon at the end and inserting the following: “, and to the extent that the application requires the applicant to provide a Social Security number, may not require the applicant to provide more than the last 4 digits of such number;”.
3) Nationwide 'Motor Voter' registration.
Note that motor voter registration is how thousands of illegal became registered voters in California and Nevada.
(2) DEFINITION.—The term “automatic registration” means a system that registers an individual to vote in elections for Federal office in a State, if eligible, by electronically transferring the information necessary for registration from government agencies to election officials of the State so that, unless the individual affirmatively declines to be registered, the individual will be registered to vote in such elections.
4) 16 year olds required to be registered to vote.
(d) Treatment Of Individuals Under 18 Years Of Age.—A State may not refuse to treat an individual as an eligible individual for purposes of this part on the grounds that the individual is less than 18 years of age at the time a contributing agency receives information with respect to the individual, so long as the individual is at least 16 years of age at such time. Nothing in the previous sentence may be construed to require a State to permit an individual who is under 18 years of age at the time of an election for Federal office to vote in the election.
5) Nationwide same-day registration.
“(1) REGISTRATION.—Each State shall permit any eligible individual on the day of a Federal election and on any day when voting, including early voting, is permitted for a Federal election—
“(A) to register to vote in such election at the polling place using a form that meets the requirements under section 9(b) of the National Voter Registration Act of 1993 (or, if the individual is already registered to vote, to revise any of the individual’s voter registration information); and
“(B) to cast a vote in such election.
6) Grants ($25M) for using minors in election activities.
(1) IN GENERAL.—The Election Assistance Commission (hereafter in this section referred to as the “Commission”) shall make grants to eligible States to enable such States to carry out a plan to increase the involvement of individuals under 18 years of age in public election activities in the State.
7) More children voters.
“(k) Acceptance Of Applications From Individuals Under 18 Years Of Age.—
“(1) IN GENERAL.—A State may not refuse to accept or process an individual’s application to register to vote in elections for Federal office on the grounds that the individual is under 18 years of age at the time the individual submits the application, so long as the individual is at least 16 years of age at such time.
8) Prohibiting attempts to clean voter rolls of non-residents.
It's this whole section, but in particular, this part below basically says nobody is allowed to request voter rolls to be cleaned up. ie: making it illegal to do what Tom Fitton was doing.
“(1) REQUIREMENTS FOR CHALLENGES.—No person, other than a State or local election official, shall submit a formal challenge to an individual’s eligibility to register to vote in an election for Federal office or to vote in an election for Federal office unless that challenge is supported by personal knowledge regarding the grounds for ineligibility which is—
9) Murderers and rapists can vote.
(1) NOTIFICATION.—On the date determined under paragraph (2), each State shall notify in writing any individual who has been convicted of a criminal offense under the law of that State that such individual has the right to vote in an election for Federal office pursuant to the Democracy Restoration Act of 2021 and may register to vote in any such election and provide such individual with any materials that are necessary to register to vote in any such election.
10) Mandatory early voting.
Note that I personally like early voting in Florida, but putting it here anyway.
“(1) IN GENERAL.—Each State shall allow individuals to vote in an election for Federal office during an early voting period which occurs prior to the date of the election, in the same manner as voting is allowed on such date.
“(a) Uniform Availability Of Absentee Voting To All Voters.—
“(1) IN GENERAL.—If an individual in a State is eligible to cast a vote in an election for Federal office, the State may not impose any additional conditions or requirements on the eligibility of the individual to cast the vote in such election by absentee ballot by mail.
“(2) ADMINISTRATION OF VOTING BY MAIL.—
“(A) PROHIBITING IDENTIFICATION REQUIREMENT AS CONDITION OF OBTAINING BALLOT.—A State may not require an individual to provide any form of identification as a condition of obtaining an absentee ballot, except that nothing in this paragraph may be construed to prevent a State from requiring a signature of the individual or similar affirmation as a condition of obtaining an absentee ballot.
“(B) PROHIBITING REQUIREMENT TO PROVIDE NOTARIZATION OR WITNESS SIGNATURE AS CONDITION OF OBTAINING OR CASTING BALLOT.—A State may not require notarization or witness signature or other formal authentication (other than voter attestation) as a condition of obtaining or casting an absentee ballot.
“(2) PERMITTING VOTERS TO DESIGNATE OTHER PERSON TO RETURN BALLOT.—The State—“(A) shall permit a voter to designate any person to return a voted and sealed absentee ballot to the post office, a ballot drop-off location, tribally designated building, or election office so long as the person designated to return the ballot does not receive any form of compensation based on the number of ballots that the person has returned and no individual, group, or organization provides compensation on this basis; and
“(B) may not put any limit on how many voted and sealed absentee ballots any designated person can return to the post office, a ballot drop off location, tribally designated building, or election office.
12) Banning voter ID by replacing it with 'I totes promise I'm not a degenerate rigger' note.
“(1) IN GENERAL.—Except as provided in subsection (c), if a State has in effect a requirement that an individual present identification as a condition of receiving and casting a ballot in an election for Federal office, the State shall permit the individual to meet the requirement—
“(A) in the case of an individual who desires to vote in person, by presenting the appropriate State or local election official with a sworn written statement, signed by the individual under penalty of perjury, attesting to the individual’s identity and attesting that the individual is eligible to vote in the election; or
13) Roadwork for DC statehood and territory statehood.
The whole subtitle.
Subtitle C—Findings Relating To District Of Columbia Statehood
Subtitle D—Territorial Voting Rights
Also includes, of course, 'muh ------y minorities boo hoo'.
(B) ENSURING DIVERSITY.—In appointing the 9 members pursuant to subparagraph (B) of paragraph (1), as well as in designating alternates pursuant to subparagraph (B) of paragraph (3) and in appointing alternates to fill vacancies pursuant to subparagraph (B) of paragraph (4), the first members of the independent redistricting commission shall ensure that the membership is representative of the demographic groups (including racial, ethnic, economic, and gender) and geographic regions of the State, and provides racial, ethnic, and language minorities protected under the Voting Rights Act of 1965 with a meaningful opportunity to participate in the development of the State’s redistricting plan.
I am running out of time and space, but please look at this section:
SEC. 3201. NATIONAL STRATEGY TO PROTECT UNITED STATES DEMOCRATIC INSTITUTIONS. (a) In General.—Not later than one year after the date of the enactment of this Act, the President, acting through the Secretary, in consultation with the Chairman, the Secretary of Defense, the Secretary of State, the Attorney General, the Secretary of Education, the Director of National Intelligence, the Chairman of the Federal Election Commission, and the heads of any other appropriate Federal agencies, shall issue a national strategy to protect against cyber attacks, influence operations, disinformation campaigns, and other activities that could undermine the security and integrity of United States democratic institutions.
(b) Considerations.—The national strategy required under subsection (a) shall include consideration of the following:
(1) The threat of a foreign state actor, foreign terrorist organization (as designated pursuant to section 219 of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1189)), or a domestic actor carrying out a cyber attack, influence operation, disinformation campaign, or other activity aimed at undermining the security and integrity of United States democratic institutions.
(3) Potential consequences, such as an erosion of public trust or an undermining of the rule of law, that could result from a successful cyber attack, influence operation, disinformation campaign, or other activity aimed at undermining the security and integrity of United States democratic institutions.
Literally forming a commission to effectively freeze anyone who says that the election was rigged.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-...%5D%7D&r=1&s=1
1) Internet-only registration with electronic signature submission.
“(a) Requiring Availability Of Internet For Online Registration.—Each State, acting through the chief State election official, shall ensure that the following services are available to the public at any time on the official public websites of the appropriate State and local election officials in the State, in the same manner and subject to the same terms and conditions as the services provided by voter registration agencies under section 7(a):
“(1) Online application for voter registration.
2) Banning the requirement to provide a full SSN for voter registration.
SEC. 1005. PROHIBITING STATE FROM REQUIRING APPLICANTS TO PROVIDE MORE THAN LAST 4 DIGITS OF SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER. (a) Form Included With Application For Motor Vehicle Driver’s License.—Section 5(c)(2)(B)(ii) of the National Voter Registration Act of 1993 (52 U.S.C. 20504(c)(2)(B)(ii)) is amended by striking the semicolon at the end and inserting the following: “, and to the extent that the application requires the applicant to provide a Social Security number, may not require the applicant to provide more than the last 4 digits of such number;”.
3) Nationwide 'Motor Voter' registration.
Note that motor voter registration is how thousands of illegal became registered voters in California and Nevada.
(2) DEFINITION.—The term “automatic registration” means a system that registers an individual to vote in elections for Federal office in a State, if eligible, by electronically transferring the information necessary for registration from government agencies to election officials of the State so that, unless the individual affirmatively declines to be registered, the individual will be registered to vote in such elections.
4) 16 year olds required to be registered to vote.
(d) Treatment Of Individuals Under 18 Years Of Age.—A State may not refuse to treat an individual as an eligible individual for purposes of this part on the grounds that the individual is less than 18 years of age at the time a contributing agency receives information with respect to the individual, so long as the individual is at least 16 years of age at such time. Nothing in the previous sentence may be construed to require a State to permit an individual who is under 18 years of age at the time of an election for Federal office to vote in the election.
5) Nationwide same-day registration.
“(1) REGISTRATION.—Each State shall permit any eligible individual on the day of a Federal election and on any day when voting, including early voting, is permitted for a Federal election—
“(A) to register to vote in such election at the polling place using a form that meets the requirements under section 9(b) of the National Voter Registration Act of 1993 (or, if the individual is already registered to vote, to revise any of the individual’s voter registration information); and
“(B) to cast a vote in such election.
6) Grants ($25M) for using minors in election activities.
(1) IN GENERAL.—The Election Assistance Commission (hereafter in this section referred to as the “Commission”) shall make grants to eligible States to enable such States to carry out a plan to increase the involvement of individuals under 18 years of age in public election activities in the State.
7) More children voters.
“(k) Acceptance Of Applications From Individuals Under 18 Years Of Age.—
“(1) IN GENERAL.—A State may not refuse to accept or process an individual’s application to register to vote in elections for Federal office on the grounds that the individual is under 18 years of age at the time the individual submits the application, so long as the individual is at least 16 years of age at such time.
8) Prohibiting attempts to clean voter rolls of non-residents.
It's this whole section, but in particular, this part below basically says nobody is allowed to request voter rolls to be cleaned up. ie: making it illegal to do what Tom Fitton was doing.
“(1) REQUIREMENTS FOR CHALLENGES.—No person, other than a State or local election official, shall submit a formal challenge to an individual’s eligibility to register to vote in an election for Federal office or to vote in an election for Federal office unless that challenge is supported by personal knowledge regarding the grounds for ineligibility which is—
9) Murderers and rapists can vote.
(1) NOTIFICATION.—On the date determined under paragraph (2), each State shall notify in writing any individual who has been convicted of a criminal offense under the law of that State that such individual has the right to vote in an election for Federal office pursuant to the Democracy Restoration Act of 2021 and may register to vote in any such election and provide such individual with any materials that are necessary to register to vote in any such election.
10) Mandatory early voting.
Note that I personally like early voting in Florida, but putting it here anyway.
“(1) IN GENERAL.—Each State shall allow individuals to vote in an election for Federal office during an early voting period which occurs prior to the date of the election, in the same manner as voting is allowed on such date.
11) THE BIG ONE - NATIONWIDE VOTE BY MAIL, BAN ON BALLOT PROTECTION MEASURES, LEGALIZED LIMITLESS BALLOT HARVESTING.
“SEC. 307. PROMOTING ABILITY OF VOTERS TO VOTE BY MAIL.“(a) Uniform Availability Of Absentee Voting To All Voters.—
“(1) IN GENERAL.—If an individual in a State is eligible to cast a vote in an election for Federal office, the State may not impose any additional conditions or requirements on the eligibility of the individual to cast the vote in such election by absentee ballot by mail.
“(2) ADMINISTRATION OF VOTING BY MAIL.—
“(A) PROHIBITING IDENTIFICATION REQUIREMENT AS CONDITION OF OBTAINING BALLOT.—A State may not require an individual to provide any form of identification as a condition of obtaining an absentee ballot, except that nothing in this paragraph may be construed to prevent a State from requiring a signature of the individual or similar affirmation as a condition of obtaining an absentee ballot.
“(B) PROHIBITING REQUIREMENT TO PROVIDE NOTARIZATION OR WITNESS SIGNATURE AS CONDITION OF OBTAINING OR CASTING BALLOT.—A State may not require notarization or witness signature or other formal authentication (other than voter attestation) as a condition of obtaining or casting an absentee ballot.
“(2) PERMITTING VOTERS TO DESIGNATE OTHER PERSON TO RETURN BALLOT.—The State—“(A) shall permit a voter to designate any person to return a voted and sealed absentee ballot to the post office, a ballot drop-off location, tribally designated building, or election office so long as the person designated to return the ballot does not receive any form of compensation based on the number of ballots that the person has returned and no individual, group, or organization provides compensation on this basis; and
“(B) may not put any limit on how many voted and sealed absentee ballots any designated person can return to the post office, a ballot drop off location, tribally designated building, or election office.
12) Banning voter ID by replacing it with 'I totes promise I'm not a degenerate rigger' note.
“(1) IN GENERAL.—Except as provided in subsection (c), if a State has in effect a requirement that an individual present identification as a condition of receiving and casting a ballot in an election for Federal office, the State shall permit the individual to meet the requirement—
“(A) in the case of an individual who desires to vote in person, by presenting the appropriate State or local election official with a sworn written statement, signed by the individual under penalty of perjury, attesting to the individual’s identity and attesting that the individual is eligible to vote in the election; or
13) Roadwork for DC statehood and territory statehood.
The whole subtitle.
Subtitle C—Findings Relating To District Of Columbia Statehood
Subtitle D—Territorial Voting Rights
14) COMPLETE CONGRESSIONAL TAKEOVER OF REDISTRICTING.
Subtitle E—Redistricting ReformAlso includes, of course, 'muh ------y minorities boo hoo'.
(B) ENSURING DIVERSITY.—In appointing the 9 members pursuant to subparagraph (B) of paragraph (1), as well as in designating alternates pursuant to subparagraph (B) of paragraph (3) and in appointing alternates to fill vacancies pursuant to subparagraph (B) of paragraph (4), the first members of the independent redistricting commission shall ensure that the membership is representative of the demographic groups (including racial, ethnic, economic, and gender) and geographic regions of the State, and provides racial, ethnic, and language minorities protected under the Voting Rights Act of 1965 with a meaningful opportunity to participate in the development of the State’s redistricting plan.
I am running out of time and space, but please look at this section:
SEC. 3201. NATIONAL STRATEGY TO PROTECT UNITED STATES DEMOCRATIC INSTITUTIONS. (a) In General.—Not later than one year after the date of the enactment of this Act, the President, acting through the Secretary, in consultation with the Chairman, the Secretary of Defense, the Secretary of State, the Attorney General, the Secretary of Education, the Director of National Intelligence, the Chairman of the Federal Election Commission, and the heads of any other appropriate Federal agencies, shall issue a national strategy to protect against cyber attacks, influence operations, disinformation campaigns, and other activities that could undermine the security and integrity of United States democratic institutions.
(b) Considerations.—The national strategy required under subsection (a) shall include consideration of the following:
(1) The threat of a foreign state actor, foreign terrorist organization (as designated pursuant to section 219 of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1189)), or a domestic actor carrying out a cyber attack, influence operation, disinformation campaign, or other activity aimed at undermining the security and integrity of United States democratic institutions.
(3) Potential consequences, such as an erosion of public trust or an undermining of the rule of law, that could result from a successful cyber attack, influence operation, disinformation campaign, or other activity aimed at undermining the security and integrity of United States democratic institutions.
Literally forming a commission to effectively freeze anyone who says that the election was rigged.
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01-24-2021, 09:48 AM
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(2) FAILURE TO DISCLOSE.—If any requirement under paragraph (1) to submit an income tax return is not met, the chairman of the Federal Election Commission shall submit to the Secretary a written request that the Secretary provide the Federal Election Commission with the income tax return.
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01-24-2021, 11:39 AM
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Well, the chances of it passing - as with most bills is pretty minuscule. Plenty of stuff seems unconstitutional as well due to states rights.
Although in my opinion, voting in the US is pretty abysmal, with each of the two parties supporting different abysmal legislation.
Although in my opinion, voting in the US is pretty abysmal, with each of the two parties supporting different abysmal legislation.
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01-24-2021, 01:06 PM
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Well, the chances of it passing - as with most bills is pretty minuscule. Plenty of stuff seems unconstitutional as well due to states rights.
Although in my opinion, voting in the US is pretty abysmal, with each of the two parties supporting different abysmal legislation.
Although in my opinion, voting in the US is pretty abysmal, with each of the two parties supporting different abysmal legislation.
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01-24-2021, 01:16 PM
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Re: drinking... did you see the stuff about Kyle being OK to drink at 16 in MN (IIRC) as long as he is with a parent?
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01-24-2021, 02:19 PM
The requirements (mental, not legal) for responsible voting and dying for one's country are very much different. Soldiers are specifically trained to act without thought, even if they were free thinkers before entering boot camp.
Re: drinking... did you see the stuff about Kyle being OK to drink at 16 in MN (IIRC) as long as he is with a parent?
Re: drinking... did you see the stuff about Kyle being OK to drink at 16 in MN (IIRC) as long as he is with a parent?
I have not been following Kyle.
** As a thought experiment where such a thing is magically possible, consider a scenario where republicans proposed that only 16/17yo who were attending military academy/school programs (i.e very different political indoctrination) should be considered eligible to vote. Then ask yourself if the left would want to support letting all their votes be counted.
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To my thinking, that's actually contradictory, because I don't see the requirements as being all that much different at all. I'm convinced the whole reason younger voters are being pushed is because they are not sufficiently capable of independent free thinking, and instead rely upon parroting whatever propaganda surrounds them (i.e. liberal social media, liberal school indoctrination, liberal friends, liberal parenting, etc.). If it wasn't a forgone conclusion that the overwhelming preponderance of 16/17yo voters would vote democrat, do you really think for a second that you wouldn't see the democrats screaming and crying** about how they aren't mature enough and are incapable of truly free thinking? The preference for young soldiers by the military is largely based on relative ease of manipulating their psyche to do as they're told. Why would that hold different with voting? If the argument is simply because of the gravity of consequences, I submit that the consequences of voting can be no less than life or death, if you consider timing is relative.
I have not been following Kyle.
** As a thought experiment where such a thing is magically possible, consider a scenario where republicans proposed that only 16/17yo who were attending military academy/school programs (i.e very different political indoctrination) should be considered eligible to vote. Then ask yourself if the left would want to support letting all their votes be counted.
I have not been following Kyle.
** As a thought experiment where such a thing is magically possible, consider a scenario where republicans proposed that only 16/17yo who were attending military academy/school programs (i.e very different political indoctrination) should be considered eligible to vote. Then ask yourself if the left would want to support letting all their votes be counted.
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You said : "The requirements . . . are very much different."
01-24-2021, 06:55 PM
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I said the requirements for responsible voting are very much different. I hear you saying that the requirements for irresponsible voting are not different. Thus we imply same concept, just from a different vantage point.
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