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08-23-2021, 04:53 PM
If anything, the public perception of the safety and utility of vaccines has been eroded by medical professionals getting really, really loose with what they are calling a vaccine.
I guess I will compromise and call them 40% flu vaccines. Since we are not to be trusted with the same numbers of the covid vaccine, I'll call it the #% covid vaccine.
I guess I will compromise and call them 40% flu vaccines. Since we are not to be trusted with the same numbers of the covid vaccine, I'll call it the #% covid vaccine.
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08-23-2021, 05:51 PM
Let me ask you- Is there anyone getting a flu shot that actually thinks it is a vaccine in as much as that they know it will not provide benefit for more than the current flu season (if even that)?
Since we are allowing the redefinition of commonly understood terms, how should we consider the time factor with regard to something being regarded as a vaccine? At what point does even a mere temporary therapy/treatment become a vaccine then? Would it still be a vaccine if you have to take it every month . . or week? If a doctor prescribes a steroid regimen to treat an autoimmune disease, does that mean that the steroid is considered a vaccine?
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08-23-2021, 07:17 PM
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It's pretty smart to develop a vaccine that doesn't prevent the spread of a mild virus, or illness, or hospitalization, and requires unlimited boosters to sorta work, and will be mandated by threat of death/fines/jail/unemployment/participation in the free market to take.
EDIT. I can't believe people in general are so stupid...
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08-23-2021, 08:36 PM
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08-23-2021, 08:39 PM
It's sort of difficult for the flu vaccine to fully prevent you from catching the flu. Typically, the annual flu vaccine is prepared by combining vaccines for 3 or 4 different variants of influenzas type A and B; the CDC states that man is aware of 131 different variants of influenza type A alone (out of 198 different strains thought possible). Type A variants are the variants most likely to cause flu pandemics.
If the 3-strain influenza vaccine was 100% effective, your body would still be completely unprepared for the other 97.7% of Type A strains.
Typically, when the WHO puts out their annual hot list of the 3-4 most likely influenza strains to emerge in a given year, the influenza family isn't contractually obligated to refrain from infecting humans with the other 128 strains. If some idiot in Columbia decides to make out with an infected duck after WHO releases their list, we're back to relatively "unvaccinated" as a global population as far as the flu is concerned.
The silver lining, is that the vaccine is probably good for well more than one year against *those particular strains*, so in the second year, you might get vaccinated against an additional 3-4 strains, and perhaps somewhere between the third and eighth year after vaccination you would gradually lose immunity to those specific strains.
Why don't we just make a vaccine that's effective against all flu variants? Well, if we disregard the cost of making that vaccine, I imagine various health agencies have decided that it's less than optimal for granny Gertrude's immune system to have to deal with preparing for 128 biologically unique diseases every 3 or so years. I suspect that they also silently recognize that building immune responses (to viruses or vaccines) is potentially linked to autoimmune disorders, so they prefer to minimize the total number of immunizations to those deemed most necessary to prevent death or debilitating disease.
If the 3-strain influenza vaccine was 100% effective, your body would still be completely unprepared for the other 97.7% of Type A strains.
Typically, when the WHO puts out their annual hot list of the 3-4 most likely influenza strains to emerge in a given year, the influenza family isn't contractually obligated to refrain from infecting humans with the other 128 strains. If some idiot in Columbia decides to make out with an infected duck after WHO releases their list, we're back to relatively "unvaccinated" as a global population as far as the flu is concerned.
The silver lining, is that the vaccine is probably good for well more than one year against *those particular strains*, so in the second year, you might get vaccinated against an additional 3-4 strains, and perhaps somewhere between the third and eighth year after vaccination you would gradually lose immunity to those specific strains.
Why don't we just make a vaccine that's effective against all flu variants? Well, if we disregard the cost of making that vaccine, I imagine various health agencies have decided that it's less than optimal for granny Gertrude's immune system to have to deal with preparing for 128 biologically unique diseases every 3 or so years. I suspect that they also silently recognize that building immune responses (to viruses or vaccines) is potentially linked to autoimmune disorders, so they prefer to minimize the total number of immunizations to those deemed most necessary to prevent death or debilitating disease.
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08-24-2021, 08:30 AM
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It's sort of difficult for the flu vaccine to fully prevent you from catching the flu. Typically, the annual flu vaccine is prepared by combining vaccines for 3 or 4 different variants of influenzas type A and B; the CDC states that man is aware of 131 different variants of influenza type A alone (out of 198 different strains thought possible). Type A variants are the variants most likely to cause flu pandemics.
If the 3-strain influenza vaccine was 100% effective, your body would still be completely unprepared for the other 97.7% of Type A strains.
Typically, when the WHO puts out their annual hot list of the 3-4 most likely influenza strains to emerge in a given year, the influenza family isn't contractually obligated to refrain from infecting humans with the other 128 strains. If some idiot in Columbia decides to make out with an infected duck after WHO releases their list, we're back to relatively "unvaccinated" as a global population as far as the flu is concerned.
The silver lining, is that the vaccine is probably good for well more than one year against *those particular strains*, so in the second year, you might get vaccinated against an additional 3-4 strains, and perhaps somewhere between the third and eighth year after vaccination you would gradually lose immunity to those specific strains.
Why don't we just make a vaccine that's effective against all flu variants? Well, if we disregard the cost of making that vaccine, I imagine various health agencies have decided that it's less than optimal for granny Gertrude's immune system to have to deal with preparing for 128 biologically unique diseases every 3 or so years. I suspect that they also silently recognize that building immune responses (to viruses or vaccines) is potentially linked to autoimmune disorders, so they prefer to minimize the total number of immunizations to those deemed most necessary to prevent death or debilitating disease.
If the 3-strain influenza vaccine was 100% effective, your body would still be completely unprepared for the other 97.7% of Type A strains.
Typically, when the WHO puts out their annual hot list of the 3-4 most likely influenza strains to emerge in a given year, the influenza family isn't contractually obligated to refrain from infecting humans with the other 128 strains. If some idiot in Columbia decides to make out with an infected duck after WHO releases their list, we're back to relatively "unvaccinated" as a global population as far as the flu is concerned.
The silver lining, is that the vaccine is probably good for well more than one year against *those particular strains*, so in the second year, you might get vaccinated against an additional 3-4 strains, and perhaps somewhere between the third and eighth year after vaccination you would gradually lose immunity to those specific strains.
Why don't we just make a vaccine that's effective against all flu variants? Well, if we disregard the cost of making that vaccine, I imagine various health agencies have decided that it's less than optimal for granny Gertrude's immune system to have to deal with preparing for 128 biologically unique diseases every 3 or so years. I suspect that they also silently recognize that building immune responses (to viruses or vaccines) is potentially linked to autoimmune disorders, so they prefer to minimize the total number of immunizations to those deemed most necessary to prevent death or debilitating disease.
I heard it's improved a bit, but still not great. It's always the principle to me...
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08-24-2021, 10:19 AM
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What term is being redefined? And in what way?
Note that there is a distinction within the medical community between therapeutic vaccines, which are administered after an illness has occurred (most commonly due to a viral infection) in order to stimulate a stronger immune response, and prophylactic vaccines, the more common type, which are administered to healthy people in order to prevent serious illness from infection.
No. The purpose of steroid treatment in this context is to inhibit the immune system by hampering or destroying lymphocyte cells. This has nothing to do with vaccination.
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08-24-2021, 10:24 AM
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It seems to me that your perception of a "true" vaccine is that it is completely effective at preventing an infection, and lasts forever.
Since "I've done my own research" has become a common maxim, I'd encourage you to do a bit of investigation of the literature surrounding efficacy and duration of action for any common, classical vaccine. Polio, tetanus, measles, pick whatever one you want, then start reading articles in the New England Journal of Medicine, or the Journal of the American Medical Association, or whatever source you feel is trustworthy.
Vaccines are not 100% effective.
Vaccines do not prevent infection, they help the body to fight off infection and thus prevent serious illness.
Vaccines do not last forever. Their efficacy diminishes with time. The common advice for tetanus, for instance, is that the vaccine be administered once every ten years, or sooner if a wound which presents a significant probability of infection occurs.
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08-24-2021, 10:27 AM
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I said if we can get through this winter and get really the overwhelming majority of the 90 million people who have not been vaccinated vaccinated, I hope we could start to get some good control in the spring of 2022.
We are at 171 million fully vaccinated (363 million first doses given). That's 171,000,000 more people fully vaccinated today than last year, but we need another ~80million to get vaccinated in order to maybe get some control in 7-8 months?
171mm is 52%. why is the ~75% number so significant? 0% to 50% is apparently doing little right now, why would another 50% increase have some significant effect?
So weird the entire country is at a HIGH level -- despite so many people vaccinated...
it's weird that Nebraska is at 50% fully vaxed rate -- as well as most other states -- but you're safe from transmission in NE...
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08-24-2021, 10:50 AM
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We are the MSM and we are here to tell you the truth (as we report it):
https://www.rt.com/usa/532869-florid...t-covid-media/
“No one walked off their jobs. There was just a press conference,” he tweeted, after posting screenshots of reports to illustrate how “misinformation sausage gets made.”
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https://www.wfla.com/community/healt...d-19-patients/
https://www.rt.com/usa/532869-florid...t-covid-media/
Florida doctor ‘walkout’ spawns online fight over obesity & Covid-19 vaccination. Turns out it was fake news
...The problem with both Shapiro’s take and the ensuing flame war was that they were both based on fake news, so to speak. According to Los Angeles Times deputy business editor Jeff Bercovici, whose father-in-law took part in the Monday morning event, there never was a “walkout.”“No one walked off their jobs. There was just a press conference,” he tweeted, after posting screenshots of reports to illustrate how “misinformation sausage gets made.”
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https://www.wfla.com/community/healt...d-19-patients/
75 Florida doctors stage symbolic walkout in protest of unvaccinated COVID-19 patients
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