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I agree with most of what you said. I disagree that none of what you said is publicly and/or commonly dispersed generating the illusion that the vaccine is without risk and is the paramount solution.
But the commentary would be on the word "works." Does it though? Are there more effective solutions? DOES it really improve outcomes? And for what age groups? Are people getting better/stronger now, OR has the virus become weaker (as they do)? No control group means or even worse, a botched control group nullifies any commentary on this vaccine following any scientific protocol.
But the commentary would be on the word "works." Does it though? Are there more effective solutions? DOES it really improve outcomes? And for what age groups? Are people getting better/stronger now, OR has the virus become weaker (as they do)? No control group means or even worse, a botched control group nullifies any commentary on this vaccine following any scientific protocol.
As for, "Are people getting better/stronger now...", that is the issue. The way the government has prosecuted this pandemic has cause FAR more pain and damage than the virus itself.
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At present, these people account for approximately 98% of all hospitalizations for Covid.
This is empirical evidence.
https://www.cdc.gov/pcd/issues/2021/21_0123.htm
Of ~5 million, 94.9% hospitalized had at least one underlying condition. Obesity alone ~1.3 times more likely to end up in the hospital. Essential hypertension is the highest, of which over 85% of those cases are found in people with BMI's higher than 25.
Of ~5 million, 94.9% hospitalized had at least one underlying condition. Obesity alone ~1.3 times more likely to end up in the hospital. Essential hypertension is the highest, of which over 85% of those cases are found in people with BMI's higher than 25.
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(sigh.)
Here's an easy-to-understand analysis of the data (from Aug 20) by the Peterson Center on Healthcare and the Kaiser Family Foundation.
https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/...ns-of-dollars/
Links to the various data sources are contained within.
If anyone can show me a "follow the money" explanation as to how either of these organizations stand to profit from enriching Pfizer, Moderna, or J&J, or otherwise from spreading falsehoods in order to engender panic, I'm listening. Mind you: the underlying theme of this paper is how to prevent unnecessary spending on healthcare.
Quoting the first metric of interest:
"As of early August 2021, 28% of adults over the age of 18 in the U.S. remain unvaccinated for COVID-19." (citation to source in hotlink)
Later, there's a "spoon-feed-me" breakdown of the full analysis of the data:
Further analysis, which specifically focuses on the co-morbidities which Bajingo, et al. like to speculate about (emphasis is mine):"Our second step is to focus on the hospitalizations that are primarily for COVID-19 treatment. Although these unvaccinated people were hospitalized with a confirmed COVID-19 diagnosis, COVID-19 may not have been their primary reason for being hospitalized. Some people may have been hospitalized for other conditions or comorbidities that would have caused them to be hospitalized even if they had not been diagnosed with COVID-19. Based on data reported by CDC for vaccinated patients through August 2, 2021, we assume 74% of these hospitalizations were primarily for COVID-19. This is a conservative assumption because unvaccinated people have a higher risk of severe illness than vaccinated people. It is likely the case that a larger share of these hospitalizations were primarily due to COVID-19, but there is no other data available to make this adjustment. After making this adjustment, we arrive at the number of adults hospitalized primarily because of COVID-19.
Our third step is to adjust for the fact that even if these unvaccinated adults had gotten the vaccine, the vaccine would not prevent 100% of hospitalizations. Based on CDC data for the effectiveness of the COVID-19 vaccines in preventing hospitalizations at 13-24 weeks, we assume that 84% of hospitalizations primarily for COVID-19 are preventable. Multiplying the number of adults hospitalized primarily due to COVID-19 by the percent of hospitalizations preventable by vaccination (84%) gives us the number of preventable hospitalizations. This is again a conservative assumption, as other studies have pointed to a higher level of protection from hospitalization."
Again, I fully expect that this will be casually dismissed by those who are fully committed to preaching a different narrative, so understand that my heart isn't really into posting more than this.
Here's an easy-to-understand analysis of the data (from Aug 20) by the Peterson Center on Healthcare and the Kaiser Family Foundation.
https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/...ns-of-dollars/
Links to the various data sources are contained within.
If anyone can show me a "follow the money" explanation as to how either of these organizations stand to profit from enriching Pfizer, Moderna, or J&J, or otherwise from spreading falsehoods in order to engender panic, I'm listening. Mind you: the underlying theme of this paper is how to prevent unnecessary spending on healthcare.
Quoting the first metric of interest:
"As of early August 2021, 28% of adults over the age of 18 in the U.S. remain unvaccinated for COVID-19." (citation to source in hotlink)
Later, there's a "spoon-feed-me" breakdown of the full analysis of the data:
Further analysis, which specifically focuses on the co-morbidities which Bajingo, et al. like to speculate about (emphasis is mine):"Our second step is to focus on the hospitalizations that are primarily for COVID-19 treatment. Although these unvaccinated people were hospitalized with a confirmed COVID-19 diagnosis, COVID-19 may not have been their primary reason for being hospitalized. Some people may have been hospitalized for other conditions or comorbidities that would have caused them to be hospitalized even if they had not been diagnosed with COVID-19. Based on data reported by CDC for vaccinated patients through August 2, 2021, we assume 74% of these hospitalizations were primarily for COVID-19. This is a conservative assumption because unvaccinated people have a higher risk of severe illness than vaccinated people. It is likely the case that a larger share of these hospitalizations were primarily due to COVID-19, but there is no other data available to make this adjustment. After making this adjustment, we arrive at the number of adults hospitalized primarily because of COVID-19.
Our third step is to adjust for the fact that even if these unvaccinated adults had gotten the vaccine, the vaccine would not prevent 100% of hospitalizations. Based on CDC data for the effectiveness of the COVID-19 vaccines in preventing hospitalizations at 13-24 weeks, we assume that 84% of hospitalizations primarily for COVID-19 are preventable. Multiplying the number of adults hospitalized primarily due to COVID-19 by the percent of hospitalizations preventable by vaccination (84%) gives us the number of preventable hospitalizations. This is again a conservative assumption, as other studies have pointed to a higher level of protection from hospitalization."
Again, I fully expect that this will be casually dismissed by those who are fully committed to preaching a different narrative, so understand that my heart isn't really into posting more than this.
Some inadvertent honesty
Reporter: “Just to clarify, since you said you were with him, how was he? How was his mood? How was he in dealing with all these — with the incoming information? How was he in asking the questions of military commanders (inaudible)?”
Psaki: “Well, I would say that anyone who’s watched the President up close, which is most of you, knows that the — putting the lives of servicemen and women at risk, and those decisions that you have to make as Commander-in-Chief, weigh heavily on him. And as I noted a few minutes ago, any day where you lose servicemembers is — may be the worst day of your presidency, and hopefully there’s not more. But we are certainly early in the presidency at this point in time.“
Psaki: “Well, I would say that anyone who’s watched the President up close, which is most of you, knows that the — putting the lives of servicemen and women at risk, and those decisions that you have to make as Commander-in-Chief, weigh heavily on him. And as I noted a few minutes ago, any day where you lose servicemembers is — may be the worst day of your presidency, and hopefully there’s not more. But we are certainly early in the presidency at this point in time.“
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Yeah those don't look like bogus numbers or anything... "numbers do not sum due to being completely made up"
I've been trying to find these numbers and they simply don't exist for public consumption, and they are absolutely the -- most important -- metric out there.
For one the CDC recommended we stop testing vaccinated people back in early 2021; they only changed this recommendation on Aug 12 -- so "data" from June and July isn't very helpful here.
Secondly, I don't believe those numbers since we already have learned from the Mayo Clinic the Pfister vaccination is only 40% effective against Delta and why the FDA has approved the emergency use of unlimited booster shots. See also: Israel's findings.
Thirdly, all one has to do is compare actual data from the lowest vaccinated countries with the highest and realize the numbers don't make sense. The introduction of the vaccine has caused cases to skyrocket -- applying a little logic here one can make some fantastic "estimations" here... And since we have already established that fantastic estimations is empirical evidence, every assumption is fact.
I've been trying to find these numbers and they simply don't exist for public consumption, and they are absolutely the -- most important -- metric out there.
For one the CDC recommended we stop testing vaccinated people back in early 2021; they only changed this recommendation on Aug 12 -- so "data" from June and July isn't very helpful here.
Secondly, I don't believe those numbers since we already have learned from the Mayo Clinic the Pfister vaccination is only 40% effective against Delta and why the FDA has approved the emergency use of unlimited booster shots. See also: Israel's findings.
Thirdly, all one has to do is compare actual data from the lowest vaccinated countries with the highest and realize the numbers don't make sense. The introduction of the vaccine has caused cases to skyrocket -- applying a little logic here one can make some fantastic "estimations" here... And since we have already established that fantastic estimations is empirical evidence, every assumption is fact.
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LA County’s unconstitutional attack on John MacArthur’s church has been ruled, well… unconstitutional.
Total cost to taxpayers for their blatant illegal actions is about $1.7 million. $900,000+ in legal fees and $800,000 settlement to the church.
Total cost to taxpayers for their blatant illegal actions is about $1.7 million. $900,000+ in legal fees and $800,000 settlement to the church.
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meanwhile in the most peaceful country in the world:
PART THREE by @projectk9hero then this afternoon, we were sent the previous video and I knew what we all feared was happening. The dogs were turned loose to survive on their own, we tried very hard to make a difference here at project k9 hero by getting to the bottom of this case and reaching out to as many resources as possible to bring these dogs home. In the end there just wasn’t enough time to save them. I want to personally thank everyone Who supports project k9 hero and other organizations like ours. We will continue our very best to protect those who protect us all around the world. ~ @projectk9hero
The Bee gets mean
https://babylonbee.com/news/report-b...t-on-his-hands
Report: Biden Wasn’t Checking Watch, Just Making Sure There Was No Blood Left On His Hands
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Report: Biden Wasn’t Checking Watch, Just Making Sure There Was No Blood Left On His Hands
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/a...-CDC-says.html
Vaccine effectiveness in preventing hospitalizations has fallen as low as 75 percent, from a high of 95 percent that was first touted when the shots first became available in late 2020.
and some 98.3% confliction:
https://www.wboy.com/news/health/cor...or-1030-a-m-4/
CHARLESTON, W.Va. – West Virginia Gov. Jim Justice began Monday’s virtual COVID-19 briefing with some startling statistics.
Nearly 2,500 new cases of COVID-19 have been reported since Friday, with now more than 10,000 cases in the state. There are no longer any green counties on the state’s map.
Also, over the last eight weeks, health officials have seen a 26% increase in cases among fully vaccinated residents, a 21% increase, among the vaccinated, in cases requiring hospitalizations and a 25% increase in deaths among those who have gotten their shots, Gov. Justice said. Two state troopers on the governor’s detail, who were fully vaccinated, now have COVID, the governor said. While those percentages are unsettling, the “breakthrough cases” account for .4% of all of the state’s COVID-19 cases.
The governor wants to begin giving booster shots to residents 60 and above now, but the state hasn’t gotten the full go ahead from federal officials yet, he lamented. When approval is given, the state will be ready to give them, Justice said, asking residents to be ready to receive them.
Justice wants to stay away from a vaccination mandate for state employees, he said, despite the FDA’s full approval of the Pfizer vaccine. “Everything is on the table,” though, Justice said.
Around 6,500 vaccinations have been given since last Friday, Justice said.
The governor also announced that registration is now open for the second round of the “Do it for Babydog” vaccination sweepstakes. Vaccinated residents can register here.
Nearly 2,500 new cases of COVID-19 have been reported since Friday, with now more than 10,000 cases in the state. There are no longer any green counties on the state’s map.
Also, over the last eight weeks, health officials have seen a 26% increase in cases among fully vaccinated residents, a 21% increase, among the vaccinated, in cases requiring hospitalizations and a 25% increase in deaths among those who have gotten their shots, Gov. Justice said. Two state troopers on the governor’s detail, who were fully vaccinated, now have COVID, the governor said. While those percentages are unsettling, the “breakthrough cases” account for .4% of all of the state’s COVID-19 cases.
The governor wants to begin giving booster shots to residents 60 and above now, but the state hasn’t gotten the full go ahead from federal officials yet, he lamented. When approval is given, the state will be ready to give them, Justice said, asking residents to be ready to receive them.
Justice wants to stay away from a vaccination mandate for state employees, he said, despite the FDA’s full approval of the Pfizer vaccine. “Everything is on the table,” though, Justice said.
Around 6,500 vaccinations have been given since last Friday, Justice said.
The governor also announced that registration is now open for the second round of the “Do it for Babydog” vaccination sweepstakes. Vaccinated residents can register here.