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I haven't seen this asked or discussed... who owned the chemicals? Norfolk Southern only moves them.
I believe this is an important question. Wouldn't the owner of the vinyl chloride want to salvage as much of their property as possible? Shouldn't they have been part of the decision-making process about how to clean up/destroy the spill? So I asked the question in a couple of other places.
Citizen Free Press has an open thread every day. You don't have to be a member. I created a rather tasteless user name, and gave my little-used hotmail address. I typed in my question and received a couple of replies and a dozen likes over the course of an hour or so. Then, it was gone, along with the replies. I looked for it for a couple of hours, and then gave up. The next day I posted it again. It was gone in five minutes. I created a more benign user name, but used the same hotmail address. This time the post was gone almost instantly.
This morning I created an account on The Gateway Pundit site. I posted my question under an appropriate story. It appeared at the top of the list of posts briefly, and then was gone. I retyped the question, hit enter, and received a message that my previous post was being screened and I basically needed to wait. It never appeared in the thread.
Have any of you seen who the owner of the vinyl chloride is?
Have any of you seen who the owner of the vinyl chloride is?
Envision an oil pipeline which runs from a port at which tanker ships discharge to a distribution terminal some distance away which services several refineries.
Who owns the petroleum which is in the middle of the pipeline?
Let's say that Company A discharges a ship full of oil into the pipeline at the dock. They pay a fee to the owner of the pipeline, and then they withdraw an equal amount of oil from the other end of the pipeline where their refinery is located.
Only it's not literally the exact same physical oil, merely oil of the same grade. Might have been put into the pipeline a few days ago by Company B, or they might take the withdrawal a week later, receiving oil put into the pipe by Company C.
If the pipeline ruptures, and a few thousand gallons of oil spill out of it onto the ground, who is the owner of that specific oil?
Answer: that's a philosophical question. But the pipeline company is liable for it.
My knowledge of rail transport of bulk chemicals is far smaller (nonexistent is technically included within "far smaller"), and comes mostly from Breaking Bad. But I wouldn't be at all surprised if the de jure owner of the cargo was, at the time of the incident, Norfolk Southern.
I will, however, make a prediction: Sooner or later, someone is going to claim that there was no vinyl chloride on the train, and this is all a false-flag operation to distract public attention away from [other thing].
Whilst I agree with your rationale concerning oils, coal, asphalt, and a few other things, there are also many rail cars with specific owners and destinations, like Toyota parts going to Kentucky for assembly.
However, even if you're correct, it doesn't explain why my posts get deleted or not loaded at all. All kinds of sheet is allowed, like "I make $8500 a month showing my **** online. You could, too". I must be doing something wrong because I don't see how I could be offending anyone any more than other posts, but it is interesting it has happened on two venues with different posting protocols.
Wouldn't the owner of the vinyl chloride want to salvage as much of their property as possible? Shouldn't they have been part of the decision-making process about how to clean up/destroy the spill?
this is what insurance is for.
1. What chemicals were found at the Tarawa Terrace Treatment Plant?
Tetrachloroethylene (also known as perchloroethylene or “PCE”) was the main contaminant. The maximum level detected in drinking water was 215 parts per billion (μg/L) in February 1985. The source of contamination was ABC One-Hour Cleaners, an off-base dry cleaning firm. The most highly contaminated wells were shut down in February 1985. Water modeling that ATSDR conducted for the Tarawa Terrace system is complete. Based on the model results, PCE concentration was estimated to have exceeded the current EPA maximum contaminant level of 5 μg/L in drinking water at the Tarawa Terrace water treatment plant for 346 months during November 1957-February 1987. Over time, PCE degrades in ground water to trichloroethylene (TCE), trans-1,2-dichloroethylene (DCE) and vinyl chloride. Levels of these chemicals in the Tarawa Terrace drinking water system were also estimated.
2. What chemicals were found at the Hadnot Point Treatment Plant?
Trichloroethylene (TCE) was the main contaminant. The maximum level detected in drinking water was 1,400 μg/L in May 1982. The current limit for TCE in drinking water is 5 μg/L. Other contaminants detected in finished water at the Hadnot Point treatment plant included DCE (trans 1,2-dichloroethylene), PCE, benzene, and vinyl chloride. DCE was detected at a maximum of 407 μg/L in January 1985. There are reported detections of benzene in the finished water at Hadnot Point in late 1985.
There were multiple sources of contamination including leaking underground storage tanks and waste disposal sites. The most highly contaminated wells were shut down by February 1985. ATSDR modeled the contamination and determined that at least one VOC exceeded its current EPA maximum contaminant level in finished water between August 1953 and January 1985.
5. What is vinyl chloride?
Vinyl chloride (VC) is a colorless gas at room temperature. It is in liquid form if kept under high pressure or at low temperatures. VC has a mild, sweet odor and dissolves slightly in water. It is a manufactured substance that does not occur naturally. It can be formed when other substances such as trichloroethylene (TCE) and tetrachloroethylene (PCE) are broken down. VC is used to make polyvinyl chloride (PVC). PVC is used to make a variety of plastic products, including pipes, wire and cable coatings, and packaging materials.
Whilst I agree with your rationale concerning oils, coal, asphalt, and a few other things, there are also many rail cars with specific owners and destinations, like Toyota parts going to Kentucky for assembly.
However, even if you're correct, it doesn't explain why my posts get deleted or not loaded at all. All kinds of sheet is allowed, like "I make $8500 a month showing my **** online. You could, too". I must be doing something wrong because I don't see how I could be offending anyone any more than other posts, but it is interesting it has happened on two venues with different posting protocols.
Whilst I agree with your rationale concerning oils, coal, asphalt, and a few other things, there are also many rail cars with specific owners and destinations, like Toyota parts going to Kentucky for assembly.
Understood and agreed.
There have already been several lawsuits filed. And we all know that lawyers like to name as many defendants as possible in tort cases. Presupposing that they have all done some research prior to filing, none of them have named a company as the owner of any of the cargo, apart from Norfolk Southern.
This is one reason for my only semi-joking prediction that one of the conspiracy theories which arises from this whole shitshow will be "there was no vinyl chloride / false flag."
Originally Posted by poormxdad
However, even if you're correct, it doesn't explain why my posts get deleted or not loaded at all. All kinds of sheet is allowed, like "I make $8500 a month showing my **** online. You could, too".
Have you tried offering to show your **** online?
$8,500 / mo, while not a fortune, is certainly nothing to scoff at. I'd gladly accept that money in exchange for not having concrete answers to questions about a liquid on the ground in Ohio.
I believe this is an important question. Wouldn't the owner of the vinyl chloride want to salvage as much of their property as possible? Shouldn't they have been part of the decision-making process about how to clean up/destroy the spill? So I asked the question in a couple of other places.
Citizen Free Press has an open thread every day. You don't have to be a member. I created a rather tasteless user name, and gave my little-used hotmail address. I typed in my question and received a couple of replies and a dozen likes over the course of an hour or so. Then, it was gone, along with the replies. I looked for it for a couple of hours, and then gave up. The next day I posted it again. It was gone in five minutes. I created a more benign user name, but used the same hotmail address. This time the post was gone almost instantly.
This morning I created an account on The Gateway Pundit site. I posted my question under an appropriate story. It appeared at the top of the list of posts briefly, and then was gone. I retyped the question, hit enter, and received a message that my previous post was being screened and I basically needed to wait. It never appeared in the thread.
Have any of you seen who the owner of the vinyl chloride is?
here is a good analysis of why it was handled the way it was. guy can be a little unhinged sometimes but is super bright.
Well, its a gas normally, and a nasty one. It is particularly nasty because (1) it is toxic, (2) the toxic level is well below what you detect by smell (thus by the time you smell it you're being actively poisoned, by quite a bit) and (3) its also explosively flammable and heavier than air, so it will travel along the ground and, if it finds an ignition source..... boom.
It was that risk that led them to deliberately breach the tanks and, ultimately, burn it off. Had the tanks ruptured explosively the rapid vapor expansion explosion that would have resulted could have easily leveled a decently-large area and thrown shrapnel for a mile -- or more. (Incidentally several news outlets said it could "detonate"; I've looked for evidence of it being able to be initiated and can't find it. There is a very significant difference between an "explosion" and a "detonation"; the two are not the same thing.)
But -- the material is both nearly insoluble in water and highly volatile. (It is soluble in most organic solvents but that's not in play here.)
This means its quite-easy to separate out and since it doesn't dissolve is easily liberated if in a mixture with water. Indeed even a minute of boiling water fairly-heavily contaminated with it evolves it out to undetectable levels in the water that remains. Of course you'd be wise to run the exhaust fan while doing this, since you certainly don't want to breathe it and, again, the toxic level is well below what you can detect by smell.
When burnt the primary trouble-maker is HCL (hydrochloric acid) which is nasty if inhaled; you might use it as a pH control in your pool in liquid and I strongly recommend against inhaling that vapor. But that has no persistent risk, and the other primary evolved compounds (CO2, CO and free carbon aka "soot") don't either. A very small amount of phosgene is also produced by combustion of VC but in terms of outputs its in the 10s of ppm, primarily because phosgene degrades very rapidly above 200C to free chlorine and CO -- and of course a fire burns MUCH hotter than 200C.
Reminds me of an old "What If" scenario from XKCD, back from a time when everyone was suddenly an expert on pressure cookers. In it, the author answers the question "What's the worst thing that can happen if you misuse a pressure cooker in an ordinary kitchen?"
Vinyl Chloride, oh chemical of old,
Your compound structure, a tale untold.
In factories and plants, you once did reside,
Your fumes and gases, hard to abide.
Your origins traced back to the past,
From coal and salt, your birth did cast.
Polyvinyl chloride, your polymer kin,
Plastic pipes and toys, your product spin.
But with great power comes great responsibility,
Your toxicity and hazards, a fact of reality.
Carcinogenic and flammable, a danger to health,
Protective measures, a must for wealth.
In spite of your flaws, a part of history you'll stay,
A relic of the past, still used today.
As a record player spins, you come to life,
A melody and rhythm, through the needle's strife.
Vinyl Chloride, a substance of contrast,
A chemical of fame and infamy amassed.
A reminder to us, to handle with care,
The wonders and perils, of science to bear.
Vinyl Chloride, a chemical so small,
Yet its impact on our lives, can be so tall.
A building block of plastics we adore,
PVC pipes, toys, and so much more.
But behind its usefulness, lies a tale,
Of dangers that lurk, a warning we should not fail.
Exposure to this gas, can cause great harm,
To the environment, and those who use it as a charm.
In factories where it's produced,
Precautions must be taken, risks reduced.
Protective gears, ventilation, and more,
To ensure the safety, of those who work at its core.
For vinyl chloride, though it may seem small,
Can have a lasting impact, on one and all.
So let's use it wisely, with care and thought,
And minimize its dangers, as much as we ought.
Reminds me of an old "What If" scenario from XKCD, back from a time when everyone was suddenly an expert on pressure cookers. In it, the author answers the question "What's the worst thing that can happen if you misuse a pressure cooker in an ordinary kitchen?"
I loved the "what if" book. I'd like to read the 2nd one but Randal went kinda woke and I have not checked to see if he has come back to reality.
I had not noticed this. Any specific examples?
I mean, most of his stuff, especially in the what-ifs, involves lots of fire and destruction and war and black holes and genuinely remarkable amounts of violence on a planetary scale.
Obviously, one possible interpretation of that is that I have also become woke, and thus perceive wokeness as normal. Let's hope that's not the case.
Originally Posted by golftdibrad
RE: poem, did you get Chat GPT to write it?
Yes. It's a really fascinating piece of technology. I've also been using it to create responses to Braineack's meme-dumps lately. All of the Donald Trump replies yesterday were from ChatGPT, for instance.
The old man handing rainbow-colored eggs to a frog was created with Dall-E, which I find to produce better-quality output than CrAIyon. Interestingly, while ChatGPT has no problem at all writing about politicians and the like, Dall-E is specifically prohibited from rendering anything in response to a prompt containing the name of a politician. It outright refuses, and tells you why.
I mean, most of his stuff, especially in the what-ifs, involves lots of fire and destruction and war and black holes and genuinely remarkable amounts of violence on a planetary scale.
Obviously, one possible interpretation of that is that I have also become woke, and thus perceive wokeness as normal. Let's hope that's not the case.
Yes. It's a really fascinating piece of technology. I've also been using it to create responses to Braineack's meme-dumps lately. All of the Donald Trump replies yesterday were from ChatGPT, for instance.
The old man handing rainbow-colored eggs to a frog was created with Dall-E, which I find to produce better-quality output than CrAIyon. Interestingly, while ChatGPT has no problem at all writing about politicians and the like, Dall-E is specifically prohibited from rendering anything in response to a prompt containing the name of a politician. It outright refuses, and tells you why.
Interesting! The poem was really good, but like, too specific for me working in chemical industry to have not heard before. That was my biggest tip off.
re: Randal,during all the riots in 20 he was in support of BLM as an org, after it was clear they were a front for commies. I see that reference and link is now removed. But between that and life just being generally busy I just stopped reading.
Also is fully bought into AWG is the literal end of the world and made comics to that point, some intentionally deceitful when I knowHE knows better. (https://xkcd.com/1732/) See there is a link to the NYT climate FAQ and some AGW end of the world twitter person.
And that is really disappointing because I have really enjoyed his work over the years. Ballmer peak is something I still sneak into conversations with my nerdy friends. Anyway, maybe I'll read again, no one is perfect.
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