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CBS reports that McGonigal was arrested over "his ties to Oleg Deripaska, a Russian billionaire who has been sanctioned by the United States and criminally charged last year with violating those sanctions."
BREAKING: FBI official who investigated Trump ties to Russia was just arrested for illegal ties to Russian oligarch
On Saturday afternoon, former FBI agent Charles McGonigal, who was head of counterintelligence in the New York Field Office and a part of the investigation into supposed ties between Trump and Russia, was arrested over his alleged ties to Russia.CBS reports that McGonigal was arrested over "his ties to Oleg Deripaska, a Russian billionaire who has been sanctioned by the United States and criminally charged last year with violating those sanctions."
The practical uses for aborted fetal tissue are surprisingly wide-ranging.
Obviously we all know about the use of stem cells in the development of cancer treatments. They are also being used nowadays for the purpose of cell-regeneration with the ultimate goal of producing entire organs for transplant.
There are also really weird-sounding use cases, such as the HEK 293 cell line (extracted from an aborted fetus in 1973) which has been used for decades in flavor research and the development of flavor enhancers for fast food products.
Does thinking about this bother you more than wondering what happened to my appendix after it was removed from my body? Or to my sister's lungs after they were removed? (She's fine, btw, they put new ones in.)
Obviously we all know about the use of stem cells in the development of cancer treatments. They are also being used nowadays for the purpose of cell-regeneration with the ultimate goal of producing entire organs for transplant.
There are also really weird-sounding use cases, such as the HEK 293 cell line (extracted from an aborted fetus in 1973) which has been used for decades in flavor research and the development of flavor enhancers for fast food products.
Does thinking about this bother you more than wondering what happened to my appendix after it was removed from my body? Or to my sister's lungs after they were removed? (She's fine, btw, they put new ones in.)
Lots of Ramona Quimby and Ralph S. Mouse, of course. And the Hardy Boys. Not exactly heady stuff. Less mainstream stuff like James B. Garfield, too. One book which I remember was "A Bundle of Sticks" by Pat Mauser McCord. This book, which for some reason had not been burned yet, acknowledged the existence of homosexuality, and the word "fаggot."
I read that book at the age of maybe 8 or 9. It did not turn me into a homosexual. In fact, since reading it, I have had sex with fewer than 30 men in my entire life.
I read that book at the age of maybe 8 or 9. It did not turn me into a homosexual. In fact, since reading it, I have had sex with fewer than 30 men in my entire life.
Either you are completely out of touch with how the K-12 public education system is pushing this down kids' throats or you are just willfully in denial. No child needs to know how their teacher chooses to have sex. They don't need to know the life story of why their teacher has sex with their same gender. They don't need to know about an adult being confused about their gender. They don't need to learn new methods of masturbation at school. They don't need to learn about how healthy it is to ********** with their peers. They don't need to view their parents having intercourse. As parents, WE will decide what our children are exposed to and at which ages. But when you look at the State public school system today, they are passing laws each session about the things a parent or school or "state employee" can do/say/encourage without informing parents.
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What's funny to me is that you can spout off information about using aborted babies as a component of food flavoring. Sit down for a minute and read what you wrote. Please tell me the type of flavor benefits we are missing out if we do not consume aborted fetus parts?
No food product sold in the US contains aborted fetus parts. Never has.
I picked the HEK 239 cell line as an example because a lot has been written about it. Many anti-abortion activists have drawn the exact same erroneous conclusion as you did, and have repeated it loudly and hysterically.
HEK 239 is one of many countless thousands of human-derived cell lines which have been preserved and replicated by researchers over the years because it contains some unique property which makes it useful. I'm not a geneticist, so don't look to me for deeper explanations of the "how." Some of these cultures originated as biopsy material from living hosts, some from organ tissue surgically removed, and some from fetal tissue.
In 1973, kidney cells taken from an aborted fetus were found to have such properties. And so those cells have been replicated and reproduced ad-nauseum for the past 50 years, frequently splitting off into new and interesting mutations. None of the physical tissue of the original fetus is known to still exist, insofar as I am aware.
One company which has made significant use of this line is Senomyx, a biotech company which develops food additives. Around 2001, they used cells derived from variants of the HEK 239 family (along with many other components) to engineer what they describe as "proprietary taste receptor-based assay systems" (artificial taste buds, in layperson speak) which are used during the development and testing of flavoring agents. (source)
Many, many other biotech companies have similarly used these cell cultures for a variety of products. Two of the most recently-publicized such cases were laboratories which used HEK 239-derived cells as part of the assay testing of the potency of antibody treatments and vaccines. Specifically, the Regeneron antibody treatment which was administered to former president Trump when he had Covid (source and source), as well as the Oxford/AstraZeneca Covid-19 vaccine (source.)
Of course, rightists (including the Catholic church) were entirely silent on the former, but went utterly wild about the latter.
So, to reiterate: no company is putting aborted fetal tissue in any food / drink / medicine.
Many companies are using replicated biological material whose genetic origin was originally derived from human tissue, aborted and otherwise derived, in the development and testing of a wide variety of everyday products.
HEK 239 is one of many countless thousands of human-derived cell lines which have been preserved and replicated by researchers over the years because it contains some unique property which makes it useful. I'm not a geneticist, so don't look to me for deeper explanations of the "how." Some of these cultures originated as biopsy material from living hosts, some from organ tissue surgically removed, and some from fetal tissue.
GW Bush allowed fetal stem cell research on lines that had already been established, but not "new" cells. Made sense at the time, but since then it's turned out that skin cells can be just as effective.
Historically life hasn't been worth much, and it seems like through abortion and the end-of-life circus in Canada and the EU that we're headed that way again.
"The French" is absolutely dehumanizing. It's much better to call them "quiche-eating surrender monkeys." Speaking of French;
"There is in fact a manly and legitimate passion for equality that incites men to want all to be strong and esteemed. This passion tends to elevate the small to the rank of the great; but one also encounters a depraved taste for equality in the human heart that brings the weak to want to draw the strong to their level and that reduces men to preferring equality in servitude to inequality in freedom."
Alexis de Tocqueville
"There is in fact a manly and legitimate passion for equality that incites men to want all to be strong and esteemed. This passion tends to elevate the small to the rank of the great; but one also encounters a depraved taste for equality in the human heart that brings the weak to want to draw the strong to their level and that reduces men to preferring equality in servitude to inequality in freedom."
Alexis de Tocqueville
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Not on average, anyway.
We tend to place a high value on our own lives, as well as the lives of people whom we are directly related to.
There are a lot of people who exhibit outrage when the life of a person who is a stranger to them, but who happens to garner significant media exposure, is ended prematurely. Celebrities, people who fucked around and found out, etc. But I don't consider this to be the same as having a genuine emotional bond with said person in the way that one might with a child or a spouse.
On the whole, however, most people's lives have little actual worth, beyond whatever sentiment a few close relatives and an insurance company attach to it.
Personally, I have spent a fair amount of time thinking about how I will die. As I have no dependents, and will likely outlive all of my immediate family with the exception of my niece and my brother in law, I will have the luxury of choosing to do so when I arrive at a point in life when my physical health no longer permits me to truly enjoy life in the manner to which I am accustomed. The plan is becoming more refined over time, and changes slightly as my life experiences grow.
At present, I intend to die while leaning back in a lightweight collapsible chair at the edge of a cliff in southern Utah, looking across Dead Horse Canyon at sunset, with a glass of whiskey in my hand, and a large, loose-fitting transparent bag over my upper body, connected by hose to a tank of nitrogen and a regulator. If luck and careful financial planning align, this will occur around 2045, give or take.
I do not expect to be mourned. The value of my life, to me, is not measured by the grief of others.
You seem to attribute a greater value to life, as an abstract concept (eg: the lives of strangers), than I do. Is this an accurate observation?
My value of life changed drastically when I had a child. Not so much the value of my own life, but the value of others. I don't have any idols that I don't personally know so no one on TV or in politics holds extra value to me over some random person on his daily commute.
And of course I value the life of my son tremendously. I suspect many people give more value to life when they become parents. You love your child and wish no harm ever come to them and obviously understand that's what other parents want as well. Well, not all other parents. There are plenty out there that don't value their child's life and instead just see them as an extension of their own life.
So yes, I do value the life of strangers. At least those that show they value the life of others.
And of course I value the life of my son tremendously. I suspect many people give more value to life when they become parents. You love your child and wish no harm ever come to them and obviously understand that's what other parents want as well. Well, not all other parents. There are plenty out there that don't value their child's life and instead just see them as an extension of their own life.
So yes, I do value the life of strangers. At least those that show they value the life of others.
Life isn't worth much.
Not on average, anyway.
At present, I intend to die while leaning back in a lightweight collapsible chair at the edge of a cliff in southern Utah, looking across Dead Horse Canyon at sunset, with a glass of whiskey in my hand, and a large, loose-fitting transparent bag over my upper body, connected by hose to a tank of nitrogen and a regulator. If luck and careful financial planning align, this will occur around 2045, give or take.
Not on average, anyway.
At present, I intend to die while leaning back in a lightweight collapsible chair at the edge of a cliff in southern Utah, looking across Dead Horse Canyon at sunset, with a glass of whiskey in my hand, and a large, loose-fitting transparent bag over my upper body, connected by hose to a tank of nitrogen and a regulator. If luck and careful financial planning align, this will occur around 2045, give or take.
cliché but true; I have experienced a similar thing. Having kids does awaken something in you. I think its more profound for those of us that were unsure or apathetic in the first place about procreation.