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05-26-2023, 11:22 AM
Clawing Back Sanity from an EVIL Government
The County Sold Her Home Over Unpaid Taxes and Kept the Profit. SCOTUS Wasn't Having It.
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05-26-2023, 04:03 PM
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It’s Time to Krauthammer the Curriculum
By Chris Stirewalt
Mar 27, 2023
What do we owe our adversaries in the battle of ideas?
We spend a lot of time thinking and talking about what is disqualifying in the discourse or debate of others—determining what is ugly, rude, bigoted, facile, sneering, hypocritical, etc.
We’re all cancel culture commissars when it comes to our own little dachas. I know I am always ready to lay claim to a valid reason why I should not have to listen to this particular twaddle or respond to that obvious canard. Sloth is my shield against engagement with obvious rottenness. Who has the time or energy?
As we know too well, millions of Americans make time for it. And the more rotten, the better. My colleague David French coined the term “nutpicking” for the negative version of cherry picking in which the nuttiest nut from a political or cultural group is picked out by one of its adversaries to say that this is how allll Republicans, or Democrats, or Methodists, or people who make pie crust with vegetable shortening are.
This kind of fallacious part-to-whole argumentation isn’t anything new, but social media has made nutpicking very lazy work indeed. A few minutes cruising the ranty holes of online argument will always yield someone calling for the death penalty for Crisco crustmakers or whatever suits one’s immediate need for outrage.
We’ve known about the human weakness for straw man arguments and similar sophistries since at least the time of Aristotle and the “defect of definition.” But what about the obverse?
Five years ago, when my friend Charles Krauthammer announced that he had been diagnosed with terminal cancer and would soon be leaving us to sort life out without his help, Bret Stephens of the New York Times joined the river of mournful celebration of Dr. K’s life and work. “Since I’m not aware of any precise antonym to the term ‘straw man,’” Stephens wrote. “I hereby nominate the noun ‘krauthammer’ to serve the function.”
And well it could. Charles wrote and argued without relying on disagreeable nuts to make his case for him, nor did he publicly revel (much) in the frequent flailing of his adversaries. Charles could often make the counterargument better than his opponent could and still dispatch it. He did this with good humor and his love for the absurd, but also through elevation. As Stephens put it, “by getting his readers to raise their sights above the parapets of momentary passion and parochial interest.”
It is one of my core beliefs that no one has ever won an argument. If we define victory as changing the opinion of one’s adversary, arguing doesn’t just fail to convince, it actively pushes the other side away. Never has a person in an argument said, “Wait a second, that part you said about my ignorance and hypocrisy—I’d never seen it that way, friend-o. You’ve shown me that I really am obtuse and morally blinkered. I hereby agree with you.”
But that doesn’t mean we cannot persuade. And to persuade, we must first identify the shared values we have in common—to get our heads above those parapets.
Jon Shields, a professor of government at Claremont McKenna College, has a bold suggestion for a way to “krauthammer” the worsening problem of the anti-intellectualism, indeed anti-idea-ism of the nationalist right in America.
In a thought-provoking op-ed in the New York Times, Shields argues that “every American university should offer a course on what is best in conservatism. That means teaching conservative intellectuals, not just the history of the G.O.P. or right-wing populism.”
The overwhelmingly progressive-left slant of college faculties, especially at selective and elite institutions, means that right-of-center students have to look hard to find mentors and instruction. And very often, that comes in the areas of the shoddy argumentation useful for political organization, e.g. “own the libs,” not in the rich, varied, nourishing world of political and moral philosophy. Turning Point USA and CPAC are no substitutes for David Hume and James Madison.
Shields argues that the “squalid education” offered by these right-wing groups that fill the void created by the left-wing groupthink of the typical faculty and curriculum is itself a danger to academia. If the current trend among members of the nationalist right is to tear down the academy, what will the second or third generation of enthusiastic know-nothings be like?
Left-leaning professors may not want to give conservative ideas any creedence at all, and some are no doubt afraid of the backlash that might follow if they tried. But trying to seal off higher education so completely has been a disaster.
“As late as the mid-1980s, about one-third of American professors were still right of center,” Shields writes. “But by 1999, one survey found that Republicans accounted for just 2 percent of English professors, 0 percent of sociologists, 4 percent of historians and 8 percent of political scientists.”
That’s how you get Charlie Kirk but no Edmund Burke.
We owe our adversaries our best arguments, but also to make theirs for them. That even means instructing the next generation how to engage successfully in the battle of ideas.
Because it is through that battle, properly contested, that good ideas are discovered, tested, and preserved.
https://archive.is/1SWJL
By Chris Stirewalt
Mar 27, 2023
What do we owe our adversaries in the battle of ideas?
We spend a lot of time thinking and talking about what is disqualifying in the discourse or debate of others—determining what is ugly, rude, bigoted, facile, sneering, hypocritical, etc.
We’re all cancel culture commissars when it comes to our own little dachas. I know I am always ready to lay claim to a valid reason why I should not have to listen to this particular twaddle or respond to that obvious canard. Sloth is my shield against engagement with obvious rottenness. Who has the time or energy?
As we know too well, millions of Americans make time for it. And the more rotten, the better. My colleague David French coined the term “nutpicking” for the negative version of cherry picking in which the nuttiest nut from a political or cultural group is picked out by one of its adversaries to say that this is how allll Republicans, or Democrats, or Methodists, or people who make pie crust with vegetable shortening are.
This kind of fallacious part-to-whole argumentation isn’t anything new, but social media has made nutpicking very lazy work indeed. A few minutes cruising the ranty holes of online argument will always yield someone calling for the death penalty for Crisco crustmakers or whatever suits one’s immediate need for outrage.
We’ve known about the human weakness for straw man arguments and similar sophistries since at least the time of Aristotle and the “defect of definition.” But what about the obverse?
Five years ago, when my friend Charles Krauthammer announced that he had been diagnosed with terminal cancer and would soon be leaving us to sort life out without his help, Bret Stephens of the New York Times joined the river of mournful celebration of Dr. K’s life and work. “Since I’m not aware of any precise antonym to the term ‘straw man,’” Stephens wrote. “I hereby nominate the noun ‘krauthammer’ to serve the function.”
And well it could. Charles wrote and argued without relying on disagreeable nuts to make his case for him, nor did he publicly revel (much) in the frequent flailing of his adversaries. Charles could often make the counterargument better than his opponent could and still dispatch it. He did this with good humor and his love for the absurd, but also through elevation. As Stephens put it, “by getting his readers to raise their sights above the parapets of momentary passion and parochial interest.”
It is one of my core beliefs that no one has ever won an argument. If we define victory as changing the opinion of one’s adversary, arguing doesn’t just fail to convince, it actively pushes the other side away. Never has a person in an argument said, “Wait a second, that part you said about my ignorance and hypocrisy—I’d never seen it that way, friend-o. You’ve shown me that I really am obtuse and morally blinkered. I hereby agree with you.”
But that doesn’t mean we cannot persuade. And to persuade, we must first identify the shared values we have in common—to get our heads above those parapets.
Jon Shields, a professor of government at Claremont McKenna College, has a bold suggestion for a way to “krauthammer” the worsening problem of the anti-intellectualism, indeed anti-idea-ism of the nationalist right in America.
In a thought-provoking op-ed in the New York Times, Shields argues that “every American university should offer a course on what is best in conservatism. That means teaching conservative intellectuals, not just the history of the G.O.P. or right-wing populism.”
The overwhelmingly progressive-left slant of college faculties, especially at selective and elite institutions, means that right-of-center students have to look hard to find mentors and instruction. And very often, that comes in the areas of the shoddy argumentation useful for political organization, e.g. “own the libs,” not in the rich, varied, nourishing world of political and moral philosophy. Turning Point USA and CPAC are no substitutes for David Hume and James Madison.
Shields argues that the “squalid education” offered by these right-wing groups that fill the void created by the left-wing groupthink of the typical faculty and curriculum is itself a danger to academia. If the current trend among members of the nationalist right is to tear down the academy, what will the second or third generation of enthusiastic know-nothings be like?
Left-leaning professors may not want to give conservative ideas any creedence at all, and some are no doubt afraid of the backlash that might follow if they tried. But trying to seal off higher education so completely has been a disaster.
“As late as the mid-1980s, about one-third of American professors were still right of center,” Shields writes. “But by 1999, one survey found that Republicans accounted for just 2 percent of English professors, 0 percent of sociologists, 4 percent of historians and 8 percent of political scientists.”
That’s how you get Charlie Kirk but no Edmund Burke.
We owe our adversaries our best arguments, but also to make theirs for them. That even means instructing the next generation how to engage successfully in the battle of ideas.
Because it is through that battle, properly contested, that good ideas are discovered, tested, and preserved.
https://archive.is/1SWJL
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05-31-2023, 01:50 PM
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Elizabeth Holmes Immediately Defrauds Biggest Inmate To Gain Other Prisoners’ Respect
BRYAN, TX—As soon as she reported Tuesday to the federal prison camp where she is to be incarcerated, former biotech entrepreneur Elizabeth Holmes is said to have immediately defrauded the biggest, toughest inmate she could find in an effort to gain the respect of her fellow prisoners.
“You’re getting in on the ground floor of a venture that will revolutionize the prison industry,” Holmes said as she walked up to the facility’s most feared convict and swindled her out of all her money, reportedly hoping to send a clear message that she was “nobody’s bitch.” “This is a groundbreaking technology that will change the world while paying huge dividends on your initial investment of 30 packs of cigarettes. And if you give me just a small cut of your prison wages every week, I’ll make sure you’re drinking the finest hooch by the time we take the company public.”
At press time, inmates were seen scattering in every direction after Elizabeth Holmes and her gang entered the prison yard armed with spreadsheets and asking who wanted to go all-in on a new venture.
https://www.theonion.com/elizabeth-h...-to-1850487519
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06-02-2023, 11:53 AM
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/202...while-singing/
Things are getting out of hand in the Capital.
Things are getting out of hand in the Capital.
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06-02-2023, 12:02 PM
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Things are getting out of hand in the Capital.
Things are getting out of hand in the Capital.
This thing we call the federal government is broken, where is the reset button?
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06-02-2023, 01:09 PM
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It's kind of like fascism, but with left-leaning ideologies, is anti-nationalist, and focuses on the destruction rather than the preservation of traditional social and moral values.
What does one call such a system?
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06-02-2023, 02:24 PM
We need to create a new word to describe the system of government which the US has evolved into.
It's kind of like fascism, but with left-leaning ideologies, is anti-nationalist, and focuses on the destruction rather than the preservation of traditional social and moral values.
What does one call such a system?
It's kind of like fascism, but with left-leaning ideologies, is anti-nationalist, and focuses on the destruction rather than the preservation of traditional social and moral values.
What does one call such a system?
As such, isn't it fun to find out all this new information about the FBI? They're the Stasi, and the 87,000 new IRS agents will be auditioning to be the new Brown Shirts of our time.
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06-02-2023, 03:41 PM
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Look at Italy and Germany in the mid 20th century. They absolutely did not believe in the inherent equality of all people. That's a highly anti-leftist characteristic.
Both the Italian and German governments recognized private ownership of capitol, were supportive of corporations, and were not friendly to unions. Anti-leftist.
Both were highly nationalist and expansionist, which of course resulted in a bit of a slight war. Anti-leftist.
The US is... kind of a weird amalgam of forms of government. We're starting to embrace some of the "bad" parts of modern fascism (censorship, authoritarianism, endorsement of violence as a tool to suppress political opposition) while rejecting what might be deemed the "good" parts (nationalism, anti-communism, preservation of moral & social values).
I cannot think of an existing word which describes that.
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06-02-2023, 04:06 PM
I foolishly looked to the internet to try and find a graph that would give a clear representation between the ideologies. It doesn't exist. What does is misinformation and half-truths, like the first Replublican-**** "comparison" at the top. The next two graphs are as close as I could come, without spending my day on this exercise. But every one-word description listed requires paragraphs of nuance.
You can always win an argument with me by saying that the Republicans are just like the Democrats. You must know that by now. That's the magnet that attracts so many to Trump. He could literally split the earth and rise from lava with horns on his head, and if he said that he was going to "drain the swamp", people would vote for him.
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