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A questions for fellow Colorado comrades or comrades from other states that have legalized marijuana. Michigan is having a vote on legalization this November. This morning NPR ran a piece regarding the increase violent crime and homelessness after legalization - what is your take?
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A questions for fellow Colorado comrades or comrades from other states that have legalized marijuana. Michigan is having a vote on legalization this November. This morning NPR ran a piece regarding the increase violent crime and homelessness after legalization - what is your take?
This should be easy.
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I read an NPR story from a few months ago and the general takeaway was:
Overall drug related crime in the US and Mexico is down by ~13%. Colorado and California are seeing increases in home invasion and robbery from people coming from states wear it's still illegal.
The Feds just need to make it legal across the country, period.
Overall drug related crime in the US and Mexico is down by ~13%. Colorado and California are seeing increases in home invasion and robbery from people coming from states wear it's still illegal.
The Feds just need to make it legal across the country, period.
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A questions for fellow Colorado comrades or comrades from other states that have legalized marijuana. Michigan is having a vote on legalization this November. This morning NPR ran a piece regarding the increase violent crime and homelessness after legalization - what is your take?
Bad.
Lots of homeless idiots who "came here for the pot". Which makes no sense because legal pot is probably 3x more expensive than buying illegally. IDK about violent crime statistics but there are more homeless in Colorado Springs since pot was legalized and the economy is doing way better than 4 years ago when I moved here.
Went to Portland a month ago for a wedding where pot is fully decriminalized? Never seen so many homeless people in my life... BUT since a number of states have already legalized it- Michigan will probably be fine. Being the first or one of the first states was not good.
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Crime is definitely up in CO. People getting cars stolen, break-ins, even license plate thefts are all skyrocketing. Homelessness has doubled in the past 4 years or something I read. Partly its due to pot, but CO was already one of the fastest growing states before legalization, and that just increased the amount of people moving here. We are going through growing pains for sure, most of CO you never had to lock your doors just 10 years ago. The homelessness is mostly a lifestyle choice from what I see, lots of tent people and college age people with dogs.
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It is not yet "legal" here in Oklahoma but was decriminalized and is available for medical use with a prescription.
Sure is pissing off the local police and court system due to just being a ticket for a small amount.
A friend is a deputy and he told me they have had numerous meetings on how to maximize the money from other sources since in the future they can no longer haul people in and obtain large fines and court costs from marijuana possession related stops.
The unofficial end result seems to be that they are being told to up the amount of tickets they write for traffic related offenses to make up for the revenue shortfall and to write up every possible marijuana offense without cutting anybody slack.
Mostly the feel I got from casual conversations with him is that they are playing it by ear and trying to make sure they have an "excuse" when doing stops so they don't become YouTube famous.
It is too early to see if crime has been affected.
Thankfully Oklahoma is not very popular with homeless types due to the hot summers and cold winters.
Much nicer climate along the west coast.
Sure is pissing off the local police and court system due to just being a ticket for a small amount.
A friend is a deputy and he told me they have had numerous meetings on how to maximize the money from other sources since in the future they can no longer haul people in and obtain large fines and court costs from marijuana possession related stops.
The unofficial end result seems to be that they are being told to up the amount of tickets they write for traffic related offenses to make up for the revenue shortfall and to write up every possible marijuana offense without cutting anybody slack.
Mostly the feel I got from casual conversations with him is that they are playing it by ear and trying to make sure they have an "excuse" when doing stops so they don't become YouTube famous.
It is too early to see if crime has been affected.
Thankfully Oklahoma is not very popular with homeless types due to the hot summers and cold winters.
Much nicer climate along the west coast.
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Crime is definitely up in CO. People getting cars stolen, break-ins, even license plate thefts are all skyrocketing. Homelessness has doubled in the past 4 years or something I read. Partly its due to pot, but CO was already one of the fastest growing states before legalization, and that just increased the amount of people moving here. We are going through growing pains for sure, most of CO you never had to lock your doors just 10 years ago. The homelessness is mostly a lifestyle choice from what I see, lots of tent people and college age people with dogs.
It is not yet "legal" here in Oklahoma but was decriminalized and is available for medical use with a prescription.
Sure is pissing off the local police and court system due to just being a ticket for a small amount.
A friend is a deputy and he told me they have had numerous meetings on how to maximize the money from other sources since in the future they can no longer haul people in and obtain large fines and court costs from marijuana possession related stops.
The unofficial end result seems to be that they are being told to up the amount of tickets they write for traffic related offenses to make up for the revenue shortfall and to write up every possible marijuana offense without cutting anybody slack.
It is too early to see if crime has been affected.
Thankfully Oklahoma is not very popular with homeless types due to the hot summers and cold winters.
Much nicer climate along the west coast.
Sure is pissing off the local police and court system due to just being a ticket for a small amount.
A friend is a deputy and he told me they have had numerous meetings on how to maximize the money from other sources since in the future they can no longer haul people in and obtain large fines and court costs from marijuana possession related stops.
The unofficial end result seems to be that they are being told to up the amount of tickets they write for traffic related offenses to make up for the revenue shortfall and to write up every possible marijuana offense without cutting anybody slack.
It is too early to see if crime has been affected.
Thankfully Oklahoma is not very popular with homeless types due to the hot summers and cold winters.
Much nicer climate along the west coast.
https://okcfox.com/news/local/police...ana-possession
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We are also a very firearm friendly state. Homeless people here don't last, it gets too cold.
It's also legal here already if you pay your $75 for a card.
The people voted against having it for sale to the public once already.
It's also legal here already if you pay your $75 for a card.
The people voted against having it for sale to the public once already.
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Ok you're right I'm sorry. Crime isn't literally onboard a rocket going into orbit. I misspoke. https://www.denverpost.com/2017/07/1...r-murder-rate/
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Ok you're right I'm sorry. Crime isn't literally onboard a rocket going into orbit. I misspoke. https://www.denverpost.com/2017/07/1...r-murder-rate/
"CBI officials indicated they can’t offer an analysis about why crime increased in the state. Denver police did not return a phone message. But state lawmakers, county prosecutors and police chiefs offered a lot of perspective."
Correlation, causation, all that jazz.
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don't do the accusing, if you cant do the testimony.
that's not how the FBI works...the FBI doesn't investigate made-up assault accusations.
DEVELOPING STORY: AFTER THE SENATE DELAYED A VOTE ON KAVANAUGH TO ALLOW HIS ACCUSER TO TESTIFY, THE ACCUSER REFUSES, DEMANDING ANOTHER DELAY
By Kevin Ryan
Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh’s sexual assault accuser is refusing an offer to testify under oath next week before the Senate Judiciary Committee. Lawyers for Christine Blasey Ford, a 51-year-old professor in California, say she won’t testify without an FBI investigation of the alleged incident.
Ford has offered nearly nothing to corroborate her accusations. She says she does not recall what year the incident took place, who owned the house where it occurred, how she came to be there, or how the gathering was arranged.
The FBI has been hesitant to step in to investigate the matter given the lack of evidence offered by the accuser, jurisdictional considerations, and the statute of limitations. “The FBI does not do investigations like this,” said Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, a former chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee.
Judge Kavanaugh says he categorically denies the incident took place, and that he never attended such a gathering, and doesn’t know Ford. He has offered to testify to this under oath, and will do so on Monday, regardless of whether Ford shows up.
“The invitation for Monday still stands,“ Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Chuck Grassley said in a statement. “Nothing the FBI or any other investigator does would have any bearing on what Dr. Ford tells the committee.”
By Kevin Ryan
Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh’s sexual assault accuser is refusing an offer to testify under oath next week before the Senate Judiciary Committee. Lawyers for Christine Blasey Ford, a 51-year-old professor in California, say she won’t testify without an FBI investigation of the alleged incident.
Ford has offered nearly nothing to corroborate her accusations. She says she does not recall what year the incident took place, who owned the house where it occurred, how she came to be there, or how the gathering was arranged.
The FBI has been hesitant to step in to investigate the matter given the lack of evidence offered by the accuser, jurisdictional considerations, and the statute of limitations. “The FBI does not do investigations like this,” said Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, a former chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee.
Judge Kavanaugh says he categorically denies the incident took place, and that he never attended such a gathering, and doesn’t know Ford. He has offered to testify to this under oath, and will do so on Monday, regardless of whether Ford shows up.
“The invitation for Monday still stands,“ Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Chuck Grassley said in a statement. “Nothing the FBI or any other investigator does would have any bearing on what Dr. Ford tells the committee.”
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