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Sooo lets eliminate the military, the local police, the fire department, highways, bridges, postal service, OSHA, public landfills, farm subsidies, EPA, CDC, social security, public schools, prison system, public parks, food stamps, sewer system, medicare, fda... shall i go on?
Sooo lets eliminate the military, the local police, the fire department, highways, bridges, postal service, OSHA, public landfills, farm subsidies, EPA, CDC, social security, public schools, prison system, public parks, food stamps, sewer system, medicare, fda... shall i go on?
If you were running for a major public office on this platform, you would have my vote.
If you were running for a major public office on this platform, you would have my vote.
Seconded. But then again politicians will promise anything in the primaries and then water it down when they get to the general election. Then they do even less once elected.
Sooo lets eliminate the military, the local police, the fire department, highways, bridges, postal service, OSHA, public landfills, farm subsidies, EPA, CDC, social security, public schools, prison system, public parks, food stamps, sewer system, medicare, fda... shall i go on?
That's not socialism. But cute though: the default leftist rebuttal...
Where's the military now? Uhm, the military are usually the ones that cause this. As is the case in Syria, where the Syrian government is waging war against Syrian civilians, in Syria.
Wait a sec... Is a Liberal suggesting that US needs to militarily intervene in the affairs of a soverign country?
I wish folks would have been more honest with blue collar workers and accept the fact that automation has decimated that class of workers. Also, instead of various unnecessary tactics, just use the funds generated by Tarriffs (for example) to retrain the workforce into new roles. We all know China isn't paying for those tarriffs....
Atleast that way, you are indirectly stimulating the economy and also, allowing the same manufacturers/American citizens who indirectly paid to train these works, turn around and hire the very same workers.
Win win. However, that is not as sexy as a sound bite as "Mexico is going to pay for the wall" or "China is going to pay for the tarriffs!"
While you do sound like one of those gentle folks that is triggered by simple things like monitoring our borders so that we can choose which people enter our country, I am reminded of the Liberal Rose Colored glass view of everything. Automation hasn't decimated any class of workers. Although, if a class was decimated, it was the class of worker that could only carry the raw material to the machine so that it could be machined. Have you ever been around a factory? I have. The unskilled are laborers. Easily replaced and easily trained. Those that learn the trade and become more valuable move up the ranks and farther away from those scary automated robot machines.
It isn't the government's job to train the people. That might be how it works in your beloved Russia and China, but not in a Capitalist country that is successful.
However on the flip side for all this; if the tarriffs end up failing, that revenue generation has dried up, as well as the US steel manufacturing industry. A double gut punch :(
Solid article ?! great journalism from NPR "those terrible Trump tarriffs because Trump is so awful and bad". Hey, I'll just make the casual comment that you are working WAY too hard to prove to yourself that the current US economy is anything but fan-fricking-tastic. It is time for you to stop drinking the MSM Kool-Aid. It is basic common sense that if it's cheaper to manufacture something in China because there are no constraints to China selling their goods in the US, the jobs go to China. So, change the tariffs for incoming goods from China and suddenly, it becomes feasible to manufacture at home again. Jobs come home, more US citizens get jobs. There was NEVER any implication that Tariffs (that apparently you don't want = even though eery country imposes them on the US) were supposed to be used to pay American workers for "re-training". You want to be retrained; go get a new job. Christ. Have you ever picked up en economics book?
Tariffs are always a bad idea. They increase the costs to our consumers for no real benefit. Our workers should move to jobs of more value to the market or resources are being squandered.
Go easy, Dave. You are getting a bit personal with Ralli.
While you do sound like one of those gentle folks that is triggered by simple things like monitoring our borders so that we can choose which people enter our country, I am reminded of the Liberal Rose Colored glass view of everything. Automation hasn't decimated any class of workers. Although, if a class was decimated, it was the class of worker that could only carry the raw material to the machine so that it could be machined. Have you ever been around a factory? I have. The unskilled are laborers. Easily replaced and easily trained. Those that learn the trade and become more valuable move up the ranks and farther away from those scary automated robot machines.
It isn't the government's job to train the people. That might be how it works in your beloved Russia and China, but not in a Capitalist country that is successful.
Solid article ?! great journalism from NPR "those terrible Trump tarriffs because Trump is so awful and bad". Hey, I'll just make the casual comment that you are working WAY too hard to prove to yourself that the current US economy is anything but fan-fricking-tastic. It is time for you to stop drinking the MSM Kool-Aid. It is basic common sense that if it's cheaper to manufacture something in China because there are no constraints to China selling their goods in the US, the jobs go to China. So, change the tariffs for incoming goods from China and suddenly, it becomes feasible to manufacture at home again. Jobs come home, more US citizens get jobs. There was NEVER any implication that Tariffs (that apparently you don't want = even though eery country imposes them on the US) were supposed to be used to pay American workers for "re-training". You want to be retrained; go get a new job. Christ. Have you ever picked up en economics book?
Nothing about liberal perspective and all about providing for the working class folks and in turn the economy. I guess having an idea and how to properly leverage tariffs, which the consumer ends up paying is a bad thing?? PS The article is from PBS, not NPR. The article provides the actual numbers for how the tariffs has affected the US consumers and manufacturers (with a focus on the steel industry), not just voicing an opinion. Vastly different from how you choose to characterize my post. If you actually took the time to read the article as opposed to just dismissing, then we would be able to have a legitimate discussion yet here we are......
And no, charging tariffs doesn't instantly create jobs. Manufacturers just move to another country which has cheap labor (and why goods are MUCH cheaper to manufacturer than in the US). The US has unions, health insurance and labor laws.........China, Taiwan or Vietnam has NONE of that. Or, they just pass the price to the consumers. Lose lose for the blue collar workers.
Also see why your produce and goods are cheap; illegal/cheap labor. That's why it baffles me that conservatives lash out against "illegal immigration" when a fair amount of illegal immigrants are hired by these same farms and produce manufacturers that are in heavily conservative states......as opposed to actual addressing the problem of immigration in general. Without illegal immigrants, milk wouldn't be $3.29 a gallon, but more like $6 or $7 a gallon because it would cost so much more to produce. You do not need an economic degree to know basic algebra.
Again, automation and cheap labor has decimated the working class population. Tariffs have zero effect on either.
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