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03-26-2020, 08:25 PM
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Because I honestly "don't know that," as you say. I agree that government, as a broad generalization, tends to be dysfunctional, but I don't see how that extends to the concept of a capital-based economy. Not being sarcastic here, we seem to be speaking from different levels of presupposition, and therefore different biases and expectations.
So far as I can tell from direct observation, the "capitalist system" is responding very efficiently to consumer demand, and delivering the goods required by the people at present.
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03-27-2020, 08:01 AM
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I heard Trump flew to China, after he imposed a travel ban from China on 1/31/2020 [conviently missing from your table above], and personally brought the virus back to the states and infected everyone.
He is acutally playing 4D. He wanted to hurry up and spread the virus quickly, so it just goes ahead and runs the course, then while the rest of the world is self-isolating, Americans move on with life and our economy booms as we are first back to normal.
Also missing from your table:
12/15/2020 Chuck Schumer suggests a 1/6/2020 impeachment trial date
12/18/2020 Nancy Peolsi says she may not deliver impeachment articles
1/9/2020 Nancy Peolsi says she will deliver impeachment articles to Senate "soon"
1/10/2020 Nancy Peolsi says she will deliver impeachment articles to Senate next week
1/15/2020 Nancy Peolsi finally signs and delivers impeachment articles
1/18/2020 House managers release a 111-page non-fiction story full of exotic adjectives
1/18/2020 Media can't stop talking about "new evidence"
1/22/2020 Impeach trial starts
1/23/2020 Media can't stop talking about John Bolton
1/26/2020 Media cant stop talking about Kobe beef
1/29/2020 Trump announces a Coronavirus Task Force
1/31/2020 The NYT publishes "leaks" from Bolton's book
1/31/2020 Trump Restricts travel from China to the US and declares a public health emergency in the US
1/31/2020 The US evacuates 200 U.S. citizens from China
1/31/2020 Trump personally brings virus back to the states and infects everyone
1/31/2020 Media cannot stop talking about trial witnesses
2/3/2020 closing arguments
2/4/2020 Mulvaney brief lawmakers on Capitol Hill. Mulvaney criticized the low turnout, saying only “five senators” and about a dozen House members showed up.
2/5/2020 the impeachment charade finally over
2/24/2020 WH requests $2,500,000,000 to deal with Coronavirus
2/29/2020 Trump's rethoric on Coronoavirus changes from "we good" to more serious, but still urges everyone stay calm and don't overreact
3/6/2020 House Bill H.R. 6074 - Coronavirus Preparedness and Response Supplemental Appropriations Act, 2020 becomes law
3/16/2020 Media focuses on Trump's "racism"
3/18/2020 H.R.6201 - Families First Coronavirus Response Act becomes law
3/18/2020 Media focuses on Trump's "racism"
3/19/2020 Senate introduces Senate Bill S. 3548 - CARES Act
3/19/2020 Media focuses on Trump's "racism"
3/21/2020 Nancy Pelosi Tanks Relief Bill
3/22/2020 Nancy Pelosi Tanks Relief Bill again
3/2/2020 Media blames republicans for failure to pass
3/23/2020 Nancy Pelosi finds the 1432 page Green New Deal bill in a drawer, retitles it, and introduces it
3/24/2020 Nancy Pelosi expects bipartisan support of the Green New Deal
3/25/2020 Green new deal and copypasta into Senate Bill
3/26/2020 Green New Deal passes
Fodder:
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/28/trum...m-markets.html
Also: I'm pretty much convinced this virus made its first round in Oct/November 2019.
He is acutally playing 4D. He wanted to hurry up and spread the virus quickly, so it just goes ahead and runs the course, then while the rest of the world is self-isolating, Americans move on with life and our economy booms as we are first back to normal.
Also missing from your table:
12/15/2020 Chuck Schumer suggests a 1/6/2020 impeachment trial date
12/18/2020 Nancy Peolsi says she may not deliver impeachment articles
1/9/2020 Nancy Peolsi says she will deliver impeachment articles to Senate "soon"
1/10/2020 Nancy Peolsi says she will deliver impeachment articles to Senate next week
1/15/2020 Nancy Peolsi finally signs and delivers impeachment articles
1/18/2020 House managers release a 111-page non-fiction story full of exotic adjectives
1/18/2020 Media can't stop talking about "new evidence"
1/22/2020 Impeach trial starts
1/23/2020 Media can't stop talking about John Bolton
1/26/2020 Media cant stop talking about Kobe beef
1/29/2020 Trump announces a Coronavirus Task Force
1/31/2020 The NYT publishes "leaks" from Bolton's book
1/31/2020 Trump Restricts travel from China to the US and declares a public health emergency in the US
1/31/2020 The US evacuates 200 U.S. citizens from China
1/31/2020 Trump personally brings virus back to the states and infects everyone
1/31/2020 Media cannot stop talking about trial witnesses
2/3/2020 closing arguments
2/4/2020 Mulvaney brief lawmakers on Capitol Hill. Mulvaney criticized the low turnout, saying only “five senators” and about a dozen House members showed up.
2/5/2020 the impeachment charade finally over
2/24/2020 WH requests $2,500,000,000 to deal with Coronavirus
2/29/2020 Trump's rethoric on Coronoavirus changes from "we good" to more serious, but still urges everyone stay calm and don't overreact
3/6/2020 House Bill H.R. 6074 - Coronavirus Preparedness and Response Supplemental Appropriations Act, 2020 becomes law
3/16/2020 Media focuses on Trump's "racism"
3/18/2020 H.R.6201 - Families First Coronavirus Response Act becomes law
3/18/2020 Media focuses on Trump's "racism"
3/19/2020 Senate introduces Senate Bill S. 3548 - CARES Act
3/19/2020 Media focuses on Trump's "racism"
3/21/2020 Nancy Pelosi Tanks Relief Bill
3/22/2020 Nancy Pelosi Tanks Relief Bill again
3/2/2020 Media blames republicans for failure to pass
3/23/2020 Nancy Pelosi finds the 1432 page Green New Deal bill in a drawer, retitles it, and introduces it
3/24/2020 Nancy Pelosi expects bipartisan support of the Green New Deal
3/25/2020 Green new deal and copypasta into Senate Bill
3/26/2020 Green New Deal passes
Fodder:
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/28/trum...m-markets.html
White House chief of staff Mick Mulvaney suggested Friday that Americans ignore the media’s coverage of the coronavirus, arguing that journalists are ratcheting up fears to try to hurt President Donald Trump politically.
“Why didn’t you hear about it?” Mulvaney asked at CPAC. “What was still going on four or five weeks ago? Impeachment, and that’s all the press wanted to talk about.”
Also: I'm pretty much convinced this virus made its first round in Oct/November 2019.
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03-27-2020, 08:18 AM
Could you elaborate on this?
Because I honestly "don't know that," as you say. I agree that government, as a broad generalization, tends to be dysfunctional, but I don't see how that extends to the concept of a capital-based economy. Not being sarcastic here, we seem to be speaking from different levels of presupposition, and therefore different biases and expectations.
Because I honestly "don't know that," as you say. I agree that government, as a broad generalization, tends to be dysfunctional, but I don't see how that extends to the concept of a capital-based economy. Not being sarcastic here, we seem to be speaking from different levels of presupposition, and therefore different biases and expectations.
In times like this, in the middle of a global catastrophe, is when government is supposed to act in the interests of it’s populace to prevent undersupply of emergency supplies, it’s distribution, security and to prevent price gouging that typically occurs. One of the basic thoughts of capitalism is to price accounting for demand i.e. raise in high demands and vis a vis so at times like this, the system gets somewhat out of sync.
Now I assume you would say, in the case where FEMA is bidding against the individual states to procure emergency supplies, it’s the government that’s creating the problem (and I won’t disagree). But... someone needs to be the grown up in the room and, in my humble opinion, the capitalists need to step up in the general interest.
Now, when you have a capitalist running the government, who’s greatest contribution to capitalism is using the bankruptcy laws to **** his investors & taxpayers out of billions, and thinks the problem is that the states just aren’t “bidding high enough” (his words) against FEMA it exacerbates the supposed cooperation between government and business. In simpler terms... in return for letting you sell goods at a profit with minimal interference from us (govt), you agree to not **** over those same customers when things go bad. Or else.
Again, that’s my opinion.
My direct observation is it sucks at the moment at least in my area for those things you might need/want; toilet paper, disinfectant (or the ingredients to make your own) to name just a couple. Maybe they’re all going to the Chicago area.
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03-27-2020, 10:06 AM
So, after the government decided that $2T was an appropriate amount (for this round, stay tuned...) to stimulate us, spending $1B was somehow excessive!
After Considering $1 Billion Price Tag for Ventilators, White House Has Second Thoughts
"Government officials said that the deal might still happen but that they are examining at least a dozen other proposals. And they contend that an initial promise that the joint venture could turn out 20,000 ventilators in short order had shrunk to 7,500, with even that number in doubt. Longtime emergency managers at FEMA are working with military officials to sort through the competing offers and federal procurement rules while under pressure to give President Trump something to announce.But in an interview Thursday night with Sean Hannity, the president played down the need for ventilators.
“I don’t believe you need 40,000 or 30,000 ventilators,” he said, a reference to New York, where Gov. Andrew Cuomo has appealed for federal help in obtaining them. “You go into major hospitals sometimes, and they’ll have two ventilators. And now all of a sudden they’re saying, ‘Can we order 30,000 ventilators?’”"
No fears though as Jared is in the mix...
"At the center of the discussion about how to ramp up the production of ventilators is Jared Kushner, the president’s son-in-law and a senior White House aide, who has told people that he was called in two weeks ago by Vice President Mike Pence to produce more coronavirus test kits and who has now turned his attention to ventilators.
He has been directing officials at FEMA in the effort. Two officials said the suggestion to wait on the General Motors offer came from Col. Patrick Work, who is working at FEMA. Some government officials expressed concern about the possibility of ordering too many ventilators, leaving them with an expensive surplus."
After Considering $1 Billion Price Tag for Ventilators, White House Has Second Thoughts
"Government officials said that the deal might still happen but that they are examining at least a dozen other proposals. And they contend that an initial promise that the joint venture could turn out 20,000 ventilators in short order had shrunk to 7,500, with even that number in doubt. Longtime emergency managers at FEMA are working with military officials to sort through the competing offers and federal procurement rules while under pressure to give President Trump something to announce.But in an interview Thursday night with Sean Hannity, the president played down the need for ventilators.
“I don’t believe you need 40,000 or 30,000 ventilators,” he said, a reference to New York, where Gov. Andrew Cuomo has appealed for federal help in obtaining them. “You go into major hospitals sometimes, and they’ll have two ventilators. And now all of a sudden they’re saying, ‘Can we order 30,000 ventilators?’”"
No fears though as Jared is in the mix...
"At the center of the discussion about how to ramp up the production of ventilators is Jared Kushner, the president’s son-in-law and a senior White House aide, who has told people that he was called in two weeks ago by Vice President Mike Pence to produce more coronavirus test kits and who has now turned his attention to ventilators.
He has been directing officials at FEMA in the effort. Two officials said the suggestion to wait on the General Motors offer came from Col. Patrick Work, who is working at FEMA. Some government officials expressed concern about the possibility of ordering too many ventilators, leaving them with an expensive surplus."
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03-27-2020, 10:30 AM
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A billion dollars of government purchased ventilators may not be required. The government buys lots of things and then sells unused surplus for ten cents on the dollar after a few years. The market will dictate the proper amount to have better than a bureaucrat with no medical experience. And the market is already doing something better. It is innovating.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/vespe...b6cb08a929e7eb
03/26/2020
The Vesper, or ventilation expansion splitter, can be produced cheaply with a 3D printer, its creators said.A health care provider in South Carolina has created a device that allows a single ventilator to support up to four patients at a time ― a necessity during times of acute equipment shortages.
The Vesper, or ventilation expansion splitter, can be produced cheaply with a 3D printer, according to a press release by Prisma Health, the state’s largest health care provider. The Vesper attaches to the ventilator and splits out the oxygen to patients. It also allows the flow of oxygen to be adjusted and optimized for each person.
The idea for the device came from Dr. Sarah Farris, an emergency physician and faculty member at the University of South Carolina School of Medicine Greenville. She discussed the need for a ventilator expander with her husband, Ryan, a software engineer, and they designed the Vesper in concert with a pulmonologist, according to GreenvilleOnline.com.
The device was created last week and was approved for emergency use by the Federal Drug Administration on Monday.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/vespe...b6cb08a929e7eb
New Device May Allow Up To 4 People To Share 1 Ventilator
03/26/2020The Vesper, or ventilation expansion splitter, can be produced cheaply with a 3D printer, its creators said.A health care provider in South Carolina has created a device that allows a single ventilator to support up to four patients at a time ― a necessity during times of acute equipment shortages.
The Vesper, or ventilation expansion splitter, can be produced cheaply with a 3D printer, according to a press release by Prisma Health, the state’s largest health care provider. The Vesper attaches to the ventilator and splits out the oxygen to patients. It also allows the flow of oxygen to be adjusted and optimized for each person.
The idea for the device came from Dr. Sarah Farris, an emergency physician and faculty member at the University of South Carolina School of Medicine Greenville. She discussed the need for a ventilator expander with her husband, Ryan, a software engineer, and they designed the Vesper in concert with a pulmonologist, according to GreenvilleOnline.com.
The device was created last week and was approved for emergency use by the Federal Drug Administration on Monday.
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03-27-2020, 10:53 AM
A billion dollars of government purchased ventilators may not be required. The government buys lots of things and then sells unused surplus for ten cents on the dollar after a few years. The market will dictate the proper amount to have better than a bureaucrat with no medical experience. And the market is already doing something better. It is innovating.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/vespe...b6cb08a929e7eb
03/26/2020
The Vesper, or ventilation expansion splitter, can be produced cheaply with a 3D printer, its creators said.A health care provider in South Carolina has created a device that allows a single ventilator to support up to four patients at a time ― a necessity during times of acute equipment shortages.
The Vesper, or ventilation expansion splitter, can be produced cheaply with a 3D printer, according to a press release by Prisma Health, the state’s largest health care provider. The Vesper attaches to the ventilator and splits out the oxygen to patients. It also allows the flow of oxygen to be adjusted and optimized for each person.
The idea for the device came from Dr. Sarah Farris, an emergency physician and faculty member at the University of South Carolina School of Medicine Greenville. She discussed the need for a ventilator expander with her husband, Ryan, a software engineer, and they designed the Vesper in concert with a pulmonologist, according to GreenvilleOnline.com.
The device was created last week and was approved for emergency use by the Federal Drug Administration on Monday.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/vespe...b6cb08a929e7eb
New Device May Allow Up To 4 People To Share 1 Ventilator
03/26/2020The Vesper, or ventilation expansion splitter, can be produced cheaply with a 3D printer, its creators said.A health care provider in South Carolina has created a device that allows a single ventilator to support up to four patients at a time ― a necessity during times of acute equipment shortages.
The Vesper, or ventilation expansion splitter, can be produced cheaply with a 3D printer, according to a press release by Prisma Health, the state’s largest health care provider. The Vesper attaches to the ventilator and splits out the oxygen to patients. It also allows the flow of oxygen to be adjusted and optimized for each person.
The idea for the device came from Dr. Sarah Farris, an emergency physician and faculty member at the University of South Carolina School of Medicine Greenville. She discussed the need for a ventilator expander with her husband, Ryan, a software engineer, and they designed the Vesper in concert with a pulmonologist, according to GreenvilleOnline.com.
The device was created last week and was approved for emergency use by the Federal Drug Administration on Monday.
I used to have a couple customers who made howitzer shells and other projectiles. Spread over 4 plants they ran 24X7X52 making them. They all went into storage and maybe, for the most part, are still in storage. The qty made far exceeded any expectation they would be needed. And because these customers had a federal contract charged pretty much what they wanted. Maybe the government sold them off to Iraq (because at the time Saddam was our "friend"). Maybe spending money on wars trumps spending money to stop a pandemic.
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03-27-2020, 11:09 AM
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The Vesper, or ventilation expansion splitter, can be produced cheaply with a 3D printer, its creators said.A health care provider in South Carolina has created a device that allows a single ventilator to support up to four patients at a time ― a necessity during times of acute equipment shortages.
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03-27-2020, 11:42 AM
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I see no way in which this causes the market for ventilators to vanish. It merely increases the productivity of each new ventilator which is produced. The article quotes up to a 1x4 split possible, which means that given projected requirements, the demand for new ventilators will still exceed supply until this specific crisis has abated.
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03-27-2020, 11:47 AM
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I see no way in which this causes the market for ventilators to vanish. It merely increases the productivity of each new ventilator which is produced. The article quotes up to a 1x4 split possible, which means that given projected requirements, the demand for new ventilators will still exceed supply until this specific crisis has abated.
I see no way in which this causes the market for ventilators to vanish. It merely increases the productivity of each new ventilator which is produced. The article quotes up to a 1x4 split possible, which means that given projected requirements, the demand for new ventilators will still exceed supply until this specific crisis has abated.
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03-27-2020, 11:51 AM
Change the subject while we're confined to quarters...
I used to be somewhat addicted to MS Flight Simulator but got away from it. Following the latest updates for the new version and I'm floored with the capabilities. Hopefully it actually gets released!
Of note, apparently it's still pre-alpha!
I used to be somewhat addicted to MS Flight Simulator but got away from it. Following the latest updates for the new version and I'm floored with the capabilities. Hopefully it actually gets released!
Of note, apparently it's still pre-alpha!
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03-27-2020, 06:17 PM
How would you handle the idea that you have to work every weekend? Every *single* weekend? As in "there's always some critical **** that if it doesn't get done then somebody is going to die" critical ****? When does triple88a take a few hours to prioritize triple88a?
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