Don't be surprised if the e85 doesn't improve the spool RPM, might actually hurt it. I haven't been able to find any direct discussion on the topic, but e85 has a lower EGT, and the turbo is harvesting heat energy.
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Originally Posted by Ted75zcar
(Post 1396386)
Don't be surprised if the e85 doesn't improve the spool RPM, might actually hurt it. I haven't been able to find any direct discussion on the topic, but e85 has a lower EGT, and the turbo is harvesting heat energy.
If not the thing's going to be a slug when I bolt on a potato. Maybe 2560r. Different thread for that haha |
Same amount of air for more fuel.
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We'll see after a decent pair of id1000's come up for sale in the classifieds
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You dont need ID1000 for a 2554r. Kinda overkill
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Everyone needs ID1000.
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If the ID100's are cheap, why not? They'll idle a stock NA6 better than OEM injectors. Headroom to run 240whp that a NB head will make on E85 at NA fuel pressure. I say do it if they are a bargain. If not a bargain, I'd go Deatchwerks 450's or Denso yellow 440's.
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Originally Posted by Ted75zcar
(Post 1396392)
Same amount of air for more fuel.
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Originally Posted by Lexzar
(Post 1396468)
Everyone needs ID1000.
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Originally Posted by Savington
(Post 1396476)
E85 is oxygenated, so there's effectively more air. Empirically, E85 does not hurt spool.
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Originally Posted by emilio700
(Post 1396473)
If the ID100's are cheap, why not? They'll idle a stock NA6 better than OEM injectors. Headroom to run 240whp that a NB head will make on E85 at NA fuel pressure. I say do it if they are a bargain. If not a bargain, I'd go Deatchwerks 450's or Denso yellow 440's.
now with the 1000s at 20 psi my duty cycle is around 55%. So there is enough left for future plans |
Originally Posted by Vincentmiata
(Post 1396463)
You dont need ID1000 for a 2554r. Kinda overkill
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Originally Posted by Ted75zcar
(Post 1396480)
fascinating ... had not considered the oxygenation component. Would still love to see an apples to apples comparison (which may not be fair due to flame front speed) with turbine inlet pressures and EGTs recorded. May be more proper to compare MBT tuning, but that introduces a fair amount on complex interaction churn. I will actually be in a position to take this measurement at some point here this summer (hopefully ...).
You get more power from E85 because it's got higher octane (so you can advance the timing/run more boost and thus turn more of the heat energy into useful work), and because it's got a higher H/C ratio than gasoline does. Combining oxygen with hydrogen releases more energy than combining it with carbon does, so for a given amount of input oxygen (which is ultimately what displacement, boost, VE, etc are all about), you want to maximize the amount of H you burn. Methanol is better than ethanol, and pure hydrogen is even better than that. High performance rocket engines burn liquid hydrogen with liquid oxygen, partly for this reason. What that means for spool -- more timing means more energy in the piston, meaning less in the exhaust for the turbine to use. OTOH, more energy in the piston means the engine accelerates through the RPM band faster, meaning it gets to the higher-flow revs sooner, and the higher H/C ratio giving more energy overall means that even if you're getting a lower percentage of it in the turbine it's coming out of a larger total. Empirically, as Savington says, it doesn't really make a significant difference either way, so who cares. --Ian |
Have to say, I fucking love the scientifically way of saying "it doesn't matter" that's why this forum is great.
Side note, a buddy just made 430whp on his built KA24 with e85 on ID1000 at 70psi base fuel pressure then 90% duty cycle peak and it idles better than my FFI. |
Engine: 99 1.8l
Turbo: GT3076R 56 .60 A/R Manifold: BEGi CastExt. Wastgate Downpipe Size/Style: Single tube 2.5" Exhaust Size: 2.5" Exhaust Components: Resonator & Magnaflow Muffler Intercooler Core Size: BEGI #2 Intake Manifold: Stock Headwork: unknown Engine Management: Hydra Other Spoolin' Helpers/Hurters: Basically FM plumbing Trans & Rear End Ratio: 5-speed, 4.1 LSD Rear tire size: 225/45/15 Fith GEAR PULL: RPM Boost(psi) 2700 0 2800 .6 2900 1.8 3000 1.8 3100 2.4 3200 3 3300 3.7 3400 4.9 3500 5.5 3600 6.1 3700 7.3 3800 8.6 3900 9.7 4000 10.4 4100 11 4200 12.9 4300 14.1 4400 15.3 4500 17.2 4600 17.3 4700 18 Long spool? |
Forever, and quite linear. Is that BB or journal? For real Garrett or eBay?
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start the pulls at 2k not 3
get 3" exhaust like discussed in your thread intercooler is likely choking too |
Originally Posted by 18psi
(Post 1422607)
start the pulls at 2k not 3
get 3" exhaust like discussed in your thread intercooler is likely choking too Talked to Abe today, so a 3" is on the way. The intercooler never crossed my mind. |
Originally Posted by m2cupcar
(Post 1422603)
Forever, and quite linear. Is that BB or journal?
Originally Posted by m2cupcar
(Post 1422603)
For real Garrett or eBay?
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Originally Posted by miataman04
(Post 1422681)
I will redo my pull
Talked to Abe today, so a 3" is on the way. The intercooler never crossed my mind. --Ian |
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