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AbeFM 01-22-2013 03:02 AM

Leafy, want to dump your stuff in there? That'll be a good start...

Leafy 01-22-2013 08:30 AM

Yeah, I forgot to do that after work yesterday. I'll try to remember to do it today.

Miater 01-22-2013 03:36 PM

To whom it may concern,

I was looking for the coil pack connector for my 99. I found a guy on my local forum that was into Lemons, time attack, NASA and what ever else. He was parting with all of his Miata stuff to get into IROC. He said if i want the connector I had to take it all. So now I have a box full of old harnesses. I haven't gone through it yet but it looks to be 3-4 cars worth of engine harnesses. ABS computers, fuse blocks, clips and connectors as far as the eye can see. If you would like me to take pics, measure, count pins or what ever, let me know.

Ps; all for sale if you would like to buy connectors.

AbeFM 01-23-2013 03:02 PM

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Ok, this is making more sense after looking at it.


Originally Posted by Leafy (Post 960729)
And a moon shot, the CAS side connector (would make the NB cam/crank sensors PNP)

At the risk of extreme thread drift, what on earth are you talking about? You want to run NB sensors on an NA motor, or, the other way around, or???


Originally Posted by Leafy (Post 960729)
VICS noid Sumitomo HX 2 pin (non-bottom rib) I'm not 100 percent on this one but it seems most likely.



Originally Posted by Leafy (Post 960729)
VVT actuator, Drawing a blank on this one. Heres the best picture of it I got And another Linked to avoid clutter.



Originally Posted by Leafy (Post 960729)
Cam sensors are made by delphi, I cant find the mating part best images here
Crank is a sumitomo 3P090WP-DL-M

Cam and Crank sensors are made by stacks upon stacks of people, there are at least three different manufacturers. I've cut a few apart. :-) Not sure how this helps. :-)


Originally Posted by Leafy (Post 960729)
TPS, not sure if this is even different, post from savington on the swap wiring alludes to it. IAC is also being tricky, cant find either.Heres a picture of both Idle Air solenoid



Originally Posted by Leafy (Post 960729)
CAS connector is a sumitomo DL series and would be called 4P090WP-DL-M if it existed since the harness side is a 4P090WP-DL-F. I might have to call on that one and get lucky.
01+ COP harness connector = 3P090WP-DL-F

I think I'm starting to get this - I'm sometimes unsure about which side you're talking about!


Originally Posted by Leafy (Post 960729)
So any help here would be great. I have a gut feeling that Joe already knows all of these connectors. Worst comes to worst I cut the connectors out of a scrap harness then figure out what they are so I can buy new pins and re-pin them.

Heh - no, sadly Joe Does Not Know (way better than some WWJD bracelet)... The more I poke around, the less I find people who know.

I am giving a lot more thought to just re-pinning the connectors I have, then all I need to know is who made them and what series they are.... But repinning leads to breaking, so it'll come up anyway.

AbeFM 01-23-2013 03:09 PM

Ok, just went out and took a few shots of all the connectors I could reasonably get to on the car in pajamas. Why I wouldn't change out of PJs for a project like this is as ridiculous as asking why a grown, educated man isn't at WORK 10 till at noon on a wednesday.

See pics here: MiataConnectorImages - AbeFM's Photos

That said, several of the connectors have small, 2-3 digit numbers on them. As likely date codes as part number look ups, but maybe it's a place to start? Some of them are keyed, I tired to show these where possible.

pics are still uploading, and I'll have to reorder them and comment on each photo to describe what it is. Anyway, this should be a big step forward.

Notable connectors I couldn't get:
Ignition connector - no idea where the coil pack or wires are. COP FTW
Water Temp Connector - after my reroute, it would take serious effort to get to it.
Speedometer Cable - would require jacks and I could break a nail or muss my hair.
Alternator Control Plug - would love to have this, certainly something needed. Likely get it next time I'm out in garage.
99+ MAF - it's currently living on a friend's turbocharged R1 powered sandrail as a way for us to develop code on a new EMS. Not driving to AZ to snap pics of it.
Charcoal canister, break switches, etc etc....

Someone mentioned perhaps getting some pics - I would put these on the top of the list:
Water Temp
Coil Pack
Alternator
MAF

Try to get good, IN FOCUS pictures, especially of any keying and any numbers/letters. You can PM me and I'll host them on my site.
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1358971370

http://abefm.smugmug.com/Miata/Refer..._112623-X2.jpg

Leafy 01-23-2013 03:38 PM


Originally Posted by AbeFM (Post 971275)
Ok, this is making more sense after looking at it.


At the risk of extreme thread drift, what on earth are you talking about? You want to run NB sensors on an NA motor, or, the other way around, or???

It would be so you could make a pnp harness for putting an NB engine into an NA chassis, at least on the cam/crank sensor side of things.

AbeFM 01-23-2013 03:52 PM

What about on the other side? The NA computer won't run it anyway?

Leafy 01-23-2013 03:59 PM


Originally Posted by AbeFM (Post 971307)
What about on the other side? The NA computer won't run it anyway?

Its assuming you have some sort of standalone ecu that is already wired for the NA connector, so it would just require a software change between the two types of triggers. Would basically minimize the mount of cutting I would need to do. Not a big deal, I'll just have to cut that connector off and replace it with a weather pack that goes to both sensors.

Joe Perez 01-23-2013 04:04 PM


Originally Posted by AbeFM (Post 971279)

Is it just my imagination, or is that the word "AMP" on the back of that connector?

If it's a coincidence, it's a heck of a coincidence.

Leafy 01-23-2013 04:07 PM

I can only make out the J13, but I am using the poverty monitors at work.

AbeFM 01-23-2013 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe Perez (Post 971314)
Is it just my imagination, or is that the word "AMP" on the back of that connector?

If it's a coincidence, it's a heck of a coincidence.

My thoughts exactly.



Originally Posted by Leafy (Post 971315)
I can only make out the J13, but I am using the poverty monitors at work.

Sure, there's also a "2". If you check out the you'll find pics like
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1358975727

and
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1358975727

masterfully focused by clicking on the screen of phone before taking picture so it knew what I was talking about.

Of course, most of the numbers are quite a bit more useless, that one sensor (quite possibly made by Amp) has more writing on it than the rest of the car put together.

This amp connector:
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1358975727
clearly has information on it.

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1358975727


But the sumi-stuff... https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1358975727

e16 is the best I can find.

Zaphod 01-24-2013 01:36 AM

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I was looking for a male connector to build a PNP-IAT harness:

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1358975727

This seems to be an Toyota connector:

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1359011299

Part.-Nr. 90980-11163

But what make could this be...? As we need the male part of that...

EDIT:

O.K. Here we go - it made by YAZAKI Part.-Nr. 7283-1224-10 http://connectors-catalog.sys.yzk.co...list&select=05
(Found it here - this could be a good source for some of the part.-numbers: New United Race Tech, New United Race Tech

http://connectors-catalog.sys.yzk.co...283122410s.jpg

There is no - "Mating Part Numbers" - so I guess there is no male connector for this... (I have a spare Air temp sensor, so I am going to use this)

This one is also a Toyota Connector:
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1358975727

Also made by Yazaki Part.-Nr. 7283-1133-10

http://connectors-catalog.sys.yzk.co...283113310s.jpg

Here are the details:
YAZAKI Connectors Catalog

AbeFM 01-24-2013 07:04 PM

Zaphod - Excellent work! Please PM me your email, you could add to the spreadsheet. There's tons more pics on the website. I can post more a couple at a time and we can work on them... I want to get it filled out.

I talked to the dude at Eastern Beaver, and he said he'd be open to ordering more connectors from the same lines, so we need to get that spreadsheet done.... This should be a totally tackleable problem.

Twibs415 01-24-2013 10:46 PM

2-Way Receptacle Kit

looks like 99+ IAC connector. anyone confirm?

Zaphod 01-25-2013 03:38 AM

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Some more:

This one - CAM sensor(?)

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1359103106

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1359103106

Is also YAZAKI Par.-Nr. 7283-8730-30

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1359111312

YAZAKI Connectors Catalog


And some more:

This one - (What sensor is it?)

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1359109411

Should be a Sumitomo DL sealed Series Part No. 6195-0006 (please check this - I am not entirely sure because of the tongue in the middle of the male connector)
http://swsct.sws.co.jp/components/en..._s=61950006dls

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1359110073

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1359110073

Here we go again:

Crank position Sensor

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1359116496

Also a Sumitomo DL sealed series
http://swsct.sws.co.jp/components/en..._s=61950012dls

Male connector Part.-Nr. 6195-0012
http://swsct.sws.co.jp/components/ph...s/61950012.jpg
Female connector Part.-Nr. 6195-0009
http://swsct.sws.co.jp/components/ph...s/61950009.jpg

Here is the complete range of the DL sealed series as a PDF file: http://swsct.sws.co.jp/components/series/pdf/dls.pdf

Seems I got a run today... ;-)

Please help me out again, what it is...

http://abefm.smugmug.com/Miata/Refer..._113005-XL.jpg

It's a YAZAKI 2.3II(090II) series Part.-Nr. 7283-1133-10

http://connectors-catalog.sys.yzk.co...list&select=05

http://connectors-catalog.sys.yzk.co...283113310s.jpg


On to the the AMP connectors...

This one IAC (?):
http://abefm.smugmug.com/Miata/Refer..._112816-XL.jpg

Could very well be a AMP SSC (Sealed Sensor Connector) System connector

Part.-Nr. 184000-1
http://de.mouser.com/images/tycoelec..._1840001_t.jpg
Here it is at Mouser:
http://de.mouser.com/Search/ProductD...o5hjBYfw%3D%3D

Here is a complete list of the sealed AMP connectors:
http://www.powerandsignal.de/Images/...Connectors.pdf

Leafy 01-25-2013 07:29 AM

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https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1359116965

AbeFM 01-25-2013 01:17 PM

Wow, you're getting ahead of me!

I'll label them on my website then come back here and do what I can. Are you just taking the images I've posted here?

BTW - the black, second one you asked about is the TPS.

The first, grey one you asked about is the Knock Sensor Harness and Vehicle Side Harness for 00 miata

The one you called "VVT" is actually the cam sensor - they are the same between 99-05, even though the go to VVT, they just moved the location they used it at.

AbeFM 01-25-2013 01:28 PM

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NOT VVT! It's the cam position sender, as mentioned in previous post, it moved to the rear of the motor in later, VVT years, but the part is the same. Good find!









And some more:

This one - (What sensor is it?)

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1359109411

Should be a Sumitomo DL sealed Series Part No. 6195-0006 (please check this - I am not entirely sure because of the tongue in the middle of the male connector)
SWS Components for Automobiles

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1359110073

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1359110073

Here we go again:

Crank position Sensor

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1359116496

Also a Sumitomo DL sealed series
SWS Components for Automobiles

Male connector Part.-Nr. 6195-0012
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1359138537
Female connector Part.-Nr. 6195-0009
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1359138806

Here is the complete range of the DL sealed series as a PDF file: http://swsct.sws.co.jp/components/series/pdf/dls.pdf

Seems I got a run today... ;-)
That one's the knock sensor plug. I may actually have to go check my car to figure out which side is which since mine's a jumble, as I made an intercept cable for it. Still, I believe the pinned connector is the sender. Wil verify.

Very important sensor!


Please help me out again, what it is...

http://abefm.smugmug.com/Miata/Refer..._113005-XL.jpg

It's a YAZAKI 2.3II(090II) series Part.-Nr. 7283-1133-10

YAZAKI Connectors Catalog

http://connectors-catalog.sys.yzk.co...283113310s.jpg


On to the the AMP connectors...
TPS! TPS (Throttle Position Sensor) harness plug for a '00 miata
http://abefm.smugmug.com/Miata/Refer..._112943-XL.jpg

http://abefm.smugmug.com/Miata/Refer..._113109-XL.jpg
More labels... 11261 and B2-2



This one IAC (?):
http://abefm.smugmug.com/Miata/Refer..._112816-XL.jpg

Could very well be a AMP SSC (Sealed Sensor Connector) System connector

Part.-Nr. 184000-1
http://de.mouser.com/images/tycoelec..._1840001_t.jpg
Here it is at Mouser:
184000-1 TE Connectivity / AMP | Mouser
http://abefm.smugmug.com/Miata/Refer..._112836-X3.jpg

And
http://abefm.smugmug.com/Miata/Refer..._112842-XL.jpg

Yeah - looks like an AMP to me.

AbeFM 01-25-2013 02:03 PM

Whew! Took some editing. Apparently, I had lots of stuff duplicated.

Now everything is labeled!

MiataConnectorImages - AbeFM's Photos

Every picture has a caption saying what it is. There's 50 images, but only a handful of connectors. I am happy to take more pics if there's something people want to see. Guess I should at least try to get on teh water temp sender, but if someone else can get this, it would be way better. I'll host it when it's taken - someone haf a harness, right?

Miater 01-25-2013 02:33 PM

I have a few harnesses. I really don't know from what years, although I haven't really looked into it too hard. I'll take a guess and say NA1 and NA2 possible NB1 I'm sure I can pull the temp sensor off of one or more tonight and get the info.


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