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Old 06-06-2012, 02:27 PM   #81
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Garrett does want me to run a GTX2860R (they contacted me)
curious as to how you managed this.. How do they know you?
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pretty much.
let's see, work I would need to do to get a free GTX (assuming it would be free) running
- get a new exhaust manifold. v-band, EWG
- get an EWG
- add EWG pipe to downpipe
- add BOV to intercooler pipe
- drill v-band housing bolts for safety wire

Not only it would take at least $1500, but my car would be out of commission for a month (more like 2 months)
What about:
-get a t3 hotside with vband outlet
-run IWG (since your motor won't care about boost creep)
-use current downpipe

I see maybe about 5-700 worth of stuff needed and when you finally get the EFR replacement you will be the 1st person to test these against each other and win at life


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curious as to how you managed this.. How do they know you?

Haven't you heard? He is KGB. Everyone knows him.
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pretty much.
let's see, work I would need to do to get a free GTX (assuming it would be free) running
- get a new exhaust manifold. v-band, EWG
- get an EWG
- add EWG pipe to downpipe
- add BOV to intercooler pipe
- drill v-band housing bolts for safety wire

Not only it would take at least $1500, but my car would be out of commission for a month (more like 2 months)
Why must you run vband inlet & ewg? Don't like Garretts old-tech IWG housing? Even if it's free and will get you running and you can run your current manifold?
But yah, you'd still need the Bov and downpipe flange redone.

EDIT: Vlad beat me to it.
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Old 06-06-2012, 02:45 PM   #84
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Ir you are already running the Inconel studs I do not understand why you need the V-Band housing for the GTX. You would just need flange on the downpipe changed. Then grab a cheap ebay knockoff BOV and use that for the time being. With EBC and stock IWG you should be fine boost wise.
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If vband housing outlet wasn't available then garrett's standard IWG turbine + something like this would probably fit inside the length of the EFR IWG housing. Then no downpipe change needed. Simple.

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I could run one of those ebay garrett-to-v-band adapter. but they are awful.
I don't want to do things half-assed for the sake of having a running car.
I took shortcuts before and had an awful car.

If the replacement EFR blows before the defect is fixed for good, I'll park the car and think if I want to wait for Borg Warner to get their ---- together or just redo the setup with another turbo.
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I could run one of those ebay garrett-to-v-band adapter. but they are awful.
Awful why? I built one for my car and it was fantastic.
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Awful why? I built one for my car and it was fantastic.
I highlighted the important part.

I guess I could pay you to make me an adapter like that but again, it boils down to one fact - I want to drive my car. Now. Not next month, but now.

Vlad - I thought you can use a normal T25 housing on the GTX2860?
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You should go with the GTX just so you can dyno it and get a real life comparison. Hell if you do that, I will pay for the dyno time for 3 pulls. This way we actually get a good back to back comparison of the difference between the 2 turbos.
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Sure, if they work, but they seem to be failing at a high rate.
AFAIK, Borg has not only changed turbine wheel suppliers, but they've also made the wheel thicker and beefier. It's not fair at all to paint future EFRs with the brush strokes of the first two dozen units.
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Vlad - I thought you can use a normal T25 housing on the GTX2860?
I for some reason thought your current borg setup was t3.
If its t2 then yes, of course you can just use the regular ol housing.
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AFAIK, Borg has not only changed turbine wheel suppliers, but they've also made the wheel thicker and beefier. It's not fair at all to paint future EFRs with the brush strokes of the first two dozen units.
And you can't just assume the future units won't be problem free. Unless I'm missing something, they have yet to hit the market and be really tested by un-biased parties.
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AFAIK, Borg has not only changed turbine wheel suppliers, but they've also made the wheel thicker and beefier. It's not fair at all to paint future EFRs with the brush strokes of the first two dozen units.
Sav,

I would imagine you have information we don't about EFRs that you can't legally share with us. However, what is your opinion on the next batch? Is it something we can rely on 100%, or would you say it is a wait and see deal to see if they fixed their issues? How confident are you with this supplier and turbine wheel change?
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You should go with the GTX just so you can dyno it and get a real life comparison. Hell if you do that, I will pay for the dyno time for 3 pulls. This way we actually get a good back to back comparison of the difference between the 2 turbos.
You can assume that I'll be going back to the (same) dyno with whatever setup I'll eventually end up with.
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pretty much.
let's see, work I would need to do to get a free GTX (assuming it would be free) running
- get a new exhaust manifold. v-band, EWG
- get an EWG
- add EWG pipe to downpipe
- add BOV to intercooler pipe
- drill v-band housing bolts for safety wire

Not only it would take at least $1500, but my car would be out of commission for a month (more like 2 months)
Have fun waiting on a ship that may never come in.
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You can assume that I'll be going back to the (same) dyno with whatever setup I'll eventually end up with.
I mean I know you will dyno your car. You are not failflora. I just want to see how the new GTX does. Hell if tial makes a housing for it I might honestly pick it up from you after you switch back to EFR.
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I'll take my chances.
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AFAIK, Borg has not only changed turbine wheel suppliers, but they've also made the wheel thicker and beefier. It's not fair at all to paint future EFRs with the brush strokes of the first two dozen units.
I have no doubt BW will make a good turbo, but its all about customer service now. Garrett get's a huge thumb-up from me. Sure, they have a customer to gain from it, but don't lick a gift horse in the ***.
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Hell if tial makes a housing for it I might honestly pick it up from you after you switch back to EFR.
The current GT28 Tial housing should fit no problem.
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I really admire your positivity througout this crap, and your determination to keep everything top notch and not cut corners.

I'd just hate to see you 3k in the hole with 2 blown borgs waiting for a 3rd with no serious ETA.

Oh and also I secretly want you to dyno a GTX for us
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I have no doubt BW will make a good turbo, but its all about customer service now. Garrett get's a huge thumb-up from me. Sure, they have a customer to gain from it, but don't lick a gift horse in the ***.
I struggle to see how "yes, we know about the issue and we will gladly replace your turbo free of charge with a unit that has been upgraded in this area as soon as we can" is not considered good customer service.

Garrett turbos are fine, but Soviet's EFR plot is ridiculous good. Trust me when I say that I'm as annoyed as anyone about the delays, but when the EFR faucet starts flowing everyone who was smart/patient enough to wait will laugh about it while making unbeatable low-end torque and big high-end power at the same time.
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