good point. The NA 2.5 with a tune would be a ton of fun in an ND.

Honestly... ND's are a real hoot right out of the box.

 

They could just turbo the 1.5. The mid-cycle refresh should just do that. The 2.0 for base model cars and then a turbo 1.5 for the "Mazdaspeed" version. Just keep all the stronger 2.0 parts like the axles, transmission (lol) and all that.

 

In other news, my transmission is getting a little sloppy... It sometimes pops out of gear or grinds randomly...

 

ND? Take it in now. You'll get a gen 2 trans.

 

CC, doesn't your car have like 10 miles on it?!?!

 

They made 1500 MSMs in 2005 and couldn't sell them all. There were brand new ones still on the lot deep into 2006 AFAIK. If you think Mazda will ever build another one, I have a bridge to sell you

 

too true.

 

Right, but the MSM was pretty poorly execute, no?

How did the MS3 do in comparison?

 

They discontinued that too

 

Me knows. But I was curious how well that sold relative to the msm.

I think they should have that up their sleeve given the current market.

 

IMO, a style refresh of the current Mazda3 hatch would have to occur. The current one seems so bland. Especially when you compare it to the soon to be released turbo rice rocket type-r civic. Possibly around or slightly higher than 28k (miata clerb, scooby wrx, vdub gti). I wish they had kept the MS3 going mazda seems very reserved right now with the only toy being miat.

 

Bland?

Really?

I mean, it's not gaudy like the Civic, but it's also not anything I'd consider bland. Nice swoops and lines. Some folks don't like the outrageous styling of honda's latest, and I'm one of them. I think they're awful.

 

AFAIK the MS3 sold quite well.

Mazda's marketing department is strange.

I agree that the current Mazda 3 is good-looking, and the new Civic wretched.

--Ian

 

I guess I just like the last gen MS3... I still see that as modern. A few guys locally run some pretty clean cars. The new just feels to rounded in the rear I'd want more edgy lines personally, but still be far away from the civic. A current 2017 Mazda3 looks amazing don't get me wrong I guess I'd prefer more aggressive styling like what with they did on the ND.

When I went to go test drive a ND Sport, the nice sales woman hinted at a AWD MS3 model to be released. But I took it with a grain of salt.

 

Mazda would have to take a huge hit on the miata for them to stop making it. They've made it for far too long and it consistently gets them awesome press. If they do re-vamp it at all, a better NA engine would be really awesome too, but an FI setup would have to not be half assed like the MSM was. That's why it didn't do all that well. I just didn't have that much more on tap...

I think that they'd have to be dumb to not be working on an MS3 reboot. There's just too much opportunity out there for it currently. The RS and Type R are making waves. Subaru has been super stagnant and doesn't really have a hot hatch anymore... I also really don't like the look of the current WRX/STI models. It's such a disappointment after how nice the previous models were imho.

The ND redesign, imho, is fantastic. They hit the ball out of the park. I think it has aggressive enough body lines without being too obtrusive. Which also, imho, means that it would sell decently with more power if the advertising was done right. I'm honestly surprised that the ND hasn't been selling super well considering the sport retails for 25k.

Does anyone think that they're kinda testing the waters with the fiata to see if things are worth doing? The fiata sales are pretty low, but I don't think that's all that unexpected.

Edit: If this is to be believed, they've definitely got the momentum thing going!
http://carsalesbase.com/us-car-sales...da-mx-5-miata/

 

Screw a MS3 reboot. Give me the Mazda 6 wagon with the euro diesel and a manual. Thats like the only car that could convince me to buy a new car instead of a used car.

 

We have had a brand new AVO turbo kit sitting in out front room for almost two months now. Waiting for a trans solution. After SB Garage blew their gen 2 on pump gas, we scratched our plan to source a gen 2 and install the kit.
Our new, uninstalled kit is available for $3990 shipped in the US.

 

I saw one guy claim he got a gen 2 by just complaining about the shift feel on m.net. Have you heard about others getting the same thing? My situation is a bit hard, because the nearest dealer is about 2 hours away. The last time I had to get it serviced, when the top had to get replaced, they sent an old man to trailer it to the dealer. If the service writer has to agree with the diagnosis of a bad transmission, that means I need to go over there first. I'll be a bit harder on it and consider going over there on my days off.

Also, is that AVO kit you want to sell a Stage 1 or Stage 2?

 

Did you actually talk to Ariel about the transmission breaking? He kept on mentioning breaking it, but still has only posted one pic and no other information.

 

I keep hearing stuff both ways too. Some think the revised boxes are fine, and others are saying otherwise. The only "proof" I have seen is a pic of a bunch of metal **** stuck to a magnetic drain plug. My tentative ND purchase is waiting until potential transmission issues are worked out. It is hard to get a clear answer.