miataturbo.net-like debauchery thread (about the ND or something)
06-02-2017, 01:19 PM
#3321
My plan is to buy a sport, then immediately get Xida's and an LSD for it. Then start looking into all the tuning options and figure out which one I want to go with. Then after enjoying the car for a bit, figure out if I want to boost it or not. I want to see how everything sorts outs between the Avo, BBR, and Turbosmart setups.
The emotional part of me wants to go buy one and work it out as it goes.
The logical part of me doesn't want to start throwing parts barely out of the beta stage on to a new car, and end up with my nice new car on blocks within the first year, when my crap bucket will soldier forward, fight the fight, and do everything I want it to do. Wait a few years for prices to drop, see how the tuning sources have been sorted out or put an LFX in it.
Edit: I have been keeping an eye on the Fiatas too. The 1.4 turbo in it didn't really do it for me. Drove me nuts, actually. Lumpy little power band that noses off hard up high. I'm keeping an eye on what they can do with those as well. But there seems to be even more bullshit and conjecture with those. I'm waiting on a 240-250whp dyno for those, then maybe I could be convinced to move on one of those. Granted, I haven't researched as hard, and only GWR posts about it on m.net. I don't know how I would fit in on a fiat forum once I told them the vinyl black hood gives you aids and their nav system can suck it.
Reply
0
0
06-02-2017, 01:25 PM
#3322
If you're talking to sales they won't know anything. If you're talking to a service adviser they probably won't know unless they've had one in the shop. A tech will probably know about it if mazdas released a service bulletin on it or heard about it at a training center. Also some problems can be limited to certain regions so some dealers may never see a broken trans.
Reply
1
1
06-02-2017, 01:32 PM
#3323
How many documented transmission failures are there out there now?
Y'all acting like it's so common that every dealership has had every car come back with marbles in the bellhousing.
I mean, Subaru is still "not aware" of their EJ engines having ringland issues, and this is 13 years later, and at least a few hundred thousand documented catastrophic failures.
Chilli - have you reached out to Mazda directly? Maybe they can actually get things moving?
Y'all acting like it's so common that every dealership has had every car come back with marbles in the bellhousing.
I mean, Subaru is still "not aware" of their EJ engines having ringland issues, and this is 13 years later, and at least a few hundred thousand documented catastrophic failures.
Chilli - have you reached out to Mazda directly? Maybe they can actually get things moving?
Reply
0
0
06-02-2017, 05:03 PM
#3326
Is the other 90% to control your Variable Vibration Sybian (VVS)?
I was more alluding to some form of open source ability to tune the ECU as you please. Similar to rom raider. Just saying it would be nice if it were that easy, and not having to trust others to "tune" our cars.
I was more alluding to some form of open source ability to tune the ECU as you please. Similar to rom raider. Just saying it would be nice if it were that easy, and not having to trust others to "tune" our cars.
Last edited by chicksdigmiatas; 06-02-2017 at 05:05 PM. Reason: Punctuation
Reply
0
0
06-02-2017, 06:38 PM
#3328
In fact, I got into tuning specifically because half the "tuners" at the time were incompetent n00bs, and the other half were stuck up dbags that not only charged insane prices, but wouldn't even bother to talk with you as if you were a human being. Asking a simple question was like insulting their mother.
The other thing that really bugs me about "pro-tunes" is the inability to alter anything after the fact. You want to bump your idle rpm 100rpm or take out 1* of timing at peak load? RETUNE REQUIRED, THAT'S ANOTHER $500
The flip side to it though, is the onslaught of morons literally pecking at the keyboard, blowing up cars, and flooding the forum with lazy/stupid questions
Reply
0
0
06-02-2017, 11:28 PM
#3329
Vlad, no I have not reached out to Mazda directly, but my complaint about the transmission has been "filed" with Mazda, according to the paperwork I saw today when I finally went and picked it up.
This car is 1000x times better than my 01, I missed it. I am like shuiend, because I want a nice blue color and a fixed transmission...
I have a cousin that could wrap my Sport whatever blue I want for cheap and I guess I could mod everything else on the car except for anything power related.
This car is 1000x times better than my 01, I missed it. I am like shuiend, because I want a nice blue color and a fixed transmission...
I have a cousin that could wrap my Sport whatever blue I want for cheap and I guess I could mod everything else on the car except for anything power related.
Reply
0
0
06-03-2017, 12:44 AM
#3331
Edit: I have been keeping an eye on the Fiatas too. The 1.4 turbo in it didn't really do it for me. Drove me nuts, actually. Lumpy little power band that noses off hard up high. I'm keeping an eye on what they can do with those as well. But there seems to be even more bullshit and conjecture with those. I'm waiting on a 240-250whp dyno for those, then maybe I could be convinced to move on one of those. Granted, I haven't researched as hard, and only GWR posts about it on m.net. I don't know how I would fit in on a fiat forum once I told them the vinyl black hood gives you aids and their nav system can suck it.
250WHP is going to require a turbo upgrade, GPOPShop has upgraded stock units compatible with all the factory parts that can reach 240-250WHP supposedly.
Last edited by Lincoln Logs; 06-03-2017 at 12:57 AM.
Reply
0
0
06-03-2017, 05:25 AM
#3332
Why you gotta come in and make me want a 124 again?? Also, was the 124 still running that 2.9 rear diff ratio for your track battle? If so, then the 124 is VERY impressive to be just as fast as the ND, because that 2.9 gives the 124 really long gears.
With Mazda refusing to fix my transmission, getting a 124 is back on the table. I am also considering moving to Colorado in the next year or two, so having a turbo car for all that altitude would be more enjoyable.
That is an interesting point about the Openflash being available for the 500's. It is only for the first two years, so I am guessing Fiat changed the ECU's on the later years. Do you know if the 124 shares the ECU with the later year 500s? If so, hopefully Shiv will release an OFT for the 124 soon! That OVTune guy also said he was working on it about 1.5 months ago with no updates.
With Mazda refusing to fix my transmission, getting a 124 is back on the table. I am also considering moving to Colorado in the next year or two, so having a turbo car for all that altitude would be more enjoyable.
That is an interesting point about the Openflash being available for the 500's. It is only for the first two years, so I am guessing Fiat changed the ECU's on the later years. Do you know if the 124 shares the ECU with the later year 500s? If so, hopefully Shiv will release an OFT for the 124 soon! That OVTune guy also said he was working on it about 1.5 months ago with no updates.
Reply
0
0
06-03-2017, 10:09 AM
#3333
Why you gotta come in and make me want a 124 again?? Also, was the 124 still running that 2.9 rear diff ratio for your track battle? If so, then the 124 is VERY impressive to be just as fast as the ND, because that 2.9 gives the 124 really long gears.
With Mazda refusing to fix my transmission, getting a 124 is back on the table. I am also considering moving to Colorado in the next year or two, so having a turbo car for all that altitude would be more enjoyable.
That is an interesting point about the Openflash being available for the 500's. It is only for the first two years, so I am guessing Fiat changed the ECU's on the later years. Do you know if the 124 shares the ECU with the later year 500s? If so, hopefully Shiv will release an OFT for the 124 soon! That OVTune guy also said he was working on it about 1.5 months ago with no updates.
With Mazda refusing to fix my transmission, getting a 124 is back on the table. I am also considering moving to Colorado in the next year or two, so having a turbo car for all that altitude would be more enjoyable.
That is an interesting point about the Openflash being available for the 500's. It is only for the first two years, so I am guessing Fiat changed the ECU's on the later years. Do you know if the 124 shares the ECU with the later year 500s? If so, hopefully Shiv will release an OFT for the 124 soon! That OVTune guy also said he was working on it about 1.5 months ago with no updates.
The deals are REAL right now for the Fiat 124, a Classica just sold in Arizona for 20k flat. Leases are $169-$199 with nothing down too.
RE: Tuning - Fiat did no one any favors and changed the ECU multiple times making it a pain to flash. If someone can figure it out, the gains are there...this is the "Stage 2" tune on the Fiat 500 Abarth (only mods are the BPV upgrade). With a higher flowing downpipe and some other bolt ons the gains up top are even better. Since the OFT is open source I'm going to get a downpipe for our 500 and take a crack at tuning it. The other story this dyno sheet doesn't tell is how the reflash completely fixes that dead feeling the motor has around 2500rpm and the throttle response feels completely natural now.
Last edited by Lincoln Logs; 06-03-2017 at 11:16 AM.
Reply
0
0
06-03-2017, 11:36 PM
#3336
Well, I started contacting multiple dealers about getting a 124 again. A few months back when I drove the Abarth, I walked because I didn't have the money to put down on a Classica. Now I have gotten the VW buy-back money and saved a bunch too. I can get a 124 if I can find a dealer to give me decent trade-in on the ND.
I want some damn dyno results for 124 reflashes, not just re-posted 500 dynos!
I want some damn dyno results for 124 reflashes, not just re-posted 500 dynos!
Reply
0
0
06-04-2017, 03:03 PM
#3338
Elite Member
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: OKC, OK
Posts: 3,693
Total Cats: 222
One thousand percent agree.
In fact, I got into tuning specifically because half the "tuners" at the time were incompetent n00bs, and the other half were stuck up dbags that not only charged insane prices, but wouldn't even bother to talk with you as if you were a human being. Asking a simple question was like insulting their mother.
The other thing that really bugs me about "pro-tunes" is the inability to alter anything after the fact. You want to bump your idle rpm 100rpm or take out 1* of timing at peak load? RETUNE REQUIRED, THAT'S ANOTHER $500
The flip side to it though, is the onslaught of morons literally pecking at the keyboard, blowing up cars, and flooding the forum with lazy/stupid questions
In fact, I got into tuning specifically because half the "tuners" at the time were incompetent n00bs, and the other half were stuck up dbags that not only charged insane prices, but wouldn't even bother to talk with you as if you were a human being. Asking a simple question was like insulting their mother.
The other thing that really bugs me about "pro-tunes" is the inability to alter anything after the fact. You want to bump your idle rpm 100rpm or take out 1* of timing at peak load? RETUNE REQUIRED, THAT'S ANOTHER $500
The flip side to it though, is the onslaught of morons literally pecking at the keyboard, blowing up cars, and flooding the forum with lazy/stupid questions
I, however, am too lazy for that. I'm not spending hours screwing with it to gain 4whp above 5500 RPM.
For instance, on the 91/93 tunes for the OTS OFT tunes, the only difference is a few degrees more timing above 5k.
Reply
0
0
06-04-2017, 04:17 PM
#3339
This was my experience as well. It is worse than reading the general nd and fiat forums on m.net. I want something more than "well, I've seen a 500 do this" If I could get a good deal on a mt classica then I would consider heavily getting one. The only 2 mt cars here in San Antonio I've found are abarth. That entails paying money for **** I don't want and will remove.
Reply
0
0
06-05-2017, 12:22 PM
#3340
Elite Member
iTrader: (2)
Join Date: Aug 2016
Location: New Fucking Jersey
Posts: 3,890
Total Cats: 143
This was my experience as well. It is worse than reading the general nd and fiat forums on m.net. I want something more than "well, I've seen a 500 do this" If I could get a good deal on a mt classica then I would consider heavily getting one. The only 2 mt cars here in San Antonio I've found are abarth. That entails paying money for **** I don't want and will remove.
Also, got your package. Thanks again!
Reply
0
0
