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18psi 09-11-2014 10:45 AM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 1166231)
glad to see they are still going with the in-cabin "Extra-thrill-excitement" airbox.

I think this is pretty much standard for any car even remotely pretending to be "fun" nowadays.

sixshooter 09-11-2014 11:24 AM

There are a few interesting details in here along with the marketing doubletalk.


Mazdaspeak:


All-New Mazda MX-5/Roadster

Joy of the Moment, Joy of Life

– Appealing to the senses and sensations through which people enjoy cars –


The significance given to maximising the Jinba Ittai and “Lots of Fun” experiences means that Mazda did much more than simply develop a compact sports car. Rather, the MX-5 was made to be looked at, to perform and respond faithfully to the driver’s will, to deliver a pleasing tactile experience, to emphasize the owner’s character, and to enjoy with friends.

Just having an MX-5 makes life more pleasant and more colorful. Mazda built the MX-5 with the hopes that it would become a presence that transcended its existence as a mere car. To carry on the MX-5’s rich tradition while more purely than ever embodying the essence of what appeals to the senses and sensations through which people enjoy cars, the development team made every effort to further evolve the product. Particular effort went into advancing the following three elements.

First was to create a design that would set anybody’s heart pounding with excitement. Just one look at the fourth-generation MX-5 should get one’s pulse racing. Sitting in it should bring a smile to the driver’s face and instantaneously spark an urge to take the top down and go for a drive. And it should become a cherished part of the owner’s life as time passes. These joyful attributes are what the development team aimed to express in an even purer state with the fourth-generation MX-5. In pursuit of them, they worked to add greater depth to the KODO design language, to embody beautiful proportions that make the occupants stand out and look even better, and to make the open-air roadster experience all the more enjoyable. Specifically, development focused on the following.

• Beautiful proportions that make the occupants stand out and look good.

• A deeper expression of the KODO design language that conveys agility.

• Body surfaces that richly express the Japanese sense of contrast between stillness and motion.

• An interior design that melts away the boundaries between the inside and outside of the car.

• A snug feeling cockpit with symmetry and a singular axis that enables concentration on driving.


The second element is to deliver a driving experience that will captivate any driver. For every generation of the MX-5, importance was placed on appealing to the senses and sensations through which people enjoy cars, rather than focusing merely on sheer performance. With “sensation” as the keyword for the fourth-generation MX-5, development efforts focused on making the car even more enjoyable to control and faithful in its response. When driving in typical daily situations, the car responds directly to the driver’s will, as though it were extension of the driver’s own body. When enjoying a sporty run along winding roads, it responds faithfully to the driver’s actions in pleasingly light fashion. Every effort went into further refining these attributes to realize the ultimate Jinba Ittai driving experience that will captivate any driver. Specifically, development focused on the following.

• The latest SKYACTIV TECHNOLOGY and Mazda’s “gram strategy” combine to significantly reduce weight by more than 100kg over the third-generation model.

• Front-midship engine rear-wheel-drive configuration achieves an ideal 50:50 front-rear weight distribution.

• The engine is located closer to the vehicle’s center, the hood, trunk lid, front fender and front and rear bumper reinforcements are made of aluminum, and the weight of the soft top is reduced. These combine to realize a lower yaw inertial moment and a lower center of gravity.

• The pedals, controls, meters and all equipment are optimally positioned to enable the driver to maintain a straight posture and drive comfortably.

• The height of the hood is lowered and the A-pillars and windshield header are moved rearward and made thinner to create a panoramic view with greater visibility of road conditions and peripheral movement.

• SKYACTIV-G direct-injection gasoline engines are oriented longitudinally and specially tuned for the MX-5.

• New six-speed manual and automatic transmissions are also specially tuned for the MX-5.

• New lightweight yet highly rigid suspension fully leverages the know-how of SKYACTIV TECHNOLOGY, with a double-wishbone suspension in the front and multilink suspension in the rear.

• The brake system is designed to maximize controllability and deliver reassuring effectiveness, plenty of braking power, and an optimized posture when braking.


The third element is a pleasantly refreshing roadster experience that anyone can enjoy. It embodies the feeling of openness only possible with an open-top lightweight sports car, a feeling that can quickly lift anybody’s spirits anywhere and at any time while enjoying a drive with the top down. To achieve this, development focused primarily on the following.

• The MX-5 is designed to be beautiful even with the top down.

• The interior is designed to maximize the pleasure of driving with the top down.

• The soft top can be operated easily while remaining seated.

• Wind control makes the drive pleasurable when the top is down.

• Headrest speakers enhance the enjoyment of driving with the top down.


In addition to the three aforementioned elements, the fourth generation further evolves the pleasure of adapting the MX-5 to reflect the owner’s character. Furthermore, satisfying the demands of the day are Mazda’s latest-generation Human-Machine Interface (HMI) and Mazda Connect*, Mazda’s next-generation car connectivity system that efficiently links the driver to the car and the outside world. A human-centric perspective was adopted in the pursuit of developing advanced safety performance based on the Mazda Proactive Safety philosophy to appeal to the senses and sensations through which people enjoy cars and enable the driver to fully enjoy the driving experience.

*The name Mazda Connect is used in Japan, US, Canada and Mexico. The system is referred to as MZD Connect in other markets.

Design
A design to set the heart racing

For the fourth-generation MX-5, the development team was not going to be satisfied with a mere facelift. Nor were they prepared to aim for a design that simply accommodates current trends. Mazda’s only desire was to satisfy its vision of how an open-top lightweight sports car should look. It had to light a fire of excitement in the hearts of all those who relate to the stance Mazda assumed in developing the model over the past quarter century, and who were anticipating the launch of an even purer embodiment of Mazda’s open-top lightweight sports car.

Mazda’s first thought in aiming for the ultimate MX-5 design was to create beautiful proportions that make the occupants stand out and look good. True to its Japanese name – Mazda Roadster – the basic form of the MX-5 makes those riding in the car the stars when seen with the top down and windows lowered. As such, the packaging engineers assigned to the development team worked closely together to examine a wide variety of elements related to achieving a beautiful design when the top is down, and also to emphasize the driver’s seating position and embody beautiful proportions that best convey the satisfaction and exhilaration of driving the MX-5. This resulted in refinements such as moving the cabin a little toward the rear to create the appearance that the occupants are sitting at the body’s midpoint and lowering the hip-point of the seats in conjunction with the new design’s low center of gravity.

Based on these proportions that make the occupants stand out and look good, the development team took on the challenge of adding greater depth to the KODO design language and fully expressing all they wished for in the new design. This includes embodying KODO design’s characteristic stance with an expression of stability that makes the vehicle appear as though it is firmly gripping the road surface and creating an image of agility that makes the MX-5 appear ready to move instantly in any direction. The fine craftsmanship of Mazda’s renowned clay modelers creates contours that cause reflections off the body’s surfaces to change in a stunning fashion as the car moves. It makes the car look alive while at the same time creating a sense of emotional attachment that evokes a desire to stroke the surface with the palm of one’s hand. In addition, the lines travelling from the headlamps, peaking at the front fenders and converging in front of the rear tires before sweeping upwards over the rear fenders, create a sense of motion at varying speeds. Reminiscent of Japanese calligraphy, this represents the Japanese sensibilities bred into the MX-5.

The aim for the interior was to create a cockpit design that brings a smile to the face and gets the heart pounding just by looking at it, or by simply sitting in the driver’s seat. One example is how the body panels wrap around to extend right into the door trim and thereby dissolve the visual boundaries between the vehicle’s interior and exterior. When sitting in the cockpit, the driver sees a ridge line that extends in powerful fashion from the upper part of the door trim to the top of the front fenders. In addition to providing a feeling of open space as only possible with an open-top body, the lines emphasize a feeling of oneness between driver and car. The design also attempts to heighten the pleasure of driving an open-top sports car by enabling the driver to experience the change in the surrounding environment in real time. When sunlight filters through the trees, for example, or as light reflects as the sun sets. Careful attention paid to the shape of the door trim and to making the quarter windows more compact aims to actively control the flow of air that reaches the cockpit. The result is a pleasant cockpit environment with just the right amount of wind blowing in when driving with the top down. In addition, positioning the tachometer and small-diameter steering wheel on the same axis creates perfect symmetry between the round air-conditioning louvers to the right and left of the meter cluster. This serves to establish a single axis throughout the cockpit, while at the same time creating a pleasantly tight feeling to the cockpit that enables the driver to concentrate on driving. With special attention to every detail, Mazda focused on building the MX-5 to transcend its existence as a mere automobile and become a sports car that owners will truly love.

While paying due respect to the British as the pioneers of the genre and to the first-generation MX-5 as the car that rebuilt it in the modern age, the design aim for the all-new MX-5 was to create the ideal image of a Mazda lightweight sports car. Every inch of the MX-5 reflects this desire and the pleasure it intends to give to all who drive it.

History of the Mazda MX-5

A perpetual quest for driving pleasure that all can enjoy

Mazda announced the first-generation MX-5 at the Chicago Auto Show on February 9, 1989. At that time, virtually no open-type lightweight sports cars were available. The segment, which had blossomed in England in the latter half of the 1940s, gained popularity thanks to the agile handling, characteristic style and affordability of such vehicles. But after the 1960s, the market focused more on safety and comfort, and the cars in this category had all but disappeared. The aim of the engineers and designers at Mazda who produced the first-generation model was simply to bring back a fun-to-drive lightweight sports car for people around the world like themselves – people who just love cars and love to drive. To build a car that satisfies this passion for driving, they developed the MX-5 based on the principle requirements that it would combine a lightweight, compact open-top two-seater body with a front-midship-engine rear-wheel-drive configuration, a 50:50 front-rear weight distribution, a low yaw inertia moment and an affordable price. The simple, familiar nature of its compact sports car styling, the light feeling and faithful, linear response Mazda defined as Jinba Ittai, along with the open feeling it offered resonated with car lovers around the world. It soon won a number of awards, gained widespread popularity, and fan clubs big and small began to spring up worldwide. The second-generation model was revealed at the Tokyo Motor Show in October 1997, the third-generation model debuted at the Geneva Motor Show in February 2005. Production reached 900,000 units in February 2011and the MX-5 broke its own Guinness World Record as the world’s “best-selling two-seater sports car,” a title it had first achieved in May 2000.

Please look forward to the all-new MX-5. Merely looking at it will make any car lover happy. All drivers, from beginners to those with racing experience, will be able to enjoy the best drive of their lives. Putting the top down and enjoying the refreshing feel of the breeze will bring a smile to anybody’s face. All drivers will experience a world of driving pleasure as only the MX-5 can offer.

z31maniac 09-11-2014 11:28 AM


Originally Posted by cordycord (Post 1166233)
"Build it, and they will come."

Eventually, but that will be years away.

The NC has been out for approaching a decade and FM have just now developed a coilover kit for it.

I'd love to see the aftermarket for the ND blow-up quickly like for the BRZ, but I'm not sure it will happen.

cordycord 09-11-2014 11:46 AM


Originally Posted by z31maniac (Post 1166265)
Eventually, but that will be years away.

The NC has been out for approaching a decade and FM have just now developed a coilover kit for it.

I'd love to see the aftermarket for the ND blow-up quickly like for the BRZ, but I'm not sure it will happen.

Okay, wishful thinking on my part. I've got the "Ebay special" XXR527 wheels on my car (17x8.25, +25, 18lbs), mainly because they have the right inset. I'd LOVE if they were roll-formed and 5lbs lighter. That said, even a bigger and heavier wheel allows for a smaller sidewall and less slip angle.

IF the tire companies start to support a 17"x8 or 17x9 tire, then I hope that more 245/35's (or bigger) are available. I must say that I'm very pleased with my Toyo R1R's for mixed driving.

Everything's a trade-off...

z31maniac 09-11-2014 12:52 PM


Originally Posted by cordycord (Post 1166271)
Okay, wishful thinking on my part. I've got the "Ebay special" XXR527 wheels on my car (17x8.25, +25, 18lbs), mainly because they have the right inset. I'd LOVE if they were roll-formed and 5lbs lighter. That said, even a bigger and heavier wheel allows for a smaller sidewall and less slip angle.

IF the tire companies start to support a 17"x8 or 17x9 tire, then I hope that more 245/35's (or bigger) are available. I must say that I'm very pleased with my Toyo R1R's for mixed driving.

Everything's a trade-off...

255/40/17 fit on the NC (also a 205/45/17 stock), so not sure why the obsession with 35 series 17s.

But if I keep the NC instead of going with an ND, I'll be going 255/35/18 because this looks amazing:

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1404141310

Chilicharger665 09-11-2014 05:07 PM


Originally Posted by z31maniac (Post 1166265)
Eventually, but that will be years away.

The NC has been out for approaching a decade and FM have just now developed a coilover kit for it.

I'd love to see the aftermarket for the ND blow-up quickly like for the BRZ, but I'm not sure it will happen.

When did FM announce a coilover kit?

concealer404 09-11-2014 05:14 PM


Originally Posted by Chilicharger665 (Post 1166419)
When did FM announce a coilover kit?


Like... yesterday? Or today.

flier129 09-11-2014 11:33 PM

Less-hp-than-Prius crew, checking in!
http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1094375_2016-mazda-mx-5-specs-leaked?fbfanpage

I really hope this is all hogwash, lol.

turbofan 09-11-2014 11:37 PM

Keep in mind that in other markets, the NB was still offered with a 110hp 1.6 for the entirety of its production run.

Mazda is absolutely stupid if they were to try that as the only engine, or to even offer it at all here. But today's Mazda isn't totally stupid (even if they did botch the diesel for the US) so I'm optimistic.

Won't be over 200hp though I'm sure.

Official specs will arrive on the 24th according to a Mazda rep I spoke with.

Braineack 09-12-2014 07:35 AM


Originally Posted by turbofan (Post 1166543)
But today's Mazda isn't totally stupid (even if they did botch the diesel for the US) so I'm optimistic.

Mazda has and always will underpower their cars to ensure people buy something else.

Perfect example:

Mazda6 = 185hp all models
Camry = 200hp hybrid, 268hp v6
Fusion = 140hp hybrid, 175hp i-4, 180hp 1.5L i-4t, 240hp 2.0L i-4
Accord = 185hp i-4, 278hp v6


if they cant put over 200hp in their full sized sedan, they sure as hell wont in the miata.

asmasm 09-12-2014 09:03 AM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 1166571)
Mazda has and always will underpower their cars to ensure people buy something else.

Perfect example:

Mazda6 = 185hp all models
Camry = 200hp hybrid, 268hp v6
Fusion = 140hp hybrid, 175hp i-4, 180hp 1.5L i-4t, 240hp 2.0L i-4
Accord = 185hp i-4, 278hp v6


if they cant put over 200hp in their full sized sedan, they sure as hell wont in the miata.


You are exlcuding the fact that the mazda6 is lighter than all of those other cars. About 200lb lighter than a v6 camry, 500lb lighter than the turbo fusion, and 350lb lighter than a v6 accord.

RedCarmel 09-12-2014 09:32 AM


Originally Posted by turbofan (Post 1166543)
even if they did botch the diesel for the US

How was it botched?

Dunning Kruger Affect 09-12-2014 09:40 AM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 1166571)
Mazda has and always will underpower their cars to ensure people buy something else.

Perfect example:

Mazda6 = 185hp all models
Camry = 200hp hybrid, 268hp v6
Fusion = 140hp hybrid, 175hp i-4, 180hp 1.5L i-4t, 240hp 2.0L i-4
Accord = 185hp i-4, 278hp v6


if they cant put over 200hp in their full sized sedan, they sure as hell wont in the miata.

Code:

2014 Mazda 6                                37mpg        $21,190        Sport
2014 Toyota Camry Hybrid                39mpg        $26,330        Hybrid LE
2014 Toyota Camry V6                        31mpg        $27,850        SE Trim
2014 Ford Fusion Hybrid + Atkinson        81mpg        $34,700        Energi
2014 Ford Fusion 1.5L Ecoboost                37mpg        $24,730        SE Trim
2014 Ford Fusion 2.0L Ecoboost                33mpg        $26,715        Se Trim
2014 Honda Accord                        36mpg        $22,105        LX Trim

IDK about you, but the Mazda6 seems like a good value for the money when it comes to performance and fuel economy. Note: I took the EPA highway estimate.

Dunning Kruger Affect 09-12-2014 09:43 AM


Originally Posted by RedCarmel (Post 1166593)
How was it botched?

They've been having reliability issues, like huge ones. It doesn't use urea injection and they tried to do something clever and it blew up in their faces.

I think that owners are being advised to check their oil at every fill-up and they have to change the oil super frequently. Something like 3k miles on 0W20 oil. It's been semi-well documented.

Braineack 09-12-2014 10:10 AM


Originally Posted by Dunning Kruger Affect (Post 1166599)
IDK about you, but the Mazda6 seems like a good value for the money when it comes to cargo space and fuel economy.

ftfy.

dieselmiata 09-12-2014 10:25 AM

Isn't that exactly what it's target is? Economy and cargo space? I doubt too many people are buying them to go dominate the track.

Braineack 09-12-2014 10:32 AM


Originally Posted by dieselmiata (Post 1166628)
Isn't that exactly what it's target is? Economy and cargo space? I doubt too many people are buying them to go dominate the track.

there's PLENTY of people that want a sedan with some pep behind it.

That's why almost every full-sized sedan out there has at least 2 motor options--one focused on econ, the other on passing power. Obviously every other car maker out there finds there's enough market that they should offer options. (even the new mustang has 3 different engine options.)

for example: I'd never consider a 4cly Accord, but I would a v6.

this has been my opinion of mazda since the foreverz. and all the tests I've read of the mazda6 suggest the same.

Dunning Kruger Affect 09-12-2014 10:44 AM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 1166613)
ftfy.

I don't necessarily agree. Performance isn't just raw engine output numbers, sustained skidpad lateral G's, and slalom times. If you take a look at a car like the Corvette, it's absolutely bonkers that it's a halo car that you can (not necessarily will) get mid-20s in the MPG department. Personally, I feel that the overall performance envelope includes all of the "minor" stuff such as fuel economy, cost of ownership, and reliability.

That said, I'm probably just using this as an excuse to justify an ND purchase. :loser:

Mazda's never really the best in class; however, they're the more exciting option that provides an excellent bang for your buck. The Mazda6 looks pretty damn good (mazda bring the wagon pls), is punching above it's class when it comes to the interior, and there's no goofy tricks (ok well, cam phasing Atkinson maybe) to provide decent fuel economy. We all know what happens when Mazda tries to be clever (see: current Skyactiv-D, rotaries, etc).

Seefo 09-12-2014 11:14 AM

Logic says no to 128 hp figure. First, the 1.5L engine is a Asia/Europe only engine at this time. second, its running 13:1 compression and getting 99 HP (there is a 115hp Euro model, but still 15hp is not that easy at such low displacement). I highly doubt Mazda is going to squeeze another 30hp out of it without some displacement or turbo charging. Did I mention that mazda has stated they weren't bringing this engine to the US? This is what happens when you get info from other countries...

Second, mazda has not really made a habit of dropping power figures in the American market. We tend to be "paper" buyers, particularly the younger generation.

Lastly, Mazda has usually had a lower displacement, lower power engine for the Euro market. The 1.5L MAYBE an engine for the Australia market, but I would be surprised if its the ONLY engine in the US market.

All that said, I wouldn't be surprised if two engines are made available in the US. I just doubt the first one will be the 1.5L.

Ryan_G 09-12-2014 11:28 AM


Originally Posted by Seefo (Post 1166650)
Logic says no to 128 hp figure. First, the 1.5L engine is a Asia/Europe only engine at this time. second, its running 13:1 compression and getting 99 HP (there is a 115hp Euro model, but still 15hp is not that easy at such low displacement). I highly doubt Mazda is going to squeeze another 30hp out of it without some displacement or turbo charging. Did I mention that mazda has stated they weren't bringing this engine to the US? This is what happens when you get info from other countries...

Kia can manage 130hp from their 1.6L NA engine. I am sure Mazda could pull out 128hp from a 1.5L. It would blow my mind if a modern engine with DI and 13:1 compression was only putting out 66hp/L (100bhp).

cyotani 09-12-2014 11:33 AM

I don't mind buying "under powered" daily drivers. It just makes the turbo Miata feel so much more fun on the weekends. full economy and comfort are my two biggest criteria for DD cars. That and having enough power to not struggle to much going up hills.

Seefo 09-12-2014 12:06 PM


Originally Posted by Ryan_G (Post 1166657)
Kia can manage 130hp from their 1.6L NA engine. I am sure Mazda could pull out 128hp from a 1.5L. It would blow my mind if a modern engine with DI and 13:1 compression was only putting out 66hp/L (100bhp).

I don't doubt that they could. Just seems unlikely that they would. If you are building an engine aiming for 100hp, turning it up by 30% just seems so unlikely. Reliability and longevity considered here...

sixshooter 09-12-2014 12:13 PM


Originally Posted by Dunning Kruger Affect (Post 1166643)
We all know what happens when Mazda tries to be clever (see: current Skyactiv-D, rotaries, etc).

Supercharged Atkinson Millenia comes to mind as well. And rotating port valves on the 6 port 13b, and the Amazing Exploding Renesis engines.


Originally Posted by cyotani (Post 1166659)
I don't mind buying "under powered" daily drivers. It just makes the turbo Miata feel so much more fun on the weekends. full economy and comfort are my two biggest criteria for DD cars. That and having enough power to not struggle to much going up hills.

But Mazda could do so much better in the American market if the car was more than just "adequate" at full throttle. If it was adequate at 60 percent throttle and "wow, that's quick" at full throttle, what would be the harm? I can only see where that would help their sales.

Leafy 09-12-2014 12:15 PM


Originally Posted by sixshooter (Post 1166673)
But Mazda could do so much better in the American market if the car was more than just "adequate" at full throttle. If it was adequate at 60 percent throttle and "wow, that's quick" at full throttle, what would be the harm? I can only see where that would help their sales.

The difference would probably be like 3-5k in starting price though.

cyotani 09-12-2014 12:38 PM


Originally Posted by Leafy (Post 1166675)
The difference would probably be like 3-5k in starting price though.

^This, and more than likely some fuel economy.

turbofan 09-12-2014 01:30 PM


Originally Posted by RedCarmel (Post 1166593)
How was it botched?

In terms of the US market, the fact that it never arrived.

Promised, then delayed, then delayed, then delayed, then delayed until further notice. To quote a Mazda rep, "we avoid [questions about the diesel] like the plague."

Have you SEEN the 6 wagon diesel? If it were here, I WOULD buy one.

lassi 09-12-2014 01:38 PM


Originally Posted by Dunning Kruger Affect (Post 1166601)
They've been having reliability issues, like huge ones. It doesn't use urea injection and they tried to do something clever and it blew up in their faces.

I think that owners are being advised to check their oil at every fill-up and they have to change the oil super frequently. Something like 3k miles on 0W20 oil. It's been semi-well documented.

IDK how all the stupid internet conspiracy theories about the diesel comes to life, buth the simple truth is that Mazda does not believe the US consumer wants to buy a diesel.

It is by far the most sold engine option in Europe, and any issues would be well documented.
20Kkm or once a year oil change interval. I have one.

Davezorz 09-12-2014 01:41 PM


Originally Posted by turbofan (Post 1166705)
In terms of the US market, the fact that it never arrived.

Promised, then delayed, then delayed, then delayed, then delayed until further notice. To quote a Mazda rep, "we avoid [questions about the diesel] like the plague."

Have you SEEN the 6 wagon diesel? If it were here, I WOULD buy one.

We were seriously considering replacing my wife's TDI with one. It certainly cannot be less reliable than that car is.

The Skyactiv D is a pretty radical engine though, I think it has less static compression than their gas engine. I hear that railroads are having similar problems with their low compression high speed engines as well.

Dunning Kruger Affect 09-12-2014 03:14 PM


Originally Posted by lassi (Post 1166711)
IDK how all the stupid internet conspiracy theories about the diesel comes to life, buth the simple truth is that Mazda does not believe the US consumer wants to buy a diesel.

It is by far the most sold engine option in Europe, and any issues would be well documented.
20Kkm or once a year oil change interval. I have one.

It was with the CX-5 and a diesel particulate filter fouling the oil. There's a bunch of .au sites that have issues and press releases.

It's not a conspiracy to say "I want a turbo diesel Mazda6, but Mazda's been having issues with their motor technology". I would think that once the Mazda6 gets a mid-cycle refresh, there's a nonzero chance that it'll come with a revised motor and possibly be for sale in Etats-Uni~.

Erat 09-12-2014 04:23 PM

As i raise my beer i say:

"Here's to hoping Mazda is trolling us all. They will be giving us a 1.6l engine with a itty bitty turbo that produces a healthy 180whp all while netting us 35+ mpg highway. No turbo lag, plenty of low end torque, and all for around $23,000."


(FiestaST)

turbofan 09-12-2014 04:29 PM

It's just too bad it's wrong wheel drive.

Fantastic car though. If I were in the market for a new hatchback and I decided against the TDI, I'd go with the Fiesta ST. Winner.

cyotani 09-12-2014 04:42 PM


Originally Posted by turbofan (Post 1166761)
It's just too bad it's wrong wheel drive.

Fantastic car though. If I were in the market for a new hatchback and I decided against the TDI, I'd go with the Fiesta ST. Winner.

If I didn't enjoy wrenching on cars that's what I would get. My friend has one and it's very grippy in bone stock form and is fun to drive.

lassi 09-13-2014 06:32 AM


Originally Posted by Dunning Kruger Affect (Post 1166735)
It was with the CX-5 and a diesel particulate filter fouling the oil. There's a bunch of .au sites that have issues and press releases.

It's not a conspiracy to say "I want a turbo diesel Mazda6, but Mazda's been having issues with their motor technology". I would think that once the Mazda6 gets a mid-cycle refresh, there's a nonzero chance that it'll come with a revised motor and possibly be for sale in Etats-Uni~.

I know all about this. Dilution of engine oil by fuel from the regeneration process. Totally normal with modern diesels with particulate filters. With the numbers of Skyactiv D sold there would be a huge deal if it was a real problem. Not just some internet heroes upset by rising engine oil levels. I have heard of no engine failures...
There has also been a recall to adress this. Replaces a pressure sensor in the exhaust system and reprogram of the ecu.

Funny how all other markets than NA is getting diesels. That makes me certain that the problem is the consumers, cheap gasoline and not a "botched" engine design...

turbofan 09-13-2014 12:02 PM

FOR THE RECORD...

I never said they botched the design.

They botched it for the US by not bringing it here.

Also, that sounds like a pretty big deal.

z31maniac 09-16-2014 12:30 PM


Originally Posted by Chilicharger665 (Post 1166419)
When did FM announce a coilover kit?

Keith mentioned it to me a few months ago, but they officially announced at Miata even weekend before last.

FOX $1700 including new front top hats (reuse existing rears), they are working on the final valving setup now.

He also mentioned FOX will revalve the shocks for free in the first 90 days if you aren't happy.

Dunning Kruger Affect 09-16-2014 12:39 PM

Motortrend "reported" that the ND is getting the 1.5L for at least a year before an optional engine opens up.

I put scare quotes around "reported" as a reminder that car magazines had to step up their bullshit fabrication game when blogs started to poach their territory. Car magazines are the printed version of the kid down the street's uncle who totally works at Nintendo. Mnet is freaking out because of course they are.

I'm waiting until the Paris Auto Show for any new information.

Erat 09-16-2014 12:52 PM

I'll believe it when i see it.

Then again, 1.5l with FI. :party:

z31maniac 09-16-2014 02:06 PM


Originally Posted by Dunning Kruger Affect (Post 1167639)
Motortrend "reported" that the ND is getting the 1.5L for at least a year before an optional engine opens up.

I put scare quotes around "reported" as a reminder that car magazines had to step up their bullshit fabrication game when blogs started to poach their territory. Car magazines are the printed version of the kid down the street's uncle who totally works at Nintendo. Mnet is freaking out because of course they are.

I'm waiting until the Paris Auto Show for any new information.

I saw that, and 130hp. I think that would be a huge mistake.

turbofan 09-16-2014 02:13 PM

Oi.

People, it's going to have more than 130hp. It has to. Even notoriously underpowered Mazda isn't dumb enough to do that in the US market. There's no way.

Is there?

I'm sure it'll be available with that engine in other markets, but I can't see them doing it here.

asmasm 09-16-2014 02:28 PM

Mazda knows NA/NB owners are more likely to buy in to the ND than they were the NC. There is no way they are releasing the car with nearly identical power and weight numbers as an NA8.

Dunning Kruger Affect 09-16-2014 02:40 PM

Yeah, if it isn't a Mazda press release, it deserves zero attention.

Braineack 09-16-2014 02:53 PM


Originally Posted by Dunning Kruger Affect (Post 1167702)
Yeah, if it isn't a Mazda press release, it deserves zero attention.

I said that about nikonrumor.com and they were nearly spot on with the specs of teh just released D750.

Including the name that doesn't match the nomenclature.

Monk 09-16-2014 02:56 PM


Originally Posted by z31maniac (Post 1167682)
I saw that, and 130hp. I think that would be a huge mistake.

Maybe mazda just really likes this forum, and they want to ensure its existence for decades to come.

NiklasFalk 09-16-2014 03:16 PM

2.0 delayed one year, US introduction delayed one year... :D

Dunning Kruger Affect 09-16-2014 03:49 PM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 1167705)
I said that about nikonrumor.com and they were nearly spot on with the specs of teh just released D750.

Including the name that doesn't match the nomenclature.

Canikon can eat it, Fuji X system is the future. (that D750 looks amazing)


Originally Posted by Monk (Post 1167707)
Maybe mazda just really likes this forum, and they want to ensure its existence for decades to come.

Mnet folded faster than origami paper when the body reveal happened. We're not that popular. :v

codrus 09-16-2014 04:04 PM


Originally Posted by lassi (Post 1166893)

Funny how all other markets than NA is getting diesels. That makes me certain that the problem is the consumers, cheap gasoline and not a "botched" engine design...


It's about taxes.

Most of Europe *doubles* the cost of fuel with taxes or more. The UK charges $3.56 (current exchange rates) in fuel tax per US gallon with a 20% VAT on top of that. Germany charges like $7.50. This makes high fuel-efficiency diesels more attractive, especially since a lot of these countries have at least slightly lower tax rates on diesel than on gas.

Empirically, it would appear that if fuel cost is not a major consideration then consumers prefer gasoline engines to diesels, but when you artificially increase the fuel prices by a huge margin then the preference switches.

Personally, I have no clue why anyone would actually want a diesel in a car. Sure, they make great low end torque, but just as it's getting interesting you hit the redline and need to shift. It's like driving big old American V8s around -- you know, the 350s in the 1980s that made 320 lb-ft of torque and 150 hp. Yuck, no thanks.

I *do* like the diesel in my truck, it works great for towing.

Why are we talking about diesels in a thread about the ND, anyway? Mazda would be idiots to put a diesel in it.

--Ian

Leafy 09-16-2014 05:41 PM


Originally Posted by Monk (Post 1167707)
Maybe mazda just really likes this forum, and they want to ensure its existence for decades to come.

Except if they did put a 130hp engine in it, it wouldnt sell. And the reason we exist for the NA/NB is that they sold like hot cakes which makes them cheap enough now for us to abuse the shit out of them.

Erat 09-16-2014 06:19 PM

I'll be abusing the shit out of my ND when i get it.

Fireindc 09-16-2014 06:32 PM


Originally Posted by Erat (Post 1167764)
I'll be abusing the shit out of my ND when i get it.

Yeah, with ~130hp you will have to abuse it all the time just to get anywhere.

Kidding. If it doesn't have at least 170+ horsepower, I would be truly surprised and disappointed.

Nagase 09-16-2014 06:45 PM


Originally Posted by Fireindc (Post 1167773)
Yeah, with ~130hp you will have to abuse it all the time just to get anywhere.

Kidding.

No, that's the whole point.

Being able to redline, redline, redline everywhere. Abusing. Full throttle. Just in traffic.

That's the /whole reason/ the Miata (stock) is fun.

doward 09-16-2014 07:21 PM


Originally Posted by Nagase (Post 1167779)
No, that's the whole point.

Being able to redline, redline, redline everywhere. Abusing. Full throttle. Just in traffic.

That's the /whole reason/ the Miata (stock) is fun.

There IS a lot to be said for the whole "slow car fast" idea, but for ~$27,000+ in 2015, i'm gonna need that ~175hp 2.0l.

njn63 09-16-2014 07:42 PM


Originally Posted by Dunning Kruger Affect (Post 1166601)
They've been having reliability issues, like huge ones. It doesn't use urea injection and they tried to do something clever and it blew up in their faces.

I think that owners are being advised to check their oil at every fill-up and they have to change the oil super frequently. Something like 3k miles on 0W20 oil. It's been semi-well documented.

They also delayed the release a bunch of times because they couldn't meet emissions (or at least that was the rumor I heard).

I didn't hear about those issues but I kinda lost interest after I bought a car in February. Guess I made the right choice.

lassi 09-17-2014 02:45 PM


Originally Posted by njn63 (Post 1167802)
They also delayed the release a bunch of times because they couldn't meet emissions (or at least that was the rumor I heard).

I didn't hear about those issues but I kinda lost interest after I bought a car in February. Guess I made the right choice.

:crx: :facepalm:
I quit!

Braineack 09-17-2014 02:58 PM

oh so they are putting a nemesis in it?

turbofan 09-17-2014 03:04 PM

No, it's going to be a turbodiesel. At least that's what I heard.

Braineack 09-17-2014 03:11 PM

you missed the joke, but what you did works too.

bremaine 09-23-2014 07:18 PM


Originally Posted by Nagase (Post 1167779)
No, that's the whole point.

Being able to redline, redline, redline everywhere. Abusing. Full throttle. Just in traffic.

That's the /whole reason/ the Miata (stock) is fun.

True, but this also is what can make people harp on horsepower (see FRS)

Nagase 09-23-2014 07:58 PM


Originally Posted by bremaine (Post 1169790)
True, but this also is what can make people harp on horsepower (see FRS)

What's your point?

If it had 200 horsepower, people would want 250. If it had 250, people would want 300. Etc. Keep going until you end up with the Hellcat. A huge five thousand pound tank with 707 horsepower you can never, ever use without go to jail.

Look at all the Miatas that get powered up here and basically stop being driven. 150,000 mile cars that don't see 10,000 miles in the five years after a turbo. Those that get sold.

Fun is what keeps cars fun, what keeps people wanting to drive them every day. Tenths of a second suspension and huge power usually end up as cars that get bragged about more than driven. There's a reason for that. Getting close to the limit as much as possible is fun.

Erat 09-23-2014 08:18 PM

I dunno, i put 700 miles on my red car this last weekend. Plus my blue one is daily driven 500 miles a week... 100% fun no matter what car.

What makes a car fun is personal preference. What makes a Miata fun is the simplicity.

Full_Tilt_Boogie 09-23-2014 08:23 PM

New Miata should make infinity horsepowers and weigh zero pounds. If it doesnt Im going to be super pissed.


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