I keep thinking the C7 should be this car with 400 hp.

You could wait for the inevitable LSx swap from Flyin' Miata.

MT: we don't even know what engine it will have, but we're already planning the engine swap

:party:

It'll be a high compression SkyActiv engine which means it's pretty much wringing out its maximum power anyway and not necessarily suited to turbocharging.

Which is perfect, as it'll complete this forum's transformation into n/atrackdaymiatabro.net

It's just a challenge to get turbocharging to work at 14:1 + 87 octane by superior control.
Just whip out the solder iron and the software developing abilities.

I thought I saw one on the roadtrip I just had, but it was just a z4.

If the ND has direct injection as it should then turbo charging it shouldn't be too difficult. Direct injection will eliminate any detonation concerns.
Actually, a high compression ratio/direct injection engine will be good for a turbo because you won't need high boost (about 5 psi) to get decent power of it.

Direct injection doesn't eliminate detonation concerns. The new wrx knocks like crazy off the showroom floor on 91 oct, with direct injection.
Plenty of other cars do as well.
It will make boosting a high compression engine a possibility though.

LOL. Guilty.

Almost every turbo subaru knocks from the factory on 91. Thats why the owners manual says 93 minimum. I'm surprised they even sell them in shitty states that dont offer proper gasoline.

Same with evo's, and many other cars.

But that's not the point.

My point is: DI doesn't eliminate knock. If anything, e85 "eliminates" knock.

It does certainly help reduce knock in some cars. But that can also be from the different head and pistons shapes too.

Turbo on the BP have been done and is so vanilla that even TSE have a kit. ;)
Since it's no challenge its more fun to try to get a decent N/A engine out of the BP. Heck, even Rotrex start to get some attention.

Making the SkyActiv 2.0 bend its rods with full control on an unopened engine is the challenge. Who will be first?

How different is the SkyActive to the MRZ fitmentvise?
Swapping one into a NC mule to learn something about tuning it?

MS4 would have no problem improving on the direct injection, right?

Soon Z4 owners will be buying body kits to make them look like ND MX-5s.

Anyone have a real picture of the Abarth Spider? Since it's the twin of the ND.

To continue the tradition, I took more shitty cell phone pics for you "people"

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Please forgive the shitty quality, its a cell phone and the light in the big tent was terrible. For a couple of the rear end shots I had to creep behind the security guy and lean out, so its not level. This is the "roller" not the "driver" so it had what looked like black cardboard blacking out the backside of the rims, behind the cardboard calipers and rotors.

Does no one else have better pics? I can't have been the only one there snapping away at this thing.

I am sorry, but I don't get that design... that rear makes me want to puke, looks like a Nissan Juke front mashed on the back of the 5....

I could do without the dual exhaust tips. Is that supposed to make it more powerful?

What I like is there are three dials for HVAC controls, AS GOD INTENDED. You can adjust function, fan speed, and fan direction by hand and by touch without looking away from the road.

If I have a "serious" complaint about this car, I could whine about why couldn't they cover the front wheels with the front bumper for once. But whatever, it looks good, and in ten years the natrackdaybrah cars will all have flat airdam noses anyway. Which ... now that I look at it again with that in mind, does not look nearly as simple as for an NA/NB.

meanwhile Ford makes turbo cars and 500hp v8s using 87 octane.

that rear is so ugly.


Why do designers continue to design in fake bumpers? this isn't 1950 anymore. cars don't have big chrome bumpers bolted to them anymore.

I think it looks rad. Would buy, when I can get one for less than 10k :giggle:

Makes me glad my daily gets 48 mpg so I don't feel guilty hooning in the Miata constantly.

The cool thing is that I averaged 30 mpg on the way down to MRLS. Probably could do better when I get the cruise control installed.

Gordon thanks for that straight-on rear shot. I have never looked at it from that angle and... I don't like that view.

Love the rest of it though. I feel like its more of a natural progression from the NB in the nose, almost like the bloaty-looking NC never existed.

Keep in mind the wide FOV in the photo exaggerates how bulbous the rear end it.

Remember, it's a stock powered Miata, so not many cars will be seeing it from behind ;)

Because legal and DOT.

As someone who has actually designed a car, I'm going to give Derek Jenkins and crew some serious latitude, as these guys need to satisfy not only U.S. corporate but Japan too. THAT is a tall order for something as petty as a shift knob, let alone and entire car.

The ND is a wider car, which is why I think the designers pinched the back and put the taillights closer together. They're fooling the eye into thinking that you're not looking at a squat, wide pug of a car.

Bottom line for me is this is my favorite MX-5. By far. Under the skin they're doing what Porsche has done for decades, which is improve on a good design. Outside they've put a modern skin on the car with some classic references, and dropped 100Kg.

Finally, all you guys who say it looks like a BMW, or BRZ, or Jaguar (whatever)...good cars share proper proportions. There's only so much change you can do to a car to make it look good, without making it look wrong. FWIW if the 250TR came out now, it would be universally panned as ugly. Designs build on other designs, and the reference to other cars is part of why people say, "Oh, they did it better than XYZ."

I was there...

https://www.miataturbo.net/general-m...2/#post1165091

I wish I could give you more than 1 prop for that post.

Amen

I think this article explains it very well.

The Mathematics Of Beauty « OkTrends

my rear bumper actually saved my ass at the track this weekend. Backing it up into a tirewall at 15mph with a bumper and Styrofoam means no damage to anything (other than the bumper of course).

I didn't really see anything fake in the picture other than the jut, which is useful in low speed crashes. its not that nice to look at, but it might save you when little Brittney is texting in stop & go traffic.

Completely keyless trunk on this one? Hmm.

I think all mazdas are that way now. My 2012 2 is and it is kind of irritating. Especially since mazda only gave me one remote key and I let my wife have that one.

360° Reversal from the original car which didnt even have a keyless entry to the trunk.

Sure you don't mean 720, or 1080? ;)

When Mazda saw that rear end they turned 360 degrees and walked away

All this talk about turning 360 degrees? If you were looking at the car and saw the rear end and turned 360 degrees to walk away, you would walk directly into the car. A 360* "reversal" from the original car would have seen an initial car with key only entry, followed by a car with keyless only entry, and would have come back to a car with a key only entry.

The correct term is "did a complete 180". In this case, "a complete 360" is an exaggeration of the term, which ironically means the exact opposite of the term being exaggerated. I was going to let it go as trolling (it looks like niklas has it figured out) but "I can't stands for this no more!"

:vash:

... right into the rear end of the car.

Let's keep the level a clear notch over the Mnet overexplaineverythingorthenoobswillflameus.

How will you bolt in a rollbar on the ND?
Similar to the NC or even worse?

The fastback fixed coupé will not have that problem of course, but that one will not be the volume.

It's an old troll from when the xbox 360 was released. Someone was either very stupid or trolling when he made a post that said "they called it the xbox 360 because when you see it you turn 360 degrees and walk away."

That would be me.

I'm very strongly considering it, depending on the drivetrain specs. If it's a 2.0 in the 180-200hp range it's VERY likely I will pick one up.

However, it's determinant on some other stuff.

BRZ is supposed to get a mid-cycle update next year (we know superchargers fit and the rumors of the STi BRZ won't go away).


I'm also waiting on more details from Keith at Flyin' Miata on the new coilovers and roll bar they have developed for the NC. My '06 only has 46k miles on it, so I'm considering suspension/wheels/2.5 swap and keep it.

If the 2016 Focus comes in AWD with a turbo and can net me good MPG's and doesn't cost more than an STI, i'll buy that. (i know totally different car than an ND)

If not. I'm buying one of these.

^Yes! I'm also very interested to see if Audi will bring over the RS3 next year.

4 door hatch, AWD, 2.5L 5 cyl turbo with 350+ hp, 7 spd DCT.

I also like the M235i, just not sure about the whole $45-50k on a car when we are likely going to move next year.

Maintenance prices are also a big factor for me. I like parts bin cars(miata).

Are they making and AWD version? that would be interesting.

Yeah, the RS is supposed to be AWD and all sorts of fun. As opposed to now where it's FWD and all sorts of fun.

I've said it before, I'll be elated if it makes 180 peak, but I'll be more than happy with 165hp on tap for the ND. Just hope it gets 40mpg all day long. (dd status, whatup)

Anyway...

Anyone know why they didn't put the battery in the trunk?

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Don't think they could have gotten it any further forward.

The NC is mega far forward in the engine bay as well, same with the rx8. It costs less money in wiring.

Ahh, didn't know that about the NC.

Obviously it has no adverse effects on handling or weight distribution.

fixed :)

Easier to get it really light with a LiFePO in that location, lowering the front weight at the same time.

At NC launch the blurb was that the front location was more central than a rear one.

They wanted to make ditching 25lbs super easy. They're really nice like that.

Hey, +1 for more trunk space too... DD status sounds even better. haha

Double the amount of kitty supplies!

Sounds like a prime candidate for a piston swap for 9:1 and a twinscroll 7064 or 7163. With 17x275 I think we can count on actually putting that power down too... I'll be interested to see how much overbore you could get away with.

The wheel wells don't look particularly large. Looks smaller than the NC even. Those are 16" wheels right? maybe they've finally realized you don't need 17's on a Miata...

16", with optional 17". That's what's on the car sites at least.

The demo cars had 16s and 17s on them. I think that the first thing I'm going to do is test fit as many 15" wheels as possible when I get an ND.

Good luck finding 4x100 17x10s that aren't custom or ridiculously heavy 17x9 eBay specials.

Yep, 195/50/16 or 205/45/17 (205/45/17 being the NC size). So on a 220lb lighter car should be plenty of grip.

I should try to be the first on the market for a reroute kit...

glad to see they are still going with the in-cabin "Extra-thrill-excitement" airbox.

"Build it, and they will come."