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Originally Posted by Dunning Kruger Affect
(Post 1163887)
It's everyone trying to say how much they hate the ND and how the NC was the pinnacle of both Mazda engineering and design. They're a bunch of pearl clenchers.
Go back to mnet so you can live in unicorn dream land. Why can't Mazda make engines like Honda? Honda is the #1 manufacturer of internal combustion engines IN THE WORLD. They have the expertise and development. I'm sorry to break it to you that Mazda doesn't have a motorcycle or F1 division to draw experience from, but those are the breaks. The Miata formula has always been the FWD econo motor turned sideways, and huge surprise... the ND is going to have a FWD econo motor turned sideways. I think that if the rated horsepower is above 165HP, we'll be absolutely golden. Also interesting is the Skyactiv-G engine. We in America get a 2.0 liter Skyactiv-G with 155 horsepower and 150 lb-ft of torque. You can find that engine in a CX-5, for instance. It is entirely possible that the ND Miata will have a different spec for its engine, however. |
Originally Posted by Dunning Kruger Affect
(Post 1163887)
I I'm sorry to break it to you that Mazda doesn't have a motorcycle or F1 division to draw experience from, but those are the breaks.
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Originally Posted by Tekel
(Post 1163889)
To quote Jalopnik on this one.
Mazda3: 148hp, 135ft-lbs MX-5: 167hp, 140ft-lbs I still think that 160-165hp with 155-158ft-lbs is a reasonable expectation for the ND. |
Originally Posted by Dunning Kruger Affect
(Post 1163887)
. The Miata formula has always been the FWD econo motor turned sideways, and huge surprise... the ND is going to have a FWD econo motor turned sideways.
I think that if the rated horsepower is above 165HP, we'll be absolutely golden. |
Why is everyone hung up on the base HP of the car? All previous models had meager amounts and that hasn't stopped us from having some shit-your-pants fast Miatas.
Are we assuming that the free market will not give us a means of slapping a big ass trubo on one and continuing the tradition of embarrassing much more expensive cars in our hairdresser cars? |
You will take 165hp all day long because 35mpg city/47mpg highway.
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I like it. When does the new club sport come out?
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My only concern with the skyactive G motor is modability. A few people I know running around in the new 3's and 6's have been complaining about how high strung the motors are and not a lot of room to improve upon aftermarket.
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Originally Posted by dieselmiata
(Post 1163901)
Why is everyone hung up on the base HP of the car? All previous models had meager amounts and that hasn't stopped us from having some shit-your-pants fast Miatas. Are we assuming that the free market will not give us a means of slapping a big ass trubo on one and continuing the tradition of embarrassing much more expensive cars in our hairdresser cars?
Then again, it's not the ugliest miata ever produced so there's hope :giggle: |
Let the ten year wait for this thing to drop in price enough on the used market for me to afford one and not care about moding it begin... :hsugh:
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The reason I want it to be 200hp instead of 165ish is because a car designed for 165 may have a drivetrain that can handle 250-275ish but one designed for 200 will maybe take 300ish. I'm just hopeful for the future capacities to be great enough.
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Big grill opening = good for bigass radiator to cool big turbo power.
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I'm sorry I don't buy that mazda is incapable of building a decent engine (200 NA). If Subaru can do it with a craptasic boxer engine. They should atleast use the 2.5 out of the cx-5
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I hear the ND has EPAS.
Guess I was ahead of my time when I converted my power steering to electric assist a while back. |
Originally Posted by ctdrftna
(Post 1163940)
I'm sorry I don't buy that mazda is incapable of building a decent engine (200 NA). If Subaru can do it with a craptasic boxer engine. They should atleast use the 2.5 out of the cx-5
It's that they wont. No matter how much we cry about it. Believe it or not, but the thousands of old farts that will be buying these new off the lot will consider them really fast and never really mod them. People like you (and I) that will buy them 10 years later when they're in the teens or under 10 grand........Mazda doesn't really care about those people |
Originally Posted by Godless Commie
(Post 1163947)
I hear the ND has EPAS.
Guess I was ahead of my time when I converted my power steering to electric assist a while back. |
The NC has hydraulic power steering. Some nerd on Mnet is having a meltdown, it's pretty funny:
I am angry. Really angry. I hold my tongue about most designs because I am not the target market, but this car, I AM THE TARGET MARKET. The worst part is knowing that every time I see one of these things I will see a great opportunity lost. Gone. Over. The car has wonderful overall proportions, and that's what makes the designer's crime all the more vile. Sick. Awful. They destroyed it for no other reason than to stroking their own egos. In the end they'll know they failed. The car isn't great, and it could have been. It'll go down as just a footnote to the NA. This small, tight, pure little machine should not be infected, festooned or decorated with the trite, weakass nonsense crap of some clueless egotistical designer or design boss. One of the forum members once asked why all cars can't be beautiful. Well here's the reason. HUMAN NATURE. They can't help getting their egos involved. They want to put their fingerprints on it, "sign it", graffiti-ize it. Oh and they did. I can think of a few other phrases and words that describe what they did but are not fit for this forum. A beautiful design requires restraint, maturity and discipline on the part of the designer. An Aston V8 Vantage, a E46 M3, a Cord 810 all from the heart. All pure. How quickly stupidity and ego can turn an E-type into a Daimler Dart. The only reason I am not screaming "moron!" to the people that say they like the car is because I am giving them the benefit of the doubt. I think that what they are seeing are the great overall proportions and not the detail warts and tortured surfaces from the design team. I can't live with those. I will not buy one. EVER. |
Originally Posted by Dunning Kruger Affect
(Post 1163964)
Some nerd on Mnet is having a meltdown, it's pretty funny:
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Oh man
http://forums.euw.leagueoflegends.co...hmentid=144476 I was going to recommend trolling, but that thread looks like it has more than enough drama already. Also, I don't know where the m.net tears gif is from, but thats fucking amazing :bowrofl: |
That mnet guys post made my head hurt.
Staying away from mnet cause I know if I go to that thread I'll troll so hard I'll get permabanned |
Originally Posted by ctdrftna
(Post 1163940)
I'm sorry I don't buy that mazda is incapable of building a decent engine (200 NA). If Subaru can do it with a craptasic boxer engine. They should atleast use the 2.5 out of the cx-5
What else are they going to use it in, though? The thing with the FA20 you're talking about is, that it's not just a Subaru design. Subaru wouldn't have done that by itself. AND they're using it in other vehicles. This continues the Miata trend of raiding the parts bin for a pedestrian motor that works just fine and lets the average person actually be able to AFFORD the thing. To hear everyone talk, it's like they expected Mazda's take on the Alfa 4C, but with an MSRP of $25k. U srs? |
Originally Posted by EO2K
(Post 1163980)
Oh man
http://forums.euw.leagueoflegends.co...hmentid=144476 I was going to recommend trolling, but that thread looks like it has more than enough drama already. Also, I don't know where the m.net tears gif is from, but thats fucking amazing :bowrofl: |
I'm excited to see how well built the transmission and engine internals are. Would be nice if the engine was nice and burly from the factory.
Also how well the ECU takes new maps. That is what I love about my VW TDI ECU. Can take a lot of tuning very well without hitting limits besides needing a new MAP sensor if you put a Touareg turbo on it. NC pinnacle of design? Fucking crack is M.net smoking besides the usually "OEM or fuck off" mentality. |
Originally Posted by concealer404
(Post 1163984)
What else are they going to use it in, though?
The thing with the FA20 you're talking about is, that it's not just a Subaru design. Subaru wouldn't have done that by itself. AND they're using it in other vehicles. This continues the Miata trend of raiding the parts bin for a pedestrian motor that works just fine and lets the average person actually be able to AFFORD the thing. To hear everyone talk, it's like they expected Mazda's take on the Alfa 4C, but with an MSRP of $25k. U srs? Agreed on the rest of the post tho. |
Link to said thread?
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Originally Posted by Godless Commie
(Post 1163991)
Link to said thread?
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And they don't think the car looks good? Jesus people are hard to please. It is a big step up in my opinion. Sure it lost its "cuteness" but I for one don't think that is a terrible thing, especially when it comes to sales.
Let me put it this way. My Father who owns several Porsches has money in hand to pick one up he likes the look of it so much. He has never said one positive thing about Miatas(besides saying I made one of the few that looks good) and he LOVES the look of this one. |
Originally Posted by 18psi
(Post 1163990)
the FA is a subaru design.
Agreed on the rest of the post tho. It's not just Subaru, though. Yamaha had their dirty little fingers in the heads much like all the good Toyotas in the past. Regardless, the point was that 200hp 2.0 litres are not as common as the internet would have you believe. There's the Hondas, and there's the FA20. There really isn't anything else produced on anything remotely resembling a massive level. There were more in the past because emissions and mpg weren't as big a concern, and if you look at the cars they came in, account for inflation, the MSRP wasn't even close to what the ND will sell for. The ND will be cheaper than the 1989 Miata. How's that for progress? |
Originally Posted by Dunning Kruger Affect
(Post 1163993)
Also, this is the best thing on the internet right now. :bowrofl: |
Originally Posted by concealer404
(Post 1164002)
Also, this is the best thing on the internet right now. :bowrofl:
Props to whoever posted the Chill Pill pic. |
Originally Posted by Dunning Kruger Affect
(Post 1164003)
HE'S A CAR DESIGNER, YOU'RE THE INSANE ONE
Props to whoever posted the Chill Pill pic. |
Originally Posted by Dunning Kruger Affect
(Post 1164003)
HE'S A CAR DESIGNER, YOU'RE THE INSANE ONE
Props to whoever posted the Chill Pill pic. |
He's just feeling blue, give him a midol.
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ROFL m.netter special edition, comes with daisys:
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1409853586 |
Sounds like he forgot to take out his sandy tampon before he inserted a fresh one.
I find it hilarious that people still react this way with new model releases. WHAT DO YOU MEAN THE CAR MANUFACTURE DIDN'T MAKE EVERYTHING PERFECT. These morons obviously were never Subaru or VW owners. You get used to them not doing what you hope and just accept it for what it is. A minor improvement and face refresh to bring in new customers. Reminds me of when the 2011 and up Jetta sedan was released. All the fanbois were horrified that VW took 5k off the price tag(cutting material quality). What they didn't pay attention to was the fact that VW sales of those models went up like 200%. Fanbois don't make car manufactures money. The general populace, who don't spend time on car forums do...you know....the majority. |
^^ which is why self driving cars are coming and manual transmissions are on their way out... sadly.
For the record I am ok with electric cars with their crazy torque, but I want to at least drive it myself. |
Fuckin Lanny Chambers it he smartest guy in that thread.
Think hard about why you buy sports cars... |
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I bought a Miata to pick up dudes, didn't everyone?
Originally Posted by concealer404
(Post 1164030)
#SWAG
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I mean....that was just a perk I didn't consider originally. All the ricer bois in this city seem to want to jump my bones so...I guess mission accomplished.
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The thing design wise that kills the overall design is the big ass rear bumper and the indecisive lights. Also I didnt care for the tablet on the dash. It seems like a last minute decision. Do you think they might develop and app that integrates with the steering controls and speaker system into a tablet? That comes with additional features on the app like On star does with chevy(locking doors, remote start, etc) Shit that would be kind of cool but damn it looks ugly on the dash.
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Interior is awesome. Exterior has a lot of good, some bad.
Overall, my favorite design other than the NA. Probably end up owning one (since I've had one of all the other generations), after I can drive it. If it has RX8 or better steering, AZ6 or better shifting, NB or better lightness feeling. Just worried it's too fast. Yes, too fast. The NA6 can be redlined everywhere. It's fun. The NC doesn't have as much of that, and putting what is likely the most powerful engine in a very light car might put it on the 'start to take care where you redline' scale. |
Originally Posted by Nagase
(Post 1164050)
I Just worried it's too fast. Yes, too fast. The NA6 can be redlined everywhere. It's fun. The NC doesn't have as much of that, and putting what is likely the most powerful engine in a very light car might put it on the 'start to take care where you redline' scale. |
Originally Posted by ScottyP3821
(Post 1164049)
The thing design wise that kills the overall design is the big ass rear bumper and the indecisive lights. Also I didnt care for the tablet on the dash. It seems like a last minute decision. Do you think they might develop and app that integrates with the steering controls and speaker system into a tablet? That comes with additional features on the app like On star does with chevy(locking doors, remote start, etc) Shit that would be kind of cool but damn it looks ugly on the dash.
The "tablet on the dash" is currently available in at least one car in their lineup to the best of my knowledge. Or a 2015 model. The point is that this isn't new to the Miata, and you will be able to buy the Miata without it i'm 99% sure. |
Originally Posted by ScottyP3821
(Post 1164053)
I have a 250hp 215ftlb tq miata. Its still not fast enough.
I have a 240whp/220wtq miata. It's completely fucktarded to drive on the street. |
Personally power/weight wise, IMO it just needs to hang with the BRZ/FRS. That would be enough for me, as long as the chassis is good and there's room for aftermarket :).
That said, I'm pretty excited that this came out and NC's will drop in price. Might have to upgrade one of these days, as I actually like the look of a clean simple NC. |
Originally Posted by Fireindc
(Post 1164071)
That said, I'm pretty excited that this came out and NC's will drop in price. Might have to upgrade one of these days, as I actually like the look of a clean simple NC.
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Like.
Curious how it compares to the BRZ family: Power/weight Wheel base and track width CoG and other suspension geo. |
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There really is no need for the "tablet" sticking out of the dash. It quite literally looks like it's a design mistake - as in "oops, forgot to include radio controls, might as well just glue them here"
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1409864517 |
Originally Posted by fooger03
(Post 1164093)
There really is no need for the "tablet" sticking out of the dash. It quite literally looks like it's a design mistake - as in "oops, forgot to include radio controls, might as well just glue them here"
It doesn't look fixed in any way... In fact, it looks like it may move down inside or even be removable. Or at least i hope. https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.n...2535050d4cd96d I've always found these dash TV's to be pretty distracting at night. |
Now, I wouldn't really be a fan of the unnecessary complexity of a moving data panel...but if it slid out of sight into the dash, that would be pretty slick.
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Originally Posted by ScottyP3821
(Post 1164053)
I have a 250hp 215ftlb tq miata. Its still not fast enough.
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That's what it looks like to me - folds down and then retracts into the slot. Seems they would do that just to make it less of a "steal me" sign if for no other reason.
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That's what the mazda3 dash looks like now as well
http://image.motortrend.com/f/wot/ma...erior-dash.jpg Also, it is optional on the 3. The base model has a smaller fixed display there. |
It's not a pretty choice, but apparently it works well on the Mazda3. Necessary evil, I guess. :/
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Might have to do with the US mandating backup camera's in all cars in a few years.
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Maybe the base model will have this
http://media.caranddriver.com/images...s-1280x782.jpg I could live with it |
Display is fixed, does not fold or stow away, according to an m.netter who sat in it.
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That's not awkward looking at all.
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