DGR Coilovers - Anybody got their hands on these yet?
02-20-2011, 02:27 PM
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You are still a complete ******* moron sir. I would think with experience comes knowledge. But if you've never experienced better coilovers, how could you know?because of this I don't hold you accountable for your actions.
Greentee my example was of a driver from flyin miata website. If you look at their afco coilovers you can read the story. I live in Texas and I was @ Harris hill road. Like I said 3 times already, I don't expect to pickup more than 2 seconds in dry conditions. Are you trying to say I didn't notice I had changed my wheels and tires? Did you miss the part about my track notes and log book? Do you think I wasn't trying to pass every Porsche I could the 1:36 lap? I was and I did. Both days. I only drive one way...........flat out. Lol if there's any difference, it's that my tires were more worn down the 1:30 lap possibly giving me a little more grip than full tread as the track dried out.
Greentee my example was of a driver from flyin miata website. If you look at their afco coilovers you can read the story. I live in Texas and I was @ Harris hill road. Like I said 3 times already, I don't expect to pickup more than 2 seconds in dry conditions. Are you trying to say I didn't notice I had changed my wheels and tires? Did you miss the part about my track notes and log book? Do you think I wasn't trying to pass every Porsche I could the 1:36 lap? I was and I did. Both days. I only drive one way...........flat out. Lol if there's any difference, it's that my tires were more worn down the 1:30 lap possibly giving me a little more grip than full tread as the track dried out.
I'm just not sure why a big deal is being made about these DGRs. To me it's the same as everything else already out there...
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02-20-2011, 02:42 PM
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Yes, so I don't know why this discussion became so serious. I do this **** for fun, and mainly to become a better driver. I can't afford XIDAs, but I can afford taiwanese ****... in my experience, they still helped me drop my time--could it be shocks, tires, driver improvement?? Who knows, but my time improved and I'm happy based on that alone.
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02-20-2011, 06:25 PM
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Yes, so I don't know why this discussion became so serious. I do this **** for fun, and mainly to become a better driver. I can't afford XIDAs, but I can afford taiwanese ****... in my experience, they still helped me drop my time--could it be shocks, tires, driver improvement?? Who knows, but my time improved and I'm happy based on that alone.
If you already have a decent suspension, large lap time changes come from the driver, not from fine tuning the suspension slightly. You won't find 10 seconds. If you do it came from some other things, the other parts were broken, motor mods, etc, etc.
When GRM compared coilovers on a Miata via autocross they found Shaik's kit and the not highly regarded PSS Bilstein kit (the one with equal spring rates front and rear) were just 0.2 seconds apart for the best results. That was with datalogged experienced test drivers. Bone stock was solidly slower than both. But nowhere near 10 seconds either.
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02-20-2011, 07:26 PM
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Sounds like quite a few varibles IF you truly want to claim the improvement came from some part you put onto your car. Most guys just want to have some fun.
If you already have a decent suspension, large lap time changes come from the driver, not from fine tuning the suspension slightly. You won't find 10 seconds. If you do it came from some other things, the other parts were broken, motor mods, etc, etc.
When GRM compared coilovers on a Miata via autocross they found Shaik's kit and the not highly regarded PSS Bilstein kit (the one with equal spring rates front and rear) were just 0.2 seconds apart for the best results. That was with datalogged experienced test drivers. Bone stock was solidly slower than both. But nowhere near 10 seconds either.
If you already have a decent suspension, large lap time changes come from the driver, not from fine tuning the suspension slightly. You won't find 10 seconds. If you do it came from some other things, the other parts were broken, motor mods, etc, etc.
When GRM compared coilovers on a Miata via autocross they found Shaik's kit and the not highly regarded PSS Bilstein kit (the one with equal spring rates front and rear) were just 0.2 seconds apart for the best results. That was with datalogged experienced test drivers. Bone stock was solidly slower than both. But nowhere near 10 seconds either.
you act like everyone here is a newb and has zero track experience. of course someone in that situation would improve solely with seat time. but at some point, especially with stickier tires, your suspension as in jacob300zx's
examples, can become the weak point or hinderence to faster lap times. which was my case.
greentee....you do know that i was speaking directly to sgtmarcy at the top of my post (as a reply to the quote above it) right? lol, and even then it was more in ******* humor than angst. towards him and not you. however, you did mention that my lap time might be because i had different tires or wasn't trying hard. or did i read that wrong? and serious? **** yea we're serious. going fast is serious bizznezz. seriously fun, *******, business. serious as a wart on your dick....
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02-20-2011, 07:39 PM
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so why do you argue? that's exactly what everyone has said. i think changing from shocks and ebay sleeves, to a full coilover with twice the spring rate does not count as "slightly tuning your suspension" and none of us were talking about stupid auto-x. if someone can pick-up 3 seconds on a 1min. auto-x, why is it so unbelieveable to pick-up 6 on a 2min. road course?
you act like everyone here is a newb and has zero track experience. of course someone in that situation would improve solely with seat time. but at some point, especially with stickier tires, your suspension as in jacob300zx's
examples, can become the weak point or hinderence to faster lap times. which was my case.
greentee....you do know that i was speaking directly to sgtmarcy at the top of my post (as a reply to the quote above it) right? lol, and even then it was more in ******* humor than angst. towards him and not you. however, you did mention that my lap time might be because i had different tires or wasn't trying hard. or did i read that wrong? and serious? **** yea we're serious. going fast is serious bizznezz. seriously fun, *******, business. serious as a wart on your dick....
you act like everyone here is a newb and has zero track experience. of course someone in that situation would improve solely with seat time. but at some point, especially with stickier tires, your suspension as in jacob300zx's
examples, can become the weak point or hinderence to faster lap times. which was my case.
greentee....you do know that i was speaking directly to sgtmarcy at the top of my post (as a reply to the quote above it) right? lol, and even then it was more in ******* humor than angst. towards him and not you. however, you did mention that my lap time might be because i had different tires or wasn't trying hard. or did i read that wrong? and serious? **** yea we're serious. going fast is serious bizznezz. seriously fun, *******, business. serious as a wart on your dick....
Let's examine the 10 second/lap anecdote. Suppose we were on a 1.5 mile road course with an 80 MPH average speed. 80 MPH is ~117 feet per second. So just a one second per lap improvement would mean that each lap one would gain 117 feet over the prior version of the same car. 10 seconds? Well over a 1000 feet per lap, every single lap.
Umm…no.
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02-20-2011, 08:53 PM
#168
I'm not one you'll find claiming 6 second, 10 second per lap improvements from slapping on a different coilover setup. See, THOSE, are the extraordinary claims.
Let's examine the 10 second/lap anecdote. Suppose we were on a 1.5 mile road course with an 80 MPH average speed. 80 MPH is ~117 feet per second. So just a one second per lap improvement would mean that each lap one would gain 117 feet over the prior version of the same car. 10 seconds? Well over a 1000 feet per lap, every single lap.
Umm…no.
Let's examine the 10 second/lap anecdote. Suppose we were on a 1.5 mile road course with an 80 MPH average speed. 80 MPH is ~117 feet per second. So just a one second per lap improvement would mean that each lap one would gain 117 feet over the prior version of the same car. 10 seconds? Well over a 1000 feet per lap, every single lap.
Umm…no.
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02-20-2011, 09:24 PM
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I don't think anyone can out arm chair Marcy. I think he's faster than Emilio so even those Xida's are no match for Marcy's skilz. You need some of that mineral water and motons dog.
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10-12-2011, 02:37 PM
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kinda bringin this back from the dead. im in the market for some coils. i think im just going to go megan though... but i contacted dgr as well and i got this back after i said i wasnt interested anymore due to the bad reviews ( AKA pretty much reading through this thread, lawl)
not sure if this means anything to anyone. but i thought i would just share. pretty ball-sy saying that they dont compare to BC's, cause i know BC is the ****.
Keep in mind, those negative reviews was under the old owner. Since then he's been replaced with me. Honestly when it comes to quality of what you're getting, megan and bc wont even come close to dgr. We have better valving, upgraded springs to road magnet (custom spring rates) and have a lifetime warranty. If you change your mind just let me know and I can get you setup.
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11-08-2011, 10:00 AM
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BTW, I have a friend that is running these on his LS swap Miata and has set some wicked lap times (1:53 at TWS for example). Could he be running faster on Xidas? Maybe so,....but he is still hauling serious *** with these. Claims it handles like a dream and hooks up something serious. I have yet to get any seat time in the car.
SM times at tws are 2:02-03
My fast lap at that track in my factory five cobra with aero and 350 rwhp was 1:52 and change.
SM times at tws are 2:02-03
My fast lap at that track in my factory five cobra with aero and 350 rwhp was 1:52 and change.
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11-10-2011, 05:34 PM
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kinda related... i thought i would post it anyways, cause i know how much everyone loves Russ
http://clubroadster.net/vb_forum/showthread.php?t=53120
http://clubroadster.net/vb_forum/showthread.php?t=53120
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