Oh yea!
I am not sure why the ppl on this forum take me the wrong way all the time. you made a few references to a SoCal track where they don't race SM but they often test and tune there. I had a hunch of which it was and offered my OWN experience w/ another set of Taiwanese shocks. Tried to offer another viewpoint is all. Lots of new variables between each track day I attend, but my main concern is driver improvement...

I'm just not sure why a big deal is being made about these DGRs. To me it's the same as everything else already out there...

 

Because they are lol....

 

Yes, so I don't know why this discussion became so serious. I do this **** for fun, and mainly to become a better driver. I can't afford XIDAs, but I can afford taiwanese ****... in my experience, they still helped me drop my time--could it be shocks, tires, driver improvement?? Who knows, but my time improved and I'm happy based on that alone.

 

That's really all that matters...
It only sucks when you waste the $ and aren't happy, and I think that's ultimately what the entire conversation tries to persuade

 

Sounds like quite a few varibles IF you truly want to claim the improvement came from some part you put onto your car. Most guys just want to have some fun.

If you already have a decent suspension, large lap time changes come from the driver, not from fine tuning the suspension slightly. You won't find 10 seconds. If you do it came from some other things, the other parts were broken, motor mods, etc, etc.

When GRM compared coilovers on a Miata via autocross they found Shaik's kit and the not highly regarded PSS Bilstein kit (the one with equal spring rates front and rear) were just 0.2 seconds apart for the best results. That was with datalogged experienced test drivers. Bone stock was solidly slower than both. But nowhere near 10 seconds either.

 

so why do you argue? that's exactly what everyone has said. i think changing from shocks and ebay sleeves, to a full coilover with twice the spring rate does not count as "slightly tuning your suspension" and none of us were talking about stupid auto-x. if someone can pick-up 3 seconds on a 1min. auto-x, why is it so unbelieveable to pick-up 6 on a 2min. road course?
you act like everyone here is a newb and has zero track experience. of course someone in that situation would improve solely with seat time. but at some point, especially with stickier tires, your suspension as in jacob300zx's
examples, can become the weak point or hinderence to faster lap times. which was my case.

greentee....you do know that i was speaking directly to sgtmarcy at the top of my post (as a reply to the quote above it) right? lol, and even then it was more in ******* humor than angst. towards him and not you. however, you did mention that my lap time might be because i had different tires or wasn't trying hard. or did i read that wrong? and serious? **** yea we're serious. going fast is serious bizznezz. seriously fun, *******, business. serious as a wart on your dick....

 

I'm not one you'll find claiming 6 second, 10 second per lap improvements from slapping on a different coilover setup. See, THOSE, are the extraordinary claims.

Let's examine the 10 second/lap anecdote. Suppose we were on a 1.5 mile road course with an 80 MPH average speed. 80 MPH is ~117 feet per second. So just a one second per lap improvement would mean that each lap one would gain 117 feet over the prior version of the same car. 10 seconds? Well over a 1000 feet per lap, every single lap.

Umm…no.

 

this is the 5th time i'll say this, i didn't drop 6 seconds from my best lap there, only from like conditions. (wet) with only change being the coilovers. i expect about 2 seconds over my best in full dry conditions. 10 seconds? did you read the fine print dumb ***? it was a joke, i really was that much faster but that was 2 years of development later, better tires, aero, lsd instead of welded diff, driver mod..(but zero seat time at that track in those 2 years) don't use that out of context to make me sound like a liar. was i driving different? of course! with stiffer springs and valving to match, i was able to brake later, turn faster and get on throttle earlier and harder than ever before with my weak springs and kyb's. the car was also more composed which gave me more confidence to charge the fast corners. either way i couldn't have done it without the new coilovers. a pro (again as in jakes example) probably could have gotten every last second out of my kyb setup and maybe only been a couple seconds faster with the new coilovers (in the wet) but hey, what do you know, that's all i hope for in full dry conditions....i'd be happy with that. faster and much easier to drive? win-win

 

I don't think anyone can out arm chair Marcy. I think he's faster than Emilio so even those Xida's are no match for Marcy's skilz. You need some of that mineral water and motons dog.

 

for sure! he could beat emilio in his own car on stock springs and r pkg. bilsteins.

 

kinda bringin this back from the dead. im in the market for some coils. i think im just going to go megan though... but i contacted dgr as well and i got this back after i said i wasnt interested anymore due to the bad reviews ( AKA pretty much reading through this thread, lawl)



not sure if this means anything to anyone. but i thought i would just share. pretty ball-sy saying that they dont compare to BC's, cause i know BC is the ****.

 

what does a new owner have to do with the quality of a product?

 

dont shoot me! im just the messenger!



on another note, i thought that those were features that came with em when the "other owner" owned DGR? if so, i think your onto something.

 

http://www.alibaba.com/trade/search?...oduct_en&fsb=y


I wouldn't get these....

 

BTW, I have a friend that is running these on his LS swap Miata and has set some wicked lap times (1:53 at TWS for example). Could he be running faster on Xidas? Maybe so,....but he is still hauling serious *** with these. Claims it handles like a dream and hooks up something serious. I have yet to get any seat time in the car.

SM times at tws are 2:02-03

My fast lap at that track in my factory five cobra with aero and 350 rwhp was 1:52 and change.

 

kinda related... i thought i would post it anyways, cause i know how much everyone loves Russ

http://clubroadster.net/vb_forum/showthread.php?t=53120