Notices
Build Threads Building a motor? Post the progress here.

Aidan's loose oily bunghole actually runs a track lap

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Dec 16, 2015 | 06:18 PM
  #5641  
aidandj's Avatar
Thread Starter
SADFab Destructive Testing Engineer
iTrader: (5)
 
Joined: Apr 2014
Posts: 18,643
Total Cats: 1,870
From: Beaverton, USA
Default

Ordered.

Going to pick up a pilot bearing locally. Cost was the same after shipping, if i wanted it before xmas.
Old Dec 16, 2015 | 09:00 PM
  #5642  
aidandj's Avatar
Thread Starter
SADFab Destructive Testing Engineer
iTrader: (5)
 
Joined: Apr 2014
Posts: 18,643
Total Cats: 1,870
From: Beaverton, USA
Default

OK the 2 real questions today.

1. Best way to do the rear line from the ABS block to the rear.

2. Do ABS lines line up with 929 or do they need adapters.
Old Dec 16, 2015 | 09:01 PM
  #5643  
codrus's Avatar
Elite Member
 
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 5,298
Total Cats: 884
From: Santa Clara, CA
Default

Originally Posted by aidandj
Turns out all the lines are there except the long one to the back. I can work with that.

@codrus do you have a diagram of the abs line routing? And where do you get all your diagrams from, I need that book you always send me pictures of.
Diagram of the brake hard lines or of the wiring?

The wiring diagram is in my ABS build thread. I got it from a friend who has the Alldata service.

I don't have a diagram of the brake lines. It's pretty simple -- two lines from master to prop-valve-shaped-thingey, two lines from there to ABS unit, 3 lines out from there to FL, FR, RR, one line that crosses over from RR to RL.

I got the master-to-prop, prop-to-abs, and abs-to-FR/FL lines from my donor vehicle, they were all pretty simple to install. abs-to-FR was the worst because it needed to snake through all the crap around the intake manifold. It takes a few minutes of staring at them to puzzle out which is which, but it's not that hard.

The rear crossover is identical, you don't need to change it. I'm going to assert that the abs-to-RR line is impossible to install with the motor & tranny in the car -- we wrestled with it for a while before giving up, cutting off the factory line, bending it over to the ABS unit, and flaring the end.

Which book do you mean? I have the Mazda FSM for 99 (that's the brown book that occasionally shows up in photos). There are PDFs of it linked in a sticky thread on mt.net somewhere.

--Ian
Old Dec 16, 2015 | 09:03 PM
  #5644  
codrus's Avatar
Elite Member
 
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 5,298
Total Cats: 884
From: Santa Clara, CA
Default

Originally Posted by aidandj
OK the 2 real questions today.

1. Best way to do the rear line from the ABS block to the rear.

2. Do ABS lines line up with 929 or do they need adapters.
1) The "right" way to do it is to take the motor out, swap the OEM line over, put the motor back in. It's a lot easier to cut/bend/flare.

2) They do not line up, you will need to make custom lines to adapt the 929 master to the ABS "prop valve". I used "cunifer" line from fedhillusa.com at the recommendation of someone I read on some forum, seemed to work well.

--Ian
Old Dec 16, 2015 | 09:14 PM
  #5645  
aidandj's Avatar
Thread Starter
SADFab Destructive Testing Engineer
iTrader: (5)
 
Joined: Apr 2014
Posts: 18,643
Total Cats: 1,870
From: Beaverton, USA
Default

Ok good to know. I'll go look at your thread. The line to RR is the only line I don't have.

Guess its just some custom lines.
Old Dec 16, 2015 | 09:23 PM
  #5646  
Leafy's Avatar
Elite Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 9,491
Total Cats: 105
From: NH
Default

Just buy the new OEM line from mazda. I did mine with the engine out but you could probably do it with the engine in.
Old Dec 16, 2015 | 09:52 PM
  #5647  
Monk's Avatar
Elite Member
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Apr 2014
Posts: 2,885
Total Cats: 617
From: Huntington, Indiana
Default

FYI, the hard lines are still hooked to the prop valve and the pump is labeled, so the only line you'll need to guess at is the front to back line. It's an easy guess.
It just goes straight up the passenger side iirc.
Old Dec 16, 2015 | 09:53 PM
  #5648  
aidandj's Avatar
Thread Starter
SADFab Destructive Testing Engineer
iTrader: (5)
 
Joined: Apr 2014
Posts: 18,643
Total Cats: 1,870
From: Beaverton, USA
Default

Wow, you da best. You make this too easy.
Old Dec 16, 2015 | 09:58 PM
  #5649  
codrus's Avatar
Elite Member
 
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 5,298
Total Cats: 884
From: Santa Clara, CA
Default

Originally Posted by Leafy
Just buy the new OEM line from mazda. I did mine with the engine out but you could probably do it with the engine in.
For the front-to-rear line? I spent an hour ******* with it before concluding it was never going to happen. Cutting/bending/flaring the non-ABS line took 15 minutes.

--Ian
Old Dec 16, 2015 | 09:59 PM
  #5650  
aidandj's Avatar
Thread Starter
SADFab Destructive Testing Engineer
iTrader: (5)
 
Joined: Apr 2014
Posts: 18,643
Total Cats: 1,870
From: Beaverton, USA
Default

Do you have pics of the cut/bend in your other thread?

Did you ever get to scope your abs sensor?
Old Dec 16, 2015 | 10:11 PM
  #5651  
codrus's Avatar
Elite Member
 
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 5,298
Total Cats: 884
From: Santa Clara, CA
Default

Originally Posted by aidandj
Do you have pics of the cut/bend in your other thread?

Did you ever get to scope your abs sensor?
Not detailed shots of the process, no. It's the front-left one in this installed shot:



There's not much to it. Unbolt it from the master, stare at it for 5-10 minutes to decide where it should go, then use your tubing bender to make it go there. Cut with your tubing cutter, put the flare nut on (don't forget this step!), then flare. Screw nut into ABS unit. Done.

No, I haven't had a chance to scope anything yet. Stuff exploded at work, somebody promised a customer an EFT image with a feature in it during "Q4", and that feature doesn't work yet. And it's the holidays. Oh, and did I mention I'm moving on Sunday? Out of a house with 10 years' accumulated crap in it? My life is insane, right now, I'm only reading mt.net because I'm waiting for stuff to compile.

--Ian
Attached Thumbnails Aidan's loose oily bunghole actually runs a track lap-abs31.jpg  
Old Dec 16, 2015 | 10:14 PM
  #5652  
aidandj's Avatar
Thread Starter
SADFab Destructive Testing Engineer
iTrader: (5)
 
Joined: Apr 2014
Posts: 18,643
Total Cats: 1,870
From: Beaverton, USA
Default

Lol. Good enough. Sounds like fun, good luck!
Old Dec 16, 2015 | 10:14 PM
  #5653  
codrus's Avatar
Elite Member
 
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 5,298
Total Cats: 884
From: Santa Clara, CA
Default

(Sorry, that came out harsher than I intended. I'll scope ABS stuff once I get moved into the new house and have the lift set up )

--Ian
Old Dec 16, 2015 | 10:32 PM
  #5654  
aidandj's Avatar
Thread Starter
SADFab Destructive Testing Engineer
iTrader: (5)
 
Joined: Apr 2014
Posts: 18,643
Total Cats: 1,870
From: Beaverton, USA
Default

No worries! Just checking in. I might have it installed in my own car soon anyways.
Old Dec 17, 2015 | 07:38 AM
  #5655  
rleete's Avatar
Elite Member
iTrader: (21)
 
Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 6,794
Total Cats: 1,342
From: Rochester, NY
Default

Originally Posted by codrus
Cut with your tubing cutter, put the flare nut on (don't forget this step!), then flare.
I can't count the number of times I've flared a line before remembering the nut goes on first.
Old Dec 17, 2015 | 12:03 PM
  #5656  
aidandj's Avatar
Thread Starter
SADFab Destructive Testing Engineer
iTrader: (5)
 
Joined: Apr 2014
Posts: 18,643
Total Cats: 1,870
From: Beaverton, USA
Default

@yank has benders and flare tools so we're good there. Need to order line. Or just find it locally.
Old Dec 17, 2015 | 06:51 PM
  #5657  
Leafy's Avatar
Elite Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 9,491
Total Cats: 105
From: NH
Default

Originally Posted by codrus
For the front-to-rear line? I spent an hour ******* with it before concluding it was never going to happen. Cutting/bending/flaring the non-ABS line took 15 minutes.

--Ian
Yeah the rear line. The NB one just dropped right in with some minor adjusting near the firewall and fuel lines. It was easy. And I didnt have to flare anything.
Old Dec 17, 2015 | 06:52 PM
  #5658  
aidandj's Avatar
Thread Starter
SADFab Destructive Testing Engineer
iTrader: (5)
 
Joined: Apr 2014
Posts: 18,643
Total Cats: 1,870
From: Beaverton, USA
Default

Engine in or out?

Either way I don't have one. Whats the price from mazda for a new one?
Old Dec 17, 2015 | 06:54 PM
  #5659  
Leafy's Avatar
Elite Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 9,491
Total Cats: 105
From: NH
Default

Like $50 bucks after shipping. The price went up substantially since I bought mine. I think they caught on.
Old Dec 17, 2015 | 06:57 PM
  #5660  
aidandj's Avatar
Thread Starter
SADFab Destructive Testing Engineer
iTrader: (5)
 
Joined: Apr 2014
Posts: 18,643
Total Cats: 1,870
From: Beaverton, USA
Default

No thanks. I'll bend and flare. I'm already over $500 into the swap. (so one set of fucked tires )



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 11:38 PM.