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sixshooter 06-24-2014 04:52 PM


Originally Posted by shuiend (Post 1142956)
How big is the Florida miata turbo scene? I might be game to drive down in the fall for a dyno day if I get my car back together by then.

Yeah, we're all at different points in the cycle. Mine is running, Ryan's is mostly stock, and Troy's is all apart. And this time last year mine was running, Ryan's was mostly stock, and Troy's was all apart. And the year before that mine was running, Ryan's was mostly stock, and Troy's was all apart.


EDIT: And our street hero, Pdexta, is naturally aspirated, boohoohoo!

shellshox345 06-25-2014 05:05 PM

Awesome build thread. I noticed you're using FM sways (unless I missed something). Is there any particular reason why you went with that setup over the Racing Beat bar? I've been researching sways and people seem to favor the RB, but it doesn't seem like those people spend as much time on the track as you.

sixshooter 06-27-2014 07:27 AM

I am using the FM sways. I got them because they were for sale used locally. They are adjustable with two mounting holes in the front and three in the rear, which is nice for fine tuning the car's balance. The RBs are also adjustable.

Because the FM rear bar is a little thicker than others, you use a slightly softer rear coils or stronger fronts to achieve the same cornering balance, since the coils and sways are a system that works together. If the front to rear relationship is off the car will either be prone to plow or spin. My car is balanced with two people and a full tank but a little tail happy with just me and less than half a tank. I need to change from my 550/350 springs to 600/350 (more strength in front) or 550/325 (less strength in rear) for best balance to compensate when the rear of the car is light. It is all about balance. If I had a stronger front bar or weaker rear bar it would also accomplish the same shift in balance (the front is in the full stiff position and the rear is currently in the full soft position as I have it balanced for now).

TL;DR
You can use any sway bar combination you want but you need to scale your coil springs to give you the proper balance for whatever you use.

I like the ISC Racing sway bar and mounts for all out baller status. It puts the RB and FM bars on the nightshift.

shellshox345 06-27-2014 07:57 AM

Wow, thanks for the info!

sixshooter 06-30-2014 11:47 AM

I smoked the standard Wilwood BP10 pads in about half a weekend. I'm getting the Cobalt XR2 pads in for them now.

I am also upgrading to ARP lug studs because of their extended length and increased strength. And I'll be repacking the wheel bearings while it's apart.

sixshooter 07-12-2014 05:32 PM

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sixshooter 07-12-2014 05:33 PM

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240_to_miata 07-12-2014 08:05 PM

Info on scoops please! where did you purchase them & how are they held in?

sixshooter 07-12-2014 08:27 PM


Originally Posted by 240_to_miata (Post 1147658)
Info on scoops please! where did you purchase them & how are they held in?

2012 WRX side bumper extractors bought from the local dealership for about $23 apiece.

I measured and measured again then used masking tape to make guide lines. I used a cut off wheel and a big air compressor. I trimmed a small plastic riser off the trailing edge of the bottom side so it would lay flat back there, but the front and sides hook in securely. I then used adhesive to hold the mating edges flush on the sides and rear.

Seefo 07-13-2014 12:05 AM

what's the line that runs across your hood there (in front of your new extractors)?

GeneSplicer 07-13-2014 08:20 AM

I'm guessing that's the template tape line that pulled up some oxidized clear coat. Looking at the rest of the hood, seems to need a new coat of paint/clear!

Ryan_G 07-13-2014 09:59 AM

That line is from a bra sitting on the car while it sat in the sun.

EO2K 07-13-2014 12:32 PM

Very nice, not goofy looking like the Mini vent but not ginormous like the GT500 vent. Do you plan on keeping the mesh in there?

In for quantifiable results! I mean, I assume you will have before and after data?

sixshooter 07-13-2014 01:14 PM

Yes, the paint was rubbed by the previous owner's car bra. And the clearcoat is junk.

I'm keeping the mesh because we have an oak tree problem and usually harvest 50 large bags of leaves each autumn. It's hell keeping them out of the back corners of the front fenders.

sixshooter 07-13-2014 01:22 PM


Originally Posted by EO2K (Post 1147725)
In for quantifiable results! I mean, I assume you will have before and after data?

Data:
HOLES IN HOOD-
Prior to vent installation - 0
Post vent installation - 2

EO2K 07-13-2014 02:03 PM

dick :laugh:

sixshooter 07-13-2014 02:06 PM

The grilles snap in and out of the vents so they could easily be removed for track days.

lvw 09-04-2014 01:25 AM

Steve, how floppy do thoes cutouts make The hood.Do you still like them as much as you did before the install. Would you use same ones again?...Sorry , got to know have a set in the floor. Did they help keep temperatures down? Thanks for letting a newb ask a thousand questions

sixshooter 09-04-2014 07:48 AM

I could not perceive and difference in the strength of the hood at all. The hood was 3 layers thick in many of the places I cut and there is way too much structure in the hood from the factory. I contemplated removing more structure just for weight because it is overkill.

Air certainly moves through the ducts, that's for sure, but I have done no empirical testing. Track days are miserable in the middle of the summer here and are, frankly, too tough on me to be fun. My next outing will be at Sebring on the first weekend in October and we'll see then. It is still really hot here then.

sixshooter 10-10-2014 09:15 PM

Sebring October 2014, HPDE4 on Saturday just a little while after the rain.




pdexta 10-15-2014 03:28 PM

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Steve, you wouldn't happen to be going to Sebring this weekend are you? We're doing a group drive out there on Saturday so I'll keep an eye out for you if you're going to be there.


Originally Posted by sixshooter (Post 1142996)
And our street hero, Pdexta, is naturally aspirated, boohoohoo!

I'm coming back!

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Ryan_G 10-15-2014 03:41 PM


Originally Posted by pdexta (Post 1175651)
I'm coming back!

Aw shit son! We need more regular track buddoes for the group. Get on it.

sixshooter 10-15-2014 07:11 PM


Originally Posted by pdexta (Post 1175651)
Steve, you wouldn't happen to be going to Sebring this weekend are you? We're doing a group drive out there on Saturday so I'll keep an eye out for you if you're going to be there.

I'm coming back!

Wait! What turbo is that?

I was at Sebring two weekends ago. Daytona November 1&2.

I've almost finished destroying the Chinese turbo I had damaged and rebuilt. So I'm going to use the damaged GTX2867 I bought from you for the track day. It's still got a damaged turbine wheel.

pdexta 10-16-2014 10:47 AM

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It's a GTX2860. After I spent +$1000 buying that damaged used turbo I was a little reluctant to buy used again and since I already had the turbine housing there wasn't much difference in the GTX vs GT series.

That 2867 always worked fine for me aside from spooling slow. I datalogged a bunch of +300whp pulls. This will give you an idea how it spooled for me, it'd hit 13psi by 4000rpms on the wastegate:

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sixshooter 10-16-2014 05:32 PM

Scott,

I studied that exact graph when I was deciding what to do next. I figured that if it held together without exploding then it would be good enough for now. The bastardos at Garrett won't do an exchange CHRA if there is any damage to the turbine wheel at all on a ball bearing unit. I would have to buy a completely new CHRA at full price. So that makes the whole thing an expensive paperweight if I don't use it. I guess the compressor wheel and housing would still be worth something as spare/upgrade parts for someone, but meh. I'll see how far it takes me. If I hadn't had it in the garage I'd be scrambling to buy something right now.

sixshooter 10-22-2014 04:41 PM

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3 inch V-band adapter has been welded to the exhaust housing of the GTX2867R by a pro welder. Time to install on manifold and see if exhaust still fits. It looks to be over very slightly from the Chinese 2870.

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Say "Aaaahhhhh!"

/doctor

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sixshooter 11-01-2014 09:16 AM

Well, I'm here at Daytona. After the first session of the weekend I can report that I need a taller rear end gear if I ever plan to run this track seriously. Using the factory 4.10 gear and only on wastegate 8psi with the EBC turned off, the car is on the revlimiter long before it runs out of front straightaway. 143+ mph indicated (didn't have the GPS running).

sixshooter 11-02-2014 08:23 AM

Confirmed rev limited at 143.7 on the GPS.

pdexta 11-02-2014 09:58 AM

Is that on a 6 speed or 5 speed?

How's the car feel at those speeds? I've always felt like anything past 120 was awfully uncomfortable in a miata.

sixshooter 11-02-2014 01:36 PM

Five speed, but the top gear ratio in the six is almost exactly the same.

Megasquirt has begun doing resets while on track and I don't know why. I don't get a signal for my laptop here so I can't easily look up causes. Advice would be great if anyone has dealt with this previously.

Ryan_G 11-02-2014 02:24 PM


Originally Posted by pdexta (Post 1180239)
Is that on a 6 speed or 5 speed?

How's the car feel at those speeds? I've always felt like anything past 120 was awfully uncomfortable in a miata.

I was also hitting the top of 6th. With my 4.1 rear end that should put me at 140mph at 7200 rpm. It was actually incredibly stable on the track. Even when you transitioned off of the high banks onto the flat straights

pdexta 11-02-2014 08:27 PM

Steve, have you talked to puddymod? He's big in the s2000 community with rearends, he's local, and I know he's done several miatas. I remember seeing a 6 speed in the back of your truck... pairing that transmission with a 3.30 or 3.63 would work out real nice.

sixshooter 11-03-2014 06:16 AM

I think poor Ryan has blown his engine. He says he possibly missed a shift and zinged it.

And my megasquirt continues to reset more and more frequently. It is barely driveable.
:(

Other than that, it was a pretty good weekend.

miata2fast 11-03-2014 07:42 AM

Ryan dropped his car off at my shop last night. Engine swap party anyone?

What do you think is going on with your ECU?

sixshooter 11-03-2014 07:51 AM

Not sure on the ECU. Voltage looks good and so do most of the sensor readings.

Of course I'll help with the engine swap. I'm guessing Ryan is just happy he didn't have to drive my car back from the track with it sputtering and jerking. I was prepared to let him do it but he got a better offer :)

miata2fast 11-03-2014 07:53 AM

The last thing we need are 2 blown engines.

Leafy 11-03-2014 08:07 AM

Is the MS resetting or is power dropping out for a short amoutn of time with the ecu still powered? The first one is almost certainly a loose connection to or inside the ecu, the second is something I struggled with before, it felt like fuel starve, it looked like fuel starve, it was a bad cam sensor/cam sensor wiring.

sixshooter 11-03-2014 09:34 AM


Originally Posted by Leafy (Post 1180371)
Is the MS resetting or is power dropping out for a short amoutn of time with the ecu still powered? The first one is almost certainly a loose connection to or inside the ecu, the second is something I struggled with before, it felt like fuel starve, it looked like fuel starve, it was a bad cam sensor/cam sensor wiring.

The tach dropping to zero momentarily causes me to think it is either a connection or cam sensor.

Leafy 11-03-2014 09:37 AM

If the tach drops out then it would be either the ecu shutting off or the crank sensor. When My cam sensor shit the bed it was just like the car would stall, the tach didnt drop out but it had no power and the wideband went full lean.

sixshooter 11-03-2014 10:04 AM

Video from Daytona on Sunday morning (before the resets got too frequent).



miata2fast 11-03-2014 07:13 PM

As far as fun, how does that track compare to Sebring?

sixshooter 11-03-2014 07:31 PM

It is much more a horsepower track. It is fun if you have power on the superspeedway section or I think it would be frustrating there. The cars with superior handling and braking can take advantage of the two big braking zones and the infield section. Every track has a personality. This one is pretty fun. At least it was for me.

Ryan_G 11-04-2014 07:30 AM


Originally Posted by miata2fast (Post 1180556)
As far as fun, how does that track compare to Sebring?

I thought it was a fun track once you get the hang of it but I still like Sebring more.

OGRacing 11-04-2014 12:39 PM


Originally Posted by sixshooter (Post 1180557)
It is much more a horsepower track. It is fun if you have power on the superspeedway section or I think it would be frustrating there. The cars with superior handling and braking can take advantage of the two big braking zones and the infield section. Every track has a personality. This one is pretty fun. At least it was for me.

Exactly. @daytona everyone i talk to... >130mph in the banking say the is "meh.." or "boring". Everyone with a fast car that is <130 in the banking get out of the car shaking saying "oh my god!!"

sixshooter 11-04-2014 12:47 PM

Published another short video. Spun silver Silvia is evident inside the second hairpin.


m2cupcar 11-05-2014 08:41 AM

Was that a slip at 1:33? Looks like a Daytona DE brings out all the high power rolling road blocks. Probably makes a much better race track than DE track since it's all about braking. But no arguing tracking Daytona has a high cool factor.

sixshooter 11-05-2014 10:11 AM


Originally Posted by m2cupcar (Post 1180893)
Was that a slip at 1:33?

Yeah, I saw the spun out Silvia and tapped the brakes instinctively, but the car was still loaded up coming out of the bend. It made the tail ease out for a moment. It doesn't take much when you are on the edge. Good eye!

OGRacing 11-05-2014 10:20 AM

how fast are you hitting that kink?

sixshooter 11-05-2014 10:33 AM


Originally Posted by OGRacing (Post 1180929)
how fast are you hitting that kink?

IDK. I only ran RaceChrono once during the weekend and that was the second session on Saturday when I was still learning the track. It says 103.2mph through the middle of the bend then, but I was getting braver as I got more sessions in. RaceChrono isn't much fun if you are revlimiting on the back and front stretches. You can't enjoy trying to get faster times.

OGRacing 11-05-2014 10:36 AM

when i ran at daytona i was terrified of that kink. It's allot faster then it looks. i can run flat out thew the kink at cmp no problem. but daytona's kink is terrifying to me for some reason.

sixshooter 11-05-2014 11:41 AM

I kept pushing my student to use the whole track out area to the rumble strips instead of binding it up after the kink. He only wanted to go mid way across and then tuck back to the left edge.

There is plenty of room if you overshoot it and go straight off to the right, but you have to have a little talk with yourself about not trying too hard to save it and looping it to the left. Bad things happen to the left.

Ryan_G 11-05-2014 12:27 PM


Originally Posted by OGRacing (Post 1180942)
when i ran at daytona i was terrified of that kink. It's allot faster then it looks. i can run flat out thew the kink at cmp no problem. but daytona's kink is terrifying to me for some reason.

It freaked me out a little the first few times but by the end of the weekend I was flatout through it until the braking zone just before the decreasing radius right hander.

m2cupcar 11-05-2014 12:54 PM

The kink is a text book turn (rovals) found at loads of tracks and usually yields quicker lap times to give it all up for speed through and sacrifice your entry in the following turn (with a focus on braking.) Similar to t3 at roebling also- where you can stay in it longer, deeper and sacrifice t4 entry.

OGRacing 11-05-2014 01:13 PM

i just reviewed my aim data. looks like i was entering it at about 90 mph and lifting. might be able to go flat threw there.

sixshooter 11-05-2014 01:37 PM

For reference, I was on gently used SM7's in a full weight '96.

sixshooter 11-17-2014 09:59 AM

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Ls2 coils mounted and wired. Need to sleeve wires and put proper ends on spark plug wires where they meet the coils. I ordered the Taylor ends from Slummit Racing recommended in the other thread. Changed dwell to 5 and cranking to 6 and it fired up. I also need to open the gap on the plugs.

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EO2K 11-17-2014 11:24 AM

Bracket looks familiar, is that one of Harolds units?

sixshooter 11-17-2014 11:26 AM

Yes, HHammerly.

EO2K 11-17-2014 12:09 PM

We bracket bros! I have one as well. I need to make some spacers for the backside bolts but other than that, its a nice clean setup. Are you going to re-boot the NGKs?

sixshooter 11-17-2014 04:00 PM

I'm putting new ends on the stock type wires on the coil end and trimming the length a bit. I'm not a fan of the wires that let garbage down in the plug holes.


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