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08-02-2022, 05:18 PM
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Don't listen to anything Brain has to say. He still doesn't believe Trump colluded with Russia.
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08-02-2022, 11:13 PM
I'll see your one tweaked out drug sniffing dog and raise you a $500,000 painting like the ones we did in art class, 6th grade.
AMERICA, where if you're in the right political party you can get $500k for a doodle or $500k for a 50 minutes speech. Nothing to see here....move along.
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08-03-2022, 11:27 AM
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Yes, it's because vote blue no matter who is something you know to be true. So your thinking is that they would still vote blue but won't bother to because they are being properly represented in politics. But wouldn't you think that the party of invented oppression will stir their fanbase right before the elections to get them voting? Especially when they can do so from their home with mail in ballots?
1: Votes which are received by the elections boards are counted more or less accurately, and
2: Fewer than the total number of eligible voters in the US actually bother to vote in any given election. 50-60% for Presidential general elections, less for primaries, mid-terms & referendums.
Now, I'll pause for a moment, to bring in a very relevant quote from cordycord just a few posts prior:1: Votes which are received by the elections boards are counted more or less accurately, and
2: Fewer than the total number of eligible voters in the US actually bother to vote in any given election. 50-60% for Presidential general elections, less for primaries, mid-terms & referendums.
Originally Posted by cordycord
This election cycle I'm actively campaigning AGAINST two sitting Republicans (endorsed by the Orange County GOP), and three R's that are running for the local city council.
Either of you can answer me the following question, and Hector, please imagine that you're in Cordy's present position for the purpose of this question: Assuming that all five of those republican candidates you're actively campaigning against win in their primaries, will you then vote against them in the general election, by choosing a democrat instead?
I'd wager that the answer is no. And it will be the same for the vast majority of American voters.
When Americans do vote, in general elections, there is a massive propensity for them to vote along party lines, based upon their long-held beliefs about the various parties. Here is an example of that:
Originally Posted by cordycord
I'm Conservative. I'm a values voter, and these people have none.
For Cordy, there's no question that he's not going to vote Democrat, no matter who is on the ballot under any other party's banner. And the same applies to pretty much everyone else as well. The big question is whether, for any given election, they bother to vote at all.
Let me repeat that: The big question is whether, for any given election, they bother to vote at all.
What matters most in a general election is which political party manages to incite their voters to actually bother to cast a ballot in the first place, generally by provoking the fear of terrible consequences should the other side win, thus increasing the voter participation rate in a way which favors them.
In 2016, Trump and the Republican party managed to terrify enough of their fanbase of the horrors which would ensue if Clinton, whom they perceive to be the corporeal manifestation of the Devil itself, were elected. So they voted. Leftists, meanwhile, remained relatively complacent, resting comfortably on predictions that there was no possible way that Orange Clown could possibly win, so they weren't as motivated to cast ballots in order to prevent it.
In 2020, the exact opposite phenomenon occurred. Leftists, outraged by the horrors of four solid years of mean tweets, were highly motivated to cast ballots in order to prevent a second term of the man whom they believed to be functionally indistinguishable from Hitler, whereas righties didn't seem to fear that the bumbling, semi-coherent caricature of a nominee which the Democrats had managed to promote all the way to the ballot would ever manage to find his was into the White House.
And, going all the way back to where we started, Hector, I hope that this answers your question, and clarifies the reasoning behind my earlier statements.
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08-03-2022, 12:38 PM
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For Cordy, there's no question that he's not going to vote Democrat, no matter who is on the ballot under any other party's banner. And the same applies to pretty much everyone else as well. The big question is whether, for any given election, they bother to vote at all.
What matters most in a general election is which political party manages to incite their voters to actually bother to cast a ballot in the first place, generally by provoking the fear of terrible consequences should the other side win, thus increasing the voter participation rate in a way which favors them.
In 2016, Trump and the Republican party managed to terrify enough of their fanbase of the horrors which would ensue if Clinton, whom they perceive to be the corporeal manifestation of the Devil itself, were elected. So they voted. Leftists, meanwhile, remained relatively complacent, resting comfortably on predictions that there was no possible way that Orange Clown could possibly win, so they weren't as motivated to cast ballots in order to prevent it.
In 2020, the exact opposite phenomenon occurred. Leftists, outraged by the horrors of four solid years of mean tweets, were highly motivated to cast ballots in order to prevent a second term of the man whom they believed to be functionally indistinguishable from Hitler, whereas righties didn't seem to fear that the bumbling, semi-coherent caricature of a nominee which the Democrats had managed to promote all the way to the ballot would ever manage to find his was into the White House.
What matters most in a general election is which political party manages to incite their voters to actually bother to cast a ballot in the first place, generally by provoking the fear of terrible consequences should the other side win, thus increasing the voter participation rate in a way which favors them.
In 2016, Trump and the Republican party managed to terrify enough of their fanbase of the horrors which would ensue if Clinton, whom they perceive to be the corporeal manifestation of the Devil itself, were elected. So they voted. Leftists, meanwhile, remained relatively complacent, resting comfortably on predictions that there was no possible way that Orange Clown could possibly win, so they weren't as motivated to cast ballots in order to prevent it.
In 2020, the exact opposite phenomenon occurred. Leftists, outraged by the horrors of four solid years of mean tweets, were highly motivated to cast ballots in order to prevent a second term of the man whom they believed to be functionally indistinguishable from Hitler, whereas righties didn't seem to fear that the bumbling, semi-coherent caricature of a nominee which the Democrats had managed to promote all the way to the ballot would ever manage to find his was into the White House.
whereas righties didn't seem to fear that the bumbling, semi-coherent caricature of a nominee which the Democrats had managed to promote all the way to the ballot would ever manage to find his was into the White House.
Trump is now 160:14 for his endorsements in the primaries so far.
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08-03-2022, 04:44 PM
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The nation as a whole had record turnout in terms of % who voted and total votes. So following the theory of terror being the motivation for voting, pretty much everyone was scared shitless.
*Yes, I know you don't believe the media had any ill will towards Trump and they were always unbiased and fair. But even I who doesn't watch the news would walk into places of business that had them on and it was non-stop fearmongering and lies. Remember, Trump colluded with Russia.
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08-03-2022, 05:54 PM
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That was also a very politically-contentious time, with many parallels to 2020. The Korean War was a more recent memory to them than the assassination of Bin Laden is to us today, war in Vietnam was already brewing, and of course the perceived Russian threat loomed much larger. Kennedy had not been a favorite early in the Democratic primaries, while Nixon was being accused of being soft on Russia while simultaneously contributing to the events which led up to the Cuban missile crisis.
*Yes, I know you don't believe the media had any ill will towards Trump and they were always unbiased and fair. But even I who doesn't watch the news would walk into places of business that had them on and it was non-stop fearmongering and lies. Remember, Trump colluded with Russia.
I know, as a member of the media, that we (my specific branch) are not engaged in a broad-ranging conspiracy to defame President Trump. At the same time, I completely acknowledge that some media outlets have much different (and stronger) biases than others, which leads to some using labels such as "denier" much more freely than others, and about different things.
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08-03-2022, 06:19 PM
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Trump was 15-0 for endorsements last night.
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08-03-2022, 07:55 PM
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Holy ****... apparently, you can now hunt down motorcycle riding thieves in Brazil.
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08-04-2022, 12:15 AM
Now, I'll pause for a moment, to bring in a very relevant quote from cordycord just a few posts prior:Either of you can answer me the following question, and Hector, please imagine that you're in Cordy's present position for the purpose of this question: Assuming that all five of those republican candidates you're actively campaigning against win in their primaries, will you then vote against them in the general election, by choosing a democrat instead?
I'd wager that the answer is no. And it will be the same for the vast majority of American voters.
When Americans do vote, in general elections, there is a massive propensity for them to vote along party lines, based upon their long-held beliefs about the various parties. Here is an example of that:
For Cordy, there's no question that he's not going to vote Democrat, no matter who is on the ballot under any other party's banner. And the same applies to pretty much everyone else as well. The big question is whether, for any given election, they bother to vote at all.
Let me repeat that: The big question is whether, for any given election, they bother to vote at all.
What matters most in a general election is which political party manages to incite their voters to actually bother to cast a ballot in the first place, generally by provoking the fear of terrible consequences should the other side win, thus increasing the voter participation rate in a way which favors them.
In 2016, Trump and the Republican party managed to terrify enough of their fanbase of the horrors which would ensue if Clinton, whom they perceive to be the corporeal manifestation of the Devil itself, were elected. So they voted. Leftists, meanwhile, remained relatively complacent, resting comfortably on predictions that there was no possible way that Orange Clown could possibly win, so they weren't as motivated to cast ballots in order to prevent it.
In 2020, the exact opposite phenomenon occurred. Leftists, outraged by the horrors of four solid years of mean tweets, were highly motivated to cast ballots in order to prevent a second term of the man whom they believed to be functionally indistinguishable from Hitler, whereas righties didn't seem to fear that the bumbling, semi-coherent caricature of a nominee which the Democrats had managed to promote all the way to the ballot would ever manage to find his was into the White House.
And, going all the way back to where we started, Hector, I hope that this answers your question, and clarifies the reasoning behind my earlier statements.
As for the rest, I'll simplify for you:
2) elections are never "one and done", unless you're Venezuela, Russia, China or similar. "It's a Republic, if you can keep it." means that the work is never done. Your hypothesis about having to vote for someone you don't like is always possible, and always temporary.
3) One of the people I campaigned against last cycle--also Republican--has woken up to the rest of the crew that I'm still against. Didn't get my vote last time, will probably get my vote this time. I'm a values voter, and his values have changed.
Circling back to #1, if we had a media we could trust, we could all be values voters. But that's not reality, and I guess it's never really been that way, ever (yellow journalism).
I really don't have some political equivalent of Einstein's theory of evolution, other that to mimic Jefferson who said that government was a necessary evil, and that we should limit the size and power as much as possible.
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