cordycord

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....and this...

Joe Perez

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@cordycord, you keep digging into factually accurate tangents.

Did facts and truth start mattering while I wasn't looking? I'll admit that I was out in the garage for much of today.

cordycord

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If the past two years haven't drilled it into everyone's skulls, data from "non-traditional" sources is often more correct than what comes from the MSM or Big Tech. And the government, Big Media and Big Tech can ban anyone, but not vice versa, so we often find out the banned stuff was right...months later.

You could say that this pattern follows with every salacious accusation about Trump as well, and be right nearly every time.

Now we're finding from Bari Weiss that the NYT was getting approval to run articles by Senator Tim Scott through Chuck Schumer. Will wonders never cease?

Joe Perez

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I'm... confused.

I think you are still talking about truth and factual correctness?

Joe Perez

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Bajingo

leboeuf

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There is a lot of misinformation in this thread. I'm not sure how the Mazdaspeed miata ties into this, but people keep bringing up the msm?

I doubt anyone in this thread knows enough to make a real comment on the inner workings of the fbi. Maybe brain does as our self identified member of the ic? His comments should probably be "no comment" but that's between him and his pso.

I can comment a little on the way the usgov operates. There are things that cannot be declassified by anyone. If that is what the fbi was looking for and found AND they can prove criminal intent, then we are in for some weird times.
Mistakes happen all the time and if the fbi raided the former president for an inadvertent classification breach then we are also going to be in for some weird times.
None of the outcomes are good here.... it's also unlikely that the full story will ever be released, then again before last week I had never seen an doj warrant go public.

Bajingo

That absolutely can't be true, and if it is it's time for our government to be restructured. That is not how free countries should operate.

That's also a blatant infringement of the first amendment.

Joe Perez

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It absolutely is true, and the government could absolutely use some re-structuring.

Lots of stuff pertaining to foreign intelligence operations and national defense cannot be freely declassified by the President. I'm not 100% certain about the "nobody" part (the National Archives has some broad authority here), but the President's power here is certainly limited.


I would argue quite the opposite, that having restraints on Executive power (as well as Judicial and Legislative power) is necessary in order for a free country to exist.

cordycord

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The FBI didn't act on this warrant for days, so the whole "national security risk" angle is BS. The FBI knew what was in Mar-a-Lago, based on when they visited and reviewed the documents two months prior. Trump's attorney said DO NOT take the attorney / client papers, but the FBI said "**** you." Oh, those privileged documents probably relate to the Trump v. Clinton RICO law suit, so you shouldn't be surprised. The Trump lawyers said "send in a marshal to review these documents to make sure they're private in order to retain attorney / client privilege. The FBI said "**** you."

Trump was a Russian plant
Trump has hookers pee on a bed where Putin slept
Trump was causing a foreign country to make up stories about Hunter Biden
Trump planned a January 6th insurgency....one where he apparently wanted a bunch of middle aged folks with no weapons to go take over the capitol.
No Trump had the nuclear football codes and was planning on...what?

or...

HRC and the DNC paid $12 million to an English ex-spy--via Perking Coie--to make up dirt on DJT. Proven.
The FBI, CIA, DOJ, DNC and the State Department were in on it. Proven.
over 50 partisan hacks from those alphabet groups said Hunter Biden's laptop was "Russian disinformation." Proven false, although they already knew that.
87,000 new IRS agents are added by the Democrat-controlled Congress. Not a single Republican votes in the affirmative. If mandatory lock downs weren't enough for you, just wait until the IRS gets involved in your life.
Biden administration releases over a million barrels of oil from the strategic reserves....to China.
Biden administration sets Iran on a path to nuclear power and nuclear weapons...the #1 state sponsor of terrorism.
Biden administration oversees record inflation, and decides to pour another $ trillion of spending onto the economy. The results are predictable.

But....Orange Man Bad. It defies logic how the Left will ignore EVERYTHING as long as Trump is waved in their faces.

Bajingo

I'm not trying to be a *** but what do you base this statement on? It makes no sense with how our government operates. The president is commander of the military, FBI, ATF, etc. The president is in charge of all of it.

leboeuf

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Dude, that's a lot of text covering a bunch of topics that I don't know much about. I liked the world more when most political news came from cpan-8.

You guys are a capable bunch. National security/ic work actually pays pretty well. I encourage you to lean into your patriotism and join the fight. Nothing will change from the outside, once you're on the inside, I suspect things will make a little more sense... Sometimes exciting, sometimes boring, sometimes depressing. Sometimes people reach brain like cynicism.

Joe Perez

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There are a number of different laws which apply here.

Executive Order 13526 (Part 3, § 3.1) goes into specific detail as to who may declassify what. That's the meaty one.

Another is the Presidential Records Act of 1978 (44 U.S.C. Chapter 22), which defines the process by which an outgoing President must surrender records in his possession at the time of leaving office, which citizen Trump would also appear to be in violation of.




You are describing a dictatorship.

We live in a... I don't know what to call the US anymore. But it's still a place in which the President is subject to limitations placed on that office by the Constitution and subsequent statutory law.

Joe Perez

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This whole situation is very confusing.

Usually it's the left who are acting like the President has (or should have) unlimited authority.

Bajingo

The president is head of state, in charge of all state departments. Obviously he's somewhat bound by the laws Congress makes but the executive order you listed definitely doesn't have any hold over his actions, he can resend and re-implement that on demand.

If state secrets can't be unconcealed by the president who can do it? And who does that person answer to? The president answers to Congress, based on what I've seen on TV the FBI, CIA, NSA, etc doesn't.

Joe Perez

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The simplified answer is "a bunch of people, depending on the context of the document."

For starters, lots of stuff gets automatically de-classified after 25 years.

Beyond that, you have the person who classified the document in the first place (or their successor), supervisory officials within the various departments which classify thing who are in a straight-line upwards from the original classification, the Director of National Intelligence (and their designees) in consultation with the head of whichever department classified the document, the Archivist of the United States, and so on.

Some things, such as lists of active foreign intelligence officers, can't be de-classified. Ditto certain national defense information. It's this last category which the democrats are hopeful they can pin to Mar-a-Lago.

Bajingo

Who? Name a person or persons. If it's not the president then who? And who does that person answer to?

Military secrets 110% fall into the presidents list of duty. What about the other government agencies?

leboeuf

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Bajingo, if you're current or prior military, I'm not trying to be condescending.Your interpretation of the government seems to be that it operates like the military. Most of the time it very much so does not (It can and that's why lefty loosies and righty tighties both understandably freak out about those laws)

In some instances there are fire walls in place between the national security folks(mostly civilians), the military, and the and the "elected officials". See, politicians are often times motivated by things that will get them re-elected. Sometimes those things are at odds with national security goals. It may be hard to believe, but there are many programs that don't have a military style reporting structure where one defined entity answers to another. There might only be 2 people with the need to know on a subject and they alone will control the information associated with the program.

Of the three groups I mentioned, only the elected officials can interact with the media. Which leads to... things.

Bajingo

Well that needs to change. That is the way authoritarian states operate. Not to mention is a great way to make sure the people who run our country are out of the loop about stuff.

I was under the impression that out government at least pretended to operate under the constitution. The constitution would have the president in charge of all of that.

cordycord

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Yes yes, the President is subject to limitations. And bathroom servers containing top secret communications are only overlooked when it's a Democrat's server.

Whataboutism is a boring game, except it's so incredibly lopsided in this case. Perhaps if HRC had been punished for her bathroom server, or perhaps if we knew who went to Pedophile Island, or maybe, JUST MAYBE, if the FBI checked to see if Joe Biden was being blackmailed by foreign countries because of the **** show that Hunter Biden's laptop and his "cash for access" scams have exposed all of us to. THEN JUST MAYBE we'd take this political FBI raid seriously.

Until then, the SCOTUS nominee who was shot down by Trump (Merrick Garland) using a judge magistrate who states on social media that he hates Trump really isn't a good look.