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There's been correspondence going back and forth between team Trump and Washington about the boxes, and they even came down and saw them a couple of months ago. It was amicable, apparently, and archives asked for more security so team Trump put on a more substantial lock. Honestly, 15 boxes after four years at the White House is puny. Ridiculous. Stoopid.
This is Biden's puppets using "nuclear codes" as a pretext to get information on Trump's law suit against Clinton, and to wiretap him again.
He's the biggest threat to Central Planning ever.
This is Biden's puppets using "nuclear codes" as a pretext to get information on Trump's law suit against Clinton, and to wiretap him again.
He's the biggest threat to Central Planning ever.
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Technically, no. The former President and his family are protected by the SS. They have no charter to guard the property or its contents beyond the level needed to ensure the security of the protectees.
Like millions of Americans, you have suddenly developed an interest in whether the public as a whole, or individuals who are personally the subject of a wiretap, have a right to view the surveillance order as well as the intercepted communications.
The EFF published a decent article on this a couple of years ago. It focuses specifically on California (one of the many states in which Mar-a-Lago is not located), but it's a good read none the less.
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2020/1...cation-records
Like millions of Americans, you have suddenly developed an interest in whether the public as a whole, or individuals who are personally the subject of a wiretap, have a right to view the surveillance order as well as the intercepted communications.
The EFF published a decent article on this a couple of years ago. It focuses specifically on California (one of the many states in which Mar-a-Lago is not located), but it's a good read none the less.
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2020/1...cation-records
Technically, no. The former President and his family are protected by the SS. They have no charter to guard the property or its contents beyond the level needed to ensure the security of the protectees.
Like millions of Americans, you have suddenly developed an interest in whether the public as a whole, or individuals who are personally the subject of a wiretap, have a right to view the surveillance order as well as the intercepted communications.
The EFF published a decent article on this a couple of years ago. It focuses specifically on California (one of the many states in which Mar-a-Lago is not located), but it's a good read none the less.
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2020/1...cation-records
Like millions of Americans, you have suddenly developed an interest in whether the public as a whole, or individuals who are personally the subject of a wiretap, have a right to view the surveillance order as well as the intercepted communications.
The EFF published a decent article on this a couple of years ago. It focuses specifically on California (one of the many states in which Mar-a-Lago is not located), but it's a good read none the less.
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2020/1...cation-records
Now the goal is what? Counter-intelligence regarding the HRC law suit under the guise of DJT hiding the nuclear launch codes in Melania's underwear drawer? January 6th "insurrection" evidence found in the same drawer? Having a Jeffrey Epstein affiliated magistrate sign the warrant was just icing on the cake.
From what I understand, there were at least two Secret Service agents there which makes me think that yes, the SS does protect property as a means of protecting their "protectees."
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https://www.justice.gov/opa/speech/a...livers-remarks
Merrick, just yesterday said:
Since I became Attorney General, I have made clear that the Department of Justice will speak through its court filings and its work.
Not only that, the FBI refused to allow lawyers in the house to view the warrant [despite the official statement they did], ordered them to turn off the security cameras and/or stop filming from cellphones [which they have a legal right to do], and at least one lawyer was ordered to leave the property [no authority to do this].
And come to find out the the judge that signed off on the warrant had previously recused himself from a case with Trump and has a interesting history with the Clinton's/Epstein's.
and then, you know, the fact that Trump and his lawyers were already working with the National Archives and FBI...
We are all still Americans, and even the most vile-leftists can see right through the bad-optics and what a slippery-slope this is...
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The last time the FBI wiretapped Trump Towers, they did so under the guise of a bogus FISA warrant against Carter Paige. The "unmasking" information here was the goal, and a bogus FISA warrant was the pretext.
Now the goal is what? Counter-intelligence regarding the HRC law suit under the guise of DJT hiding the nuclear launch codes in Melania's underwear drawer? January 6th "insurrection" evidence found in the same drawer? Having a Jeffrey Epstein affiliated magistrate sign the warrant was just icing on the cake.
From what I understand, there were at least two Secret Service agents there which makes me think that yes, the SS does protect property as a means of protecting their "protectees."
Now the goal is what? Counter-intelligence regarding the HRC law suit under the guise of DJT hiding the nuclear launch codes in Melania's underwear drawer? January 6th "insurrection" evidence found in the same drawer? Having a Jeffrey Epstein affiliated magistrate sign the warrant was just icing on the cake.
From what I understand, there were at least two Secret Service agents there which makes me think that yes, the SS does protect property as a means of protecting their "protectees."
As for the rest, well... Do you remember The Hunt for Red October (film version)?
At the beginning of their voyage, Captain Ramius murders the political officer Ivan Putin by breaking his neck, and then pours some tea out onto the floor of the cabin to corroborate his explanation that the officer slipped on spilled tea and died as a result.
Later, the officers (minus the doctor, who has been excluded from the plan) are eating a meal in the cramped officers' mess. As the Captain discusses with them the tactical situation surrounding their defection, several of the officers appear to be having second thoughts about the mission, with the unease further escalated by the reveal that Putin had been murdered, rather than slipping on tea, because he "would have caused complications" as the First Officer explains.
One of them suggests that they should just turn back while they still can. Ramius then informs them of the letter which he mailed to Admiral Padorin just prior to their setting sail, revealing his plans and therefore making it impossible for the crew to return to Russia; an act which many of the officers appear to disapprove of.
Ramius decides to dismiss the officers so that he can converse privately with his First Officer. His exact words in doing this are "More tea, anyone?"
While it is never definitively established, one might suspect that the Captain's offer of tea is a hint that officers who stand in the way of Ramius' goal may be consigning themselves to a fate similar to that of the zampolit.
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If Trump was smart, he'd just put all the documents on Hunter Biden's icloud.
some info dump:
I'd love to see the Affidavit the judge was giving to sign off on the warrant... smells a little like a Russian Dossier.
some info dump:
UPDATE: 1:51 p.m. ET:
The inventory list of what was seized—or the receipt part of the document—is three pages long and constitutes two separate receipts, one that is two pages long and another that is one page long. Both receipts were signed by Trump’s attorney Christina Bobb and dated on Monday Aug. 8, 2022, at 6:19 p.m. The longer receipt was signed by FBI Special Agent Jeremy Linton and the shorter receipt was signed by the name: “L. Grady Gary” and includes the title SSA. It is unclear who that person is, and the handwriting is not the clearest.
UPDATE 2:01 p.m. ET:
The first receipt lists out 28 numbered items, including some that have sub-headers. Some of the items are actually named like item number 1 which says it was an “Executive Grant of Clemency re: Roger Jason Stone, Jr.” or 1A which says it is “Info re: President of France.”
Others like item number 2 are less specific. That item says it is a “Leatherbound box of documents.” Item 2A says it contained “Various Classified/TS/SCI documents.”
Item number 3 says it was a “potential presidential record,” and items numbers 5 and 6 both say they were a “binder of photos.”
Item number 7 says it was a “handwritten note,” and items 8, 9, and 10 were boxes labeled A-1, A-12, and A-15 respectively. Item 10A specifies that that item allegedly contained “Miscellaneous Secret Documents.”
The rest of the receipt document is similar and unspecific—explaining that several boxes, some allegedly containing various documents of various classifications—were among the rest of the items the FBI seized per this receipt.
UPDATE 2:04 p.m. ET:
The second receipt is much shorter, and less specific. The first item on that one just says “documents,” and the rest are just numbered boxes.
UPDATE 2:21 p.m. ET:
Another interesting fact from the warrant is that Judge Reinhart gave the Justice Department and FBI a lot of time to execute it. While the DOJ and FBI took their time–waiting three days to do it–technically the document says that Reinhart authorized the feds to wait even longer all the way until next Friday on Aug. 19 to execute it. While we still do not have the underlying affidavits that represent what the FBI and DOJ took to the judge to seek and gain his approval for the warrant, that seems to indicate that the judge did not think this is so serious that immediate or urgent action was needed to be taken as he gave the authorities two full weeks–or 14 full days–in which to execute the warrant.
UPDATE 2:25 p.m. ET:
Attachment B to the warrant delineates the three statutes which agents are pursuing evidence under. They are: 18 U.S.C. § § 793, 2071, and 1519.
UPDATE 2:34 p.m. ET:
Attachment A to the warrant delineates where the agents can search and where they cannot at Mar-a-Lago. Specifically, it says that agents could search the “45 Office,” and “all storage rooms, and all other rooms or areas within the premises used or available to be used by” the former President of the United States [the document uses the abbreviation FPOTUS] “and his staff and in which boxes or documents could be stored, including all structures or buildings on the estate.” This attachment does however said agents are not authorized to search areas “currently (i.e., at the time of the search) being occupied, rented, or used by third parties (such as Mar-a-Lago members) and not otherwise used or available to be used by FPOTUS and his staff, such as private guest suites.”
UPDATE 2:37 p.m. ET:
Further fleshing out Attachment B, which contains the most information about the goals and intent of the DOJ and FBI at this stage of any document short of the as-of-now-still-unavailable affidavit, what it does is list three criminal statutes under which items are to be searched and seized. They are: 18 U.S.C. section 793, which deals with defense information; 18 U.S.C. section 1519, which deals with destroying federal documents; and 18 U.S.C. section 2071, which deals with concealing, removing, or damaging federal documents. The first statute is the one that has likely provoked media speculation about so-called “nuclear” documents: it applies to a broad range of defense “information,” from code books to ordinary photographs.
UPDATE 2:43 p.m. ET:
All of this is technically irrelevant anyway because Trump–who as president has original and absolute declassification authority–said he declassified all of these documents. “Number one, it was all declassified,” Trump said on Truth Social moments ago. “Number two, they didn’t need to ‘seize’ anything. They could have had it anytime they wanted without playing politics and breaking into Mar-a-Lago. It was in secured storage, with an additional lock put on as per their request.”
The inventory list of what was seized—or the receipt part of the document—is three pages long and constitutes two separate receipts, one that is two pages long and another that is one page long. Both receipts were signed by Trump’s attorney Christina Bobb and dated on Monday Aug. 8, 2022, at 6:19 p.m. The longer receipt was signed by FBI Special Agent Jeremy Linton and the shorter receipt was signed by the name: “L. Grady Gary” and includes the title SSA. It is unclear who that person is, and the handwriting is not the clearest.
UPDATE 2:01 p.m. ET:
The first receipt lists out 28 numbered items, including some that have sub-headers. Some of the items are actually named like item number 1 which says it was an “Executive Grant of Clemency re: Roger Jason Stone, Jr.” or 1A which says it is “Info re: President of France.”
Others like item number 2 are less specific. That item says it is a “Leatherbound box of documents.” Item 2A says it contained “Various Classified/TS/SCI documents.”
Item number 3 says it was a “potential presidential record,” and items numbers 5 and 6 both say they were a “binder of photos.”
Item number 7 says it was a “handwritten note,” and items 8, 9, and 10 were boxes labeled A-1, A-12, and A-15 respectively. Item 10A specifies that that item allegedly contained “Miscellaneous Secret Documents.”
The rest of the receipt document is similar and unspecific—explaining that several boxes, some allegedly containing various documents of various classifications—were among the rest of the items the FBI seized per this receipt.
UPDATE 2:04 p.m. ET:
The second receipt is much shorter, and less specific. The first item on that one just says “documents,” and the rest are just numbered boxes.
UPDATE 2:21 p.m. ET:
Another interesting fact from the warrant is that Judge Reinhart gave the Justice Department and FBI a lot of time to execute it. While the DOJ and FBI took their time–waiting three days to do it–technically the document says that Reinhart authorized the feds to wait even longer all the way until next Friday on Aug. 19 to execute it. While we still do not have the underlying affidavits that represent what the FBI and DOJ took to the judge to seek and gain his approval for the warrant, that seems to indicate that the judge did not think this is so serious that immediate or urgent action was needed to be taken as he gave the authorities two full weeks–or 14 full days–in which to execute the warrant.
UPDATE 2:25 p.m. ET:
Attachment B to the warrant delineates the three statutes which agents are pursuing evidence under. They are: 18 U.S.C. § § 793, 2071, and 1519.
UPDATE 2:34 p.m. ET:
Attachment A to the warrant delineates where the agents can search and where they cannot at Mar-a-Lago. Specifically, it says that agents could search the “45 Office,” and “all storage rooms, and all other rooms or areas within the premises used or available to be used by” the former President of the United States [the document uses the abbreviation FPOTUS] “and his staff and in which boxes or documents could be stored, including all structures or buildings on the estate.” This attachment does however said agents are not authorized to search areas “currently (i.e., at the time of the search) being occupied, rented, or used by third parties (such as Mar-a-Lago members) and not otherwise used or available to be used by FPOTUS and his staff, such as private guest suites.”
UPDATE 2:37 p.m. ET:
Further fleshing out Attachment B, which contains the most information about the goals and intent of the DOJ and FBI at this stage of any document short of the as-of-now-still-unavailable affidavit, what it does is list three criminal statutes under which items are to be searched and seized. They are: 18 U.S.C. section 793, which deals with defense information; 18 U.S.C. section 1519, which deals with destroying federal documents; and 18 U.S.C. section 2071, which deals with concealing, removing, or damaging federal documents. The first statute is the one that has likely provoked media speculation about so-called “nuclear” documents: it applies to a broad range of defense “information,” from code books to ordinary photographs.
UPDATE 2:43 p.m. ET:
All of this is technically irrelevant anyway because Trump–who as president has original and absolute declassification authority–said he declassified all of these documents. “Number one, it was all declassified,” Trump said on Truth Social moments ago. “Number two, they didn’t need to ‘seize’ anything. They could have had it anytime they wanted without playing politics and breaking into Mar-a-Lago. It was in secured storage, with an additional lock put on as per their request.”
The FBI contacted the SS ahead of time to inform them of the search, and the SS admitted the FBI onto the premises.
As for the rest, well... Do you remember The Hunt for Red October (film version)?
At the beginning of their voyage, Captain Ramius murders the political officer Ivan Putin by breaking his neck, and then pours some tea out onto the floor of the cabin to corroborate his explanation that the officer slipped on spilled tea and died as a result.
Later, the officers (minus the doctor, who has been excluded from the plan) are eating a meal in the cramped officers' mess. As the Captain discusses with them the tactical situation surrounding their defection, several of the officers appear to be having second thoughts about the mission, with the unease further escalated by the reveal that Putin had been murdered, rather than slipping on tea, because he "would have caused complications" as the First Officer explains.
One of them suggests that they should just turn back while they still can. Ramius then informs them of the letter which he mailed to Admiral Padorin just prior to their setting sail, revealing his plans and therefore making it impossible for the crew to return to Russia; an act which many of the officers appear to disapprove of.
Ramius decides to dismiss the officers so that he can converse privately with his First Officer. His exact words in doing this are "More tea, anyone?"
While it is never definitively established, one might suspect that the Captain's offer of tea is a hint that officers who stand in the way of Ramius' goal may be consigning themselves to a fate similar to that of the zampolit.
As for the rest, well... Do you remember The Hunt for Red October (film version)?
At the beginning of their voyage, Captain Ramius murders the political officer Ivan Putin by breaking his neck, and then pours some tea out onto the floor of the cabin to corroborate his explanation that the officer slipped on spilled tea and died as a result.
Later, the officers (minus the doctor, who has been excluded from the plan) are eating a meal in the cramped officers' mess. As the Captain discusses with them the tactical situation surrounding their defection, several of the officers appear to be having second thoughts about the mission, with the unease further escalated by the reveal that Putin had been murdered, rather than slipping on tea, because he "would have caused complications" as the First Officer explains.
One of them suggests that they should just turn back while they still can. Ramius then informs them of the letter which he mailed to Admiral Padorin just prior to their setting sail, revealing his plans and therefore making it impossible for the crew to return to Russia; an act which many of the officers appear to disapprove of.
Ramius decides to dismiss the officers so that he can converse privately with his First Officer. His exact words in doing this are "More tea, anyone?"
While it is never definitively established, one might suspect that the Captain's offer of tea is a hint that officers who stand in the way of Ramius' goal may be consigning themselves to a fate similar to that of the zampolit.
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If the "tea story" is meant to convey that the FBI is trying to scare Trump with their tactics...maybe. Trump doesn't seem like the kind of guy who scares easy. However, it does seem like this is high-stakes posturing. If you empty out the underwear drawer of your enemy's wife, don't be surprised if you end up slipping on some tea...under the concrete of a new Trump plaza.
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But now things are different.
The democrats aren't dumb. They're playing the long game here, and it looks like they put a runner on base today.
The warrant is irrelevant. The contents of the documents are irrelevant. Intimidating Trump is irrelevant. The only thing which matters is that, unless the FBI is lying (and, on this, lying would be quite counter-productive), Trump did in fact have documents marked "Classified" and "Top Secret" in his home.
Now, resist the urge to say "but Hillary's emails..." and also forget about the fact that the US Government does tend to slap classified labels on things rather freely. None of that matters in relation to this specific thing.
What does matter is that, BS or not, it appears that citizen Trump has committed quite a few felonies. If the DOJ can turn those into convictions (and that's a big if), then that will go a long way towards keeping Trump off the ballot in 2024. Particularly if he is in prison at the time. (Can the President pardon himself? Technically, I think the answer is "mostly yes.")
In an ironic twist, it must be pointed out that Trump himself signed the bill which amended 18 USC § 1924 to make the acts which he now faces criminal charges over felonies in the first place. Prior to Jan 2018, they were misdemeanors. But, at the time, then-President Trump was pushing the "lock her up" button hard. If this does go to trial, we can expect the prosecution to lean into that during the closing argument.
Edit: So, I guess the Red October reference did have some relevance after all. Not the bit about the tea, but the bit about the strategy. The democrats are maneuvering an Alfa-class submarine into position, and don't care how much noise it's making in the process.
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Again, The same judge who signed off on the warrant recused himself from the Trump v. Clinton lawsuit.
Trump declassified crossfire hurricane documents for this rico case. Now the FBI wants them back and wants them reclassified so he cannot use them.
The raid took place the day after he refused to dismiss his case. It also took place a few days after the warrant was signed. Contrary to what Merrick said in his statement... Apparently it was only a national security risk if the lawsuit continued.
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These boxes were packed for him and everyone was quite aware of what he had in those boxes and where they were located.
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No, he had a freaking SCIF in his home, back when he was the President.
Now, he is not the President, and so having classified documents in his home is illegal, no matter how fancy of a safe he owns.
It doesn't "matter" in the sense of having any effect whatsoever on national security or any other thing.
But it's still a crime. That's an important lever which the democrats can pull.
This isn't about national security. This is about keeping Trump off the ballot in 2024.
And I expect that Trump will make that defense during his trial-by-media. But if this actually goes to court, it won't work.
The President can request that documents be de-classified, but he alone does not have the power to de-classify documents by fiat.
Now, he is not the President, and so having classified documents in his home is illegal, no matter how fancy of a safe he owns.
It doesn't "matter" in the sense of having any effect whatsoever on national security or any other thing.
But it's still a crime. That's an important lever which the democrats can pull.
This isn't about national security. This is about keeping Trump off the ballot in 2024.
The President can request that documents be de-classified, but he alone does not have the power to de-classify documents by fiat.
This isn't illegal. He has a freaking scif in his home...
Again, The same judge who signed off on the warrant recused himself from the Trump v. Clinton lawsuit.
Trump declassified crossfire hurricane documents for this rico case. Now the FBI wants them back and wants them reclassified so he cannot use them.
The raid took place the day after he refused to dismiss his case. It also took place a few days after the warrant was signed. Contrary to what Merrick said in his statement... Apparently it was only a national security risk if the lawsuit continued.
Again, The same judge who signed off on the warrant recused himself from the Trump v. Clinton lawsuit.
Trump declassified crossfire hurricane documents for this rico case. Now the FBI wants them back and wants them reclassified so he cannot use them.
The raid took place the day after he refused to dismiss his case. It also took place a few days after the warrant was signed. Contrary to what Merrick said in his statement... Apparently it was only a national security risk if the lawsuit continued.