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Old Jul 1, 2025 | 12:15 PM
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and looks like the swamp wins.
Old Jul 1, 2025 | 12:19 PM
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Only way he can get 50 votes is to make a huge bill full of pork to feed to swamp, while getting the small few things he wants in there as well...

...so long as some unelected Biden staffer doesn't remove all those things because they can.

otherwise, he can never get 60 votes on a bill that says: 1 + 1 = 2.

So... it's a good thing to continue pushing a massive, bloated spending bill which has most of the good things which were promised cut out of it, and more deficit-spending added to it than was originally proposed, because otherwise nothing would happen?

I gotta be honest here, "nothing" would get my vote.


Meanwhile:


Old Jul 1, 2025 | 12:25 PM
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I do not believe we are getting the full details on this bills value and cost. Trump's logic is to improve the economy and there will be some concessions made in order to make this happen. Another issue is the so-called cost of this bill is not really being promoted accurately by the left. Hard to believe. From my understanding they are comparing this bill to the economy after a major federal tax increase that is set to go into effect at the end of the year. Without the future tax increase, the bill cost doesn't appear to be such a burden.
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After my recent trip to FL I have some questions. Why are the drivers so f'ing crazy down there? Also why is gas so expensive in CA? In the first pic I wish I could say the driver in the SUV blocking the road was not parked. No accident some of them were just out of their vehicles arguing. The Chevron pump pics are self-explanatory. Cheapest stations from each city that I could find.








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I do not believe we are getting the full details on this bills value and cost. Trump's logic is to improve the economy and there will be some concessions made in order to make this happen. Another issue is the so-called cost of this bill is not really being promoted accurately by the left. Hard to believe. From my understanding they are comparing this bill to the economy after a major federal tax increase that is set to go into effect at the end of the year. Without the future tax increase, the bill cost doesn't appear to be such a burden.

I would be interested in wagering some money here, if you're game, as to whether the total outstanding Federal debt, at the end of Trump's present term in office, will be higher or lower than it is today.

My bet, obviously, is that it will be higher.

I'm also open to variations on this bet, such as shifting the timeline forward by some agreed-upon amount, to account for the effects of policies which lag the actual term in office.

I propose a wager of $1,000.
Old Jul 1, 2025 | 12:42 PM
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Most likely the debt will go up, at least for a period. Are we going to make this bet with a 5yr contingency? What about how much of an increase relative to previous administration's and also if the economy improves as a result of the bill?

I'm still fixated on increasing the SALT cap. So much I can't be impartial, HA.

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I would be interested in wagering some money here, if you're game, as to whether the total outstanding Federal debt, at the end of Trump's present term in office, will be higher or lower than it is today.

My bet, obviously, is that it will be higher.

I'm also open to variations on this bet, such as shifting the timeline forward by some agreed-upon amount, to account for the effects of policies which lag the actual term in office.

I propose a wager of $1,000.
Old Jul 1, 2025 | 12:56 PM
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So... it's a good thing to continue pushing a massive, bloated spending bill which has most of the good things which were promised cut out of it, and more deficit-spending added to it than was originally proposed, because otherwise nothing would happen?
Yup. You have to vote FOR more debt before you can vote AGAINST more debt.
Old Jul 1, 2025 | 03:01 PM
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Most likely the debt will go up, at least for a period. Are we going to make this bet with a 5yr contingency? What about how much of an increase relative to previous administration's and also if the economy improves as a result of the bill?
Propose whatever terms you believe are fair.

Personally, I think that four years in office is sufficient time to see tangible results from whatever policies have been enacted during that term.

I wager that the total US federal debt will increase during calendar year 2028 (Jan 1 - Dec 31), representing Trump's eighth year in office, and the final year of his second term.

If you're willing to accept a powerball, I'll double-down and say that, at the end of 2028, we will look back and see that the total US federal debt has increased during each of the four years of Trump's second term in office.
Old Jul 1, 2025 | 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Joe Perez
Propose whatever terms you believe are fair.

Personally, I think that four years in office is sufficient time to see tangible results from whatever policies have been enacted during that term.

I wager that the total US federal debt will increase during calendar year 2028 (Jan 1 - Dec 31), representing Trump's eighth year in office, and the final year of his second term.

If you're willing to accept a powerball, I'll double-down and say that, at the end of 2028, we will look back and see that the total US federal debt has increased during each of the four years of Trump's second term in office.

Too many variables for me to take this bet. Any new military actions etc and the deficit will go up. I still believe in this admins strategy and in this bills potential to improve our economy.

It may or may not decrease the deficit, but it does appear to lower taxes on the middle class and is pro-business which will help the economy. Historically we have seen the benefits from an administration's policies many years after their term.

If the next president/admin are of the non-capitalistic socialistic type, we may see many of these benefits erased. Not to mention more of our freedoms.
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Trump hasn't been in office long, and he's had some major wins. And yet it's par for the course for the Republican Party to shoot itself in the foot. the Democrat Party is doing everything it can to rebrand itself as Democratic Socialists, without actually saying the second word out loud.

Republicans are fighting against actual numbskulls and mid-wits.



And yet in the end the Republicans have every chance of losing...to themselves.


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the Democrat Party is doing everything it can to rebrand itself as Democratic Socialists, without actually saying the second word out loud.

It can be hard to tell when you are feigning ignorance for the purpose of emphasizing a point vs. genuinely being uninformed of current events.

Zohran Mamdani has won the Democrat primary for Mayor or NYC, and is thus the presumptive mayor.

Here is a direct quote from Mr. Mamdani, from a speech he gave in 2021 at the Young Democratic Socialists of America winter conference:

"Right now, if we're talking about the cancellation of student debt, if we're talking about Medicare for all, you know, these are issues which have the groundswell of popular support across this country. But then there are also other issues that we firmly believe in, whether it's BDS or whether it is the end goal of seizing the means of production, where we do not have the same level of support at this very moment."


How much more loudly do they have to say that part before the MAGA crowd pulls their head out of Trump's *** long enough to notice that it has already started?
Old Jul 1, 2025 | 11:07 PM
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The new budget apparently appropriates more money to DOGE than to the Marines. I say that waste, fraud and abuse within our government is a bigger threat to America than any single nation.
Old Jul 2, 2025 | 12:22 AM
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We've got "motor-voter" which means that every illegal with a driver's license also gets sent a mail-in ballot. My friend Dave has shown up to vote in Oceanside, only to be told that he already did. It's easy to fraudulently get a license, easy to get a fraudulent SSN, and easy to vote remote.

the waste, fraud and abuse happening is just a fraction of what we imagine.
Old Jul 2, 2025 | 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Joe Perez
Propose whatever terms you believe are fair.

Personally, I think that four years in office is sufficient time to see tangible results from whatever policies have been enacted during that term.

I wager that the total US federal debt will increase during calendar year 2028 (Jan 1 - Dec 31), representing Trump's eighth year in office, and the final year of his second term.

If you're willing to accept a powerball, I'll double-down and say that, at the end of 2028, we will look back and see that the total US federal debt has increased during each of the four years of Trump's second term in office.
They just increased the debt ceiling another 5 Trillion -- of course it'll go up.

All bills expect one a year (they type they just passed) must get 60 votes in the Senate, so good luck.

And our representatives don't actually represent us, so you know, that's another big hurdle...
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How much more loudly do they have to say that part before the MAGA crowd pulls their head out of Trump's *** long enough to notice that it has already started?
Old Jul 2, 2025 | 11:31 AM
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another huge win:


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Here's a website that compares the athletic performance of high school boys against the performance of female Olympic competitors (some with Olympic and world record breaking times).

https://boysvswomen.com/#/

How much clearer could it be. Unbelievable that it was ever allowed.
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