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It's like there is no common ground at all anymore.
There isn't.
After years of Clinton and Biden and Harris warning that Trump and the Republican party are fascists who must be opposed at all costs...
And after years of Trump and the MAGA right hurling memes and insults across the fence which portray every member of the Democrat party as a child-raping communist who needs their safe space...
... of course there is no room for common ground.
This is by design.
Both parties have convinced their own voter base that everyone who is on "the other side" is a monolithic caricature of the very worst aspects of their the most extreme ends of their party platform.
Merely the phrase "the other side" is calculated to divide and other-ize.
This is how the Democrats and the Republicans protect their highly profitable duopoly hold on our country.
Neither Trump nor Biden nor Harris nor Vance nor any other Presidential candidate aligned with the Democrat and Republican parties in recent history truly wants what is best for the American people.
They want what is best for themselves, and for their close circle of patrons and sycophants.
If reasonable debate and conversation were permitted to ensue, then actual, meaningful change in government might happen as a result.
ICE Lodges Detainer for Depraved Criminal Illegal Alien from Cuba Charged with Murder in Beheading of Victim with a Machete in Dallas
On September 10, Yordanis Cobos-Martinez--an illegal alien from Cuba with a rap sheet including child sex abuse, grand theft of a motor vehicle, false imprisonment and carjacking--was arrested by Dallas Police Department at a motel in Dallas for murder. Cobos-Martinez allegedly used a machete to behead a merchant he had an argument in front of the merchant's spouse and child. Reportedly, Cobos-Martinez then kicked the head of the victims 'around like a soccer ball.' ICE has lodged the detainer with the Dallas County Jail, where this criminal illegal alien is being held.
Joe needs to let it go, those files are likely never going to see the light of day and anyone with a brain knows why.
I want to be super clear here: The reason why I keep bringing up the Epstein files has nothing to do with Epstein, or with bringing pedophiles to justice.
Rather, it's because the Epstein Situation is a perfect illustration of how politicians manipulate us all.
Starting in 2020, "Release the Epstein files!" became a rallying cry for people and media outlets which are MAGA-aligned. J.D. Vance started talking about it back in June 2021 when he was running as a Senator from Ohio, and Trump himself slowly stoked the fire throughout the whole Biden presidency until actually making it a major focus of his third Presidential campaign in 2024.
All the while, Democrats and left-leaning media were silent on the matter.
Then, once Trump was in the White House, and presumably had a chance to see exactly what was in those documents, he did a complete about-face. No explanation, just suddenly started claiming that the whole Epstein situation was a democrat hoax, that there were no Epstein files, that anyone who believed in that was stupid, etc.
And while his own fanbase and the right-leaning media quickly fell into line, the Democrats and the left-leaning media then started making precisely the same claims and the same demands as their counterparts had been a year before.
Tell me, honestly, is that not the closest thing to "Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia" that we have all personally experienced in our lifetimes?
That is what I am trying to point out; not that Epstein did or did not associate with any given person or group of people, but rather that both Democrats and Republicans have, at various times, held exactly the same views and made exactly the same claims about this issue, and yet, somehow, whichever party any given person happens to align with has always been the truthful and correct one, and the other party has always been the one lying and trying to conceal and cover up the truth, and somehow this just all seems perfectly natural.
I want to be super clear here: The reason why I keep bringing up the Epstein files has nothing to do with Epstein, or with bringing pedophiles to justice.
Breaking news: JoeP love Epstien, pedophiles and wishes they never pay for their crimes or face justice.
Breaking news: JoeP love Epstien, pedophiles and wishes they never pay for their crimes or face justice.
For a moment, I was worried that we were just going to hand-wave right over this topic and jump straight into today's infodump of the text messages between Tyler Robinson and his trans roommate / lover, and / or the fact that George Zinn, the 71 year old who originally claimed to have shot Kirk in order to, by his own confession, give the real killer time to escape, is now additionally in hot water over all of the child **** that the authorities found on his phone.
This is something which transcends political parties, and it's much, much bigger than any one single issue. If we were talking about two large corporations rather than two mainstream political parties, they'd be under investigation for collusion and racketeering.
Tell me, honestly, is that not the closest thing to "Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia" that we have all personally experienced in our lifetimes?
It's right up there with "I did not have sexual relations with that woman." And I honestly don't care what Slick ***** was doing with any consenting adult, but to have the audacity to play us all for fools is quite comparable to "there are no Epstein files."
He got away with it and so will Trump and everyone that comes after because we the people don't hold them accountable because we gave away our proper place in the system.
If we were talking about two large corporations rather than two mainstream political parties, they'd be under investigation by the FTC for collusion and racketeering.
Yeah, they're not two sides of the same coin. The moral equivalence just ain't there.
I'm making a point about how all politicians, including Trump, lie and make false promises, and that their most devout apostles will almost always find a way to deflect, justify, or actually praise said behavior.
You make the valid point that assassinating one's political opponent is not morally equivalent to lying.
And you're entirely correct. But you're also rebutting an argument which I never made.
This is what's called a Straw Man argument, and it's a very common political tactic. You ignore what someone is saying to you, invent a fictitious argument which you are better able to rebut, and then argue against that point instead.
I'm honestly not even sure that you're aware of it. In fact, I tend to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you're not.
The fact that one political party commits violence does not make it a good thing that an opposing political party commits deception against its own core electorate.
Then, once Trump was in the White House, and presumably had a chance to see exactly what was in those documents, he did a complete about-face. No explanation, just suddenly started claiming that the whole Epstein situation was a democrat hoax, that there were no Epstein files, that anyone who believed in that was stupid, etc.
To be clear, the democrat hoax is that he [trump] is in the files, and anyone who believes he is in the files, is stupid. etc.
all to be fair, he did order the release. he just had to 180° once his team actually saw them.
I'm making a point about how all politicians, including Trump, lie and make false promises, and that their most devout apostles will almost always find a way to deflect, justify, or actually praise said behavior.
You make the valid point that assassinating one's political opponent is not morally equivalent to lying.
And you're entirely correct. But you're also rebutting an argument which I never made.
This is what's called a Straw Man argument, and it's a very common political tactic. You ignore what someone is saying to you, invent a fictitious argument which you are better able to rebut, and then argue against that point instead.
I'm honestly not even sure that you're aware of it. In fact, I tend to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you're not.
The fact that one political party commits violence does not make it a good thing that an opposing political party commits deception against its own core electorate.
The embedded tweet you had in there wasn't working earlier (the forum software gets grumpy when you use "x.com" rather than "twitter.com") so the only thing which was showing up was your statement that "Yeah, they're not two sides of the same coin. The moral equivalence just ain't there."
The embedded tweet you had in there wasn't working earlier (the forum software gets grumpy when you use "x.com" rather than "twitter.com") so the only thing which was showing up was your statement that "Yeah, they're not two sides of the same coin. The moral equivalence just ain't there."
Carry on criticizing California.
California is a **** show of EPIC proportions. There are signs of hope though...
I'm making a point about how all politicians, including Trump, lie and make false promises, and that their most devout apostles will almost always find a way to deflect, justify, or actually praise said behavior.
You make the valid point that assassinating one's political opponent is not morally equivalent to lying.
And you're entirely correct. But you're also rebutting an argument which I never made.
This is what's called a Straw Man argument, and it's a very common political tactic. You ignore what someone is saying to you, invent a fictitious argument which you are better able to rebut, and then argue against that point instead.
I'm honestly not even sure that you're aware of it. In fact, I tend to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you're not.
The fact that one political party commits violence does not make it a good thing that an opposing political party commits deception against its own core electorate.
Yeah, I know "straw man", "steel man". I even know the muffin man.
I think this issue is far more of a problem on the left than the right. On the left you can have a ***** and be called a woman, which is another way of saying that they'll believe and accept just about anything. They've been told that Trump is a fascist, and they believe it. They've been told the world would be better off if he was assassinated, and a majority believe it. And out of that majority, a very small minority are happy to act on it. All you need is one ******* with one lucky shot and all the lefty propaganda will have been "worth it."
And no, I don't think they think this **** up on their own. The left are sheep. OTOH, the right were told for four years that DJT was the devil, slept with everyone, raped women, cheated on his business loans and was generally a bad guy. They didn't buy it. You've got to be somewhat Jello-adjacent from the neck up to be a lefty.
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