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Old 10-12-2012, 12:58 PM   #201
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CNN had a twitter funny about Joe Biden's teeth being so white that they were voting for Romney.
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So what happened with the VP debate? I didn't watch it, but Reddit seems to agree that Biden shat all over Ryan, and the fact that the conservatives here aren't celebrating like after the first debate makes me think it is true.

Did I miss anything good?
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Biden was Biden. he thinks America is a joke and spoke a bunch of untruths.
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Because VP debates totally matter
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So what happened with the VP debate? I didn't watch it, but Reddit seems to agree that Biden shat all over Ryan, and the fact that the conservatives here aren't celebrating like after the first debate makes me think it is true.

Did I miss anything good?
Really? Twitter reaction seemed mildly in favor of Ryan. Not as strong a performance as Romney in the first pres debate, but solid. Lots of negative reaction to Biden's smirking, laughing, and interrupting. Ryan never came close to landing the knockout, never really knocked Biden down to be honest, but he was respectful, direct, and only stumbled a bit when BOTH Biden and the moderator were pressing him for "details" on the Romney budget plan (as if he's going to start detailing actual budgetary numbers instead of outlining the principles in a televised debate).

Substance, I'd say it was probably a draw. Style, small edge to Ryan just for how nearly everyone was put off by Biden's demeanor.
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Biden acted like a bufoon. If this really the *** we have second in line to run the free world?
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And for people who have a car and house, but not insurance? The fact that filing for bankruptcy is seen as a "solution" to healthcare issues is just baffling to me. Clearly $50k of bills on the taxpayer's dollar is better than just paying for $200 worth of preventative care (which you can't get at the emergency room).
The argument that free or cheap access to preventative care would reduce the overall healthcare costs has yet to be demonstrated. Ideally, you'd see a large increase in the use of so-called preventative care with a correspondingly larger decrease in the use of emergency or urgent care.

Instead, you simply see an increase in preventative care, along with increased usage of emergency and urgent care. When you subsidize something, you get more of it, and thinking that people will only use as much healthcare as they really need has been proven wrong over and over again.

Whatever the healthcare solution may be, I don't see how it will work unless individuals have some serious financial incentive to self-ration their healthcare usage.
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Old 10-12-2012, 01:21 PM   #208
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debate in nutshell:




I picked a clip on healthcare to remain topical.


aw, embedding diabled.


here he is laughing at Iran getting a nuke, amoung other things:

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Biden acted like a bufoon. If this really the *** we have second in line to run the free world?

Where is this place you speak of?
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run the free world. oxy moron.
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Okay, lead then. Better?
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Old 10-12-2012, 01:34 PM   #212
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Okay, lead then. Better?
Ask Bbundy about Idiocracy; He can tell you all about Biden and how Biden managed to become #2.
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Biden handled the lies perfectly, just laughing every time Ryan started bullshitting.


But as an outsiders view. People outside of the US are terrified that Romney/Ryan are even an option in the election. Blatant liars, changing their opinions to suit whoever that is listening to them and Romney is in many ways just disconnected from reality.

Romney has lied so much that you can actually put in your views on a webpage and it will find video recordings of him agreeing with you, no matter which direction you choose.

RoboRomney

And the part where Biden talked about abortion was just perfect. He said that he agreed with his churches stance to oppose abortions, but to deny anyone of any religion the right to have them would be stupid. It's not his place to decide such things for people.

I'm not saying that Obama is perfect, but goddamnit Romney is running for president for one reason only, make as much money for him and his friends as possible.

Romney as a president would be a scary world.
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I'm not saying that Obama is perfect, but goddamnit Romney is running for president for one reason only, make as much money for him and his friends as possible.
lol. That's quite funny.

it's almost like you knew the truth, read things such as this: More than two years after Obama took office vowing to banish “special interests” from his administration, nearly 200 of his biggest donors have landed plum government jobs and advisory posts, won federal contracts worth millions of dollars for their business interests or attended numerous elite White House meetings and social events.


it's okay because he's black right?
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Indeed. I read some European news online and see the same thing. There almost seems to be more outrage overseas about Romney's flip flops than we are here in the USA. His/Ryan's lack of respect for women really shows on the world news commentary sections.

If Romney respected women and education, I would consider voting for him.
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If Romney respected women and education, I would consider voting for him.
Romney graduated *** laude from both Harvard Law and Harvard Business--SIMULTANEOUSLY. Why doesn't he respect education?

and why don't they respect women?
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I'll agree that this happened. But if you don't think that Romney won't do this on a much larger scale then you're just delusional.
But there is also a difference between getting someone who helped you get a job. Or using your position as a president to lower taxes on corporations to almost nothing, and make the lower class pick up the slack.

Yes, Obama may have helped friends getting jobs, but jobs actually get something done. While Romney would lower taxes on corporations and the very rich while locking the lower classes in that position by taxing them out of the ***. Lowering taxes on corporations won't do a thing, trickle down is a myth. When someone with money gets slack like that, he isn't going to spend it, he's going to make sure he gets more.

How? By hiring lobbyists and bribing politicians.
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But there is also a difference between getting someone who helped you get a job. Or using your position as a president to lower taxes on corporations to almost nothing, and make the lower class pick up the slack.

Yes, Obama may have helped friends getting jobs, but jobs actually get something done. While Romney would lower taxes on corporations and the very rich while locking the lower classes in that position by taxing them out of the ***. Lowering taxes on corporations won't do a thing, trickle down is a myth. When someone with money gets slack like that, he isn't going to spend it, he's going to make sure he gets more.

How? By hiring lobbyists and bribing politicians.
When a theory achieves nothing but the opposite of its alleged goals, yet its advocates remain undeterred, you may be certain that it is not a conviction or an “ideal,” but a rationalization.
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When a theory achieves nothing but the opposite of its alleged goals, yet its advocates remain undeterred, you may be certain that it is not a conviction or an “ideal,” but a rationalization.
I didn't deny that he may have helped friends get jobs. And you didn't bring any argument against Romney castrating the lower classes for his own financial gain. You just shouted out a dressed up version of : "nuh-uh!"

Look at how he talks about taxing the corporations and super rich in the beginning. (before he realized he had to change political directions every time he opened his mouth).

Also, you haven't brought facts against anything I've said. You only start pointing somewhere else. Before you do that again, find facts to refute what I've said and then propose a counter attack.
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When someone with money gets slack like that, he isn't going to spend it, he's going to make sure he gets more.

How? By hiring lobbyists and bribing politicians.
This makes me laugh everytime someone uses this stupid logic. Where do you think rich people keep their money in a mattress?

They invest it to make the highest possible return on it. What gives the highest returns you ask? Well that would be risky businesses with large potential. Cash infusion+experienced management = profit. Consequently as companies grow they do this really necessary thing called hiring people, it is a pretty neat concept.

Anyone who seriously believes that Romney is out to get the working class or was at one point by "destroying so many companies for profit" is delusional. During his time at Bain they created many many more jobs then they "destroyed". The jobs they cut were jobs that were unecessary or people that were working for a failing company.

The commercial that runs with the worker at the steel mill that was closed is the best example. Bain bought that company ten years before they closed it. If they had not purchased it the company would have declared bankruptcy within the year. Then after keeping it going for TEN ADDITIONAL YEARS they were outgunned by cheap labor for China. From that point they had two choices. Close the plant and sell the assets at a profit or continue to sink money into a company that simply cannot compete because you can't pay your workers $5 a day.

EDIT: In the real world there are winners and there are losers. The big difference between those who win more than lose is the fact that they keep getting back up instead of getting butthurt when they fail and blame someone else for their misfortune.
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