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Old 09-20-2012, 12:51 PM   #141
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I'm implementing a new rule.

You cannot debate Romney without first posting your:

tax records 2010-2012
credit card history for 2010-2012
complete medical records

so I can use it to personally attack you and twist them against you.
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Old 09-20-2012, 12:58 PM   #142
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The "you didn't build that" statement made me think he is a communist.
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Old 09-20-2012, 01:00 PM   #143
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that was just one of thousands that simply confirm...

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Old 09-20-2012, 01:50 PM   #144
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that was just one of thousands that simply confirm...
Yeah, replace when i said "think" with "confirm"... Truth.

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Old 09-20-2012, 02:25 PM   #145
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Bob -

A) I am confident but not sure that was the longest single sentence written on MT.net at 81 words and 385 characters without spaces (465 with).

B) How are you quantifying or defining your definition of Clinton/Republican Congress era taxation as "a fairly flat slightly progressive tax system somewhat independent on income source that might favor entrepreneurs a little?"

Look at that graphic above. 6 of the 8 income groups paid between 25 and 30% of their gross income in total taxes, with a generally slightly progressive bias. It's a lot flatter than I expected it to be, honestly.

There is only a tiny, tiny, tiny fraction of tax filers that might fit the "Romney mold" (retired, amassed a large fortune and now lives off of the tax-favored income and dividends or successful mega hedge fund manager).
One flaw with the chart is it doesn’t have enough brake points up into the multi millions and to be fair I believe super rich sports stars and celebrities don’t get to participate in the loopholes as do the financial and private equity types But otherwise as you get into the upper levels of the 1% payroll tax and state and local pretty much disappear as any impact on them and the sources of your income is protected from comparable tax rates, capital gains and qualified dividends taxed at a low rate with lots of opportunities to offset gains with, depreciation, charity to political "churches", Filtering gains through a foreign holding shell company with a PO box in the Cayman Islands to avoid paying any US income tax etc. Tax policy center estimates ~4000 with incomes over a million paying zero taxes. ~18,000 with incomes over 500k. These people aren’t freeloading on the government for a few thousand dollars; they are freeloading on the government for multi millions.


http://money.cnn.com/2012/09/18/pf/t...n=money_latest

What are they doing with the extra money they keep because of the system that allows them to? It certainly isn’t used for creating jobs in America. I’m pretty sure a good chunk of it is used for lobbying and trying to buy the government. Allot of it is also used for propoganda to mislead the public especially since the citizens united case.
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Old 09-20-2012, 02:49 PM   #147
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I'm implementing a new rule.

You cannot debate Romney without first posting your:

tax records 2010-2012
credit card history for 2010-2012
complete medical records

so I can use it to personally attack you and twist them against you.
You first. But I’m not running for an elected public office and I’m not even one of those involved in the governing of this web site which I see as a pretty good excuse not to comply.

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Old 09-20-2012, 02:52 PM   #148
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What would it accomplish?
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Old 09-20-2012, 03:04 PM   #149
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Guy sounds like something less than complete BS and lies comes out of his mouth when he speaks.

I'd vote for him.
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Im pretty sure you know I'm NOT voting for him, but Allen.
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Old 09-20-2012, 03:47 PM   #151
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Mitt Romneys 47% almost exclusively come from solid republican states.

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Old 09-20-2012, 04:10 PM   #152
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Coincidentally, those states have the highest percentages of non-white, blacks, and hispanics.

this is also how redistribtuion works, the blue states with lots of hard working blue-collared tax payers, give taxes to washington, who then gives it to the free loaders.


im not sure why you are complaining, this is your pride and joy.
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Old 09-20-2012, 04:27 PM   #153
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I think John Stewarts Epic Rant last night was spot on!

Jon Stewart Slams Fox News For Romney Video Coverage - Business Insider
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Old 09-20-2012, 04:28 PM   #154
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Maybe next time he'll choose his words more carefully (in a private setting with no cameras) and say: "99% of blacks wont vote for me""
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Coincidentally, those states have the highest percentages of non-white, blacks, and hispanics.

this is also how redistribtuion works, the blue states with lots of hard working blue-collared tax payers, give taxes to washington, who then gives it to the free loaders.


im not sure why you are complaining, this is your pride and joy.
I would like to keep the failed form of government and political Ideology that those states prefer right down to the state and local governments from infecting the whole country.
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i would like it if california and ny sank into the ocean...
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i would like it if california and ny sank into the ocean...
Why, because we collectively account for slightly more than 21% of the total US GDP, despite having less than 18.5% of the total US population?

Or because, if California were a country, it would have the 9th highest GDP of any nation in the world? (Canada would be #10)

Or because California, by itself, accounts for 13.2% of all agricultural production in the US? (Texas is in 2'nd place, at 6.84%.)

Or because California accounts for 11.1% of all foreign exports FROM the US to other countries? (Texas recently overtook us as #1.)
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id settle for san fran.
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Why, because we collectively account for slightly more than 21% of the total US GDP, despite having less than 18.5% of the total US population?
Based on referencing the chart below...



... I believe "OH SNAP!" is an appropriate response.
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Maybe next time he'll choose his words more carefully (in a private setting with no cameras) and say: "99% of blacks wont vote for me""
Right because they make up 13% of the population. Or is there really that much of the GOP's claimed voting fraud that they account for 47% of votes cast.
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