Trayvon Martin: What say y'all?
07-01-2013, 09:32 AM
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on the stand right now is an FBI voice recognition specialist, the state's witness, is testifying he cannot determine who the yelling is in the 911 call because of the sample size, the emotion in the voice, the signal to noise, the distance, etc etc.
again, this is the STATE'S witness. I don't understand.
again, this is the STATE'S witness. I don't understand.
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07-01-2013, 09:55 AM
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Braineack - Will you do me a favor and please correct the spelling in the thread title?
I'm starting to wonder if the state is intentionally trying to help the defense, to show that this case never should have gone to trial in the first place. As though the whole thing was a dog and pony show to appease the political pressure to arrest.
I'm starting to wonder if the state is intentionally trying to help the defense, to show that this case never should have gone to trial in the first place. As though the whole thing was a dog and pony show to appease the political pressure to arrest.
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07-01-2013, 09:58 AM
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I have a feeling they know they have no case and are only going through the motions because they have to, since that special DA charged zimmerman through mob pressure and wanting her 15 minutes.
there were a few voice people that werent allowed to testify, but the state still called up this guy, who said basically he couldn't determine: who it was or what age range it might have been.
he basically said you need at least 1-3 of good clear normal talking to determine a voice and that any extreme circumstances render the sample useless. The sample in question is about 3 seconds long.
They also couldn't determine a close age range because 1. one person was possibly going through pubrity so his voice could be anywhere, 2. again, the sample was too small, 3. anyone yelling in extreme situation will be around 600-700Hz regardless of age/sex.
I seriously had to double check this wasn't a defense attorney talking right now with him, the only reason i can see this witness being called is to disqualify any other witness from the defense that might try to say they can tell it IS zimmerman screaming.
there were a few voice people that werent allowed to testify, but the state still called up this guy, who said basically he couldn't determine: who it was or what age range it might have been.
he basically said you need at least 1-3 of good clear normal talking to determine a voice and that any extreme circumstances render the sample useless. The sample in question is about 3 seconds long.
They also couldn't determine a close age range because 1. one person was possibly going through pubrity so his voice could be anywhere, 2. again, the sample was too small, 3. anyone yelling in extreme situation will be around 600-700Hz regardless of age/sex.
I seriously had to double check this wasn't a defense attorney talking right now with him, the only reason i can see this witness being called is to disqualify any other witness from the defense that might try to say they can tell it IS zimmerman screaming.
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07-01-2013, 10:17 AM
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okay, looks like he's trying to set it up so that he is saying that a family member would be in a good position to be able to recognize the person. A very bad setup, because zimmerman's dad is already planning to testify that it is zimmerman in the call yelling...
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07-01-2013, 04:18 PM
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This Detective Serino is one tough cookie. Sounds like straight out of central casting.
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07-01-2013, 04:51 PM
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Why'd he leave a federal gig for a local police job after 2 years?
anyways, i think I figured out where the DA is going. Zimmerman probably made 5 statements that said after he got Trayvon, he got on top of him and spread his arms apart or held his arms down when the first witness showed up. Problem is, about 4-5 people testified they came upon the scene with Trayvon face down with his hands under his body.
Zimmerman made a few claims as if he didnt know trayvon was dead, and that he showed remorse because he feared god in an interview. I think the state will try to use this to try to say that Zimmerman was lying, knew he was dead, and was trying to make himself look better with police. Something like that. Best I can figure out, they wont find him guilty anyways.
and about Serino's testimony, he was trying to say what proper police procedure is after a suspect goes down, how youd keep a gun on him and not holster, but zimmerman was not a cop and doesnt know police procedure.
then the DA kept referring to Zimmerman calling Trayvon the "suspect" in written statements and crap...trying to play up the narrative of him being a rouge "cop" set to kill black kids. It's a really really really weak position for a 2nd degree murder case.
anyways, i think I figured out where the DA is going. Zimmerman probably made 5 statements that said after he got Trayvon, he got on top of him and spread his arms apart or held his arms down when the first witness showed up. Problem is, about 4-5 people testified they came upon the scene with Trayvon face down with his hands under his body.
Zimmerman made a few claims as if he didnt know trayvon was dead, and that he showed remorse because he feared god in an interview. I think the state will try to use this to try to say that Zimmerman was lying, knew he was dead, and was trying to make himself look better with police. Something like that. Best I can figure out, they wont find him guilty anyways.
and about Serino's testimony, he was trying to say what proper police procedure is after a suspect goes down, how youd keep a gun on him and not holster, but zimmerman was not a cop and doesnt know police procedure.
then the DA kept referring to Zimmerman calling Trayvon the "suspect" in written statements and crap...trying to play up the narrative of him being a rouge "cop" set to kill black kids. It's a really really really weak position for a 2nd degree murder case.
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07-02-2013, 09:36 AM
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SamNavy has had great input on how to handle yourself in the unlikely event of having to defend yourself or others with deadly force. I would also suggest turning to a self-defense oriented attorney as well, rather than just one at random.
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07-02-2013, 09:51 AM
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Today we are going to try to prove someone committed 2nd degree murder because he has commented he was tired of criminals getting away with crimes in his neighborhood.
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07-02-2013, 10:10 AM
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anyways, i think I figured out where the DA is going. Zimmerman probably made 5 statements that said after he got Trayvon, he got on top of him and spread his arms apart or held his arms down when the first witness showed up. Problem is, about 4-5 people testified they came upon the scene with Trayvon face down with his hands under his body.
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07-02-2013, 10:23 AM
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Oh interesting. Apparently they found a slim jim (the tool, not the food) in the area that Zimmerman said he first saw Trayvon and called the non-emergency line. And it where he was spotted and when Zimmerman called, it was a house that has had break-ins before, and the owner had not locked his windows or doors...
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07-02-2013, 12:15 PM
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Not sure, this was the first I've heard mention of it.
right now it's another bad witness the state called, zimmerman's close friend who is a peace officier, apparently he wrote a book about the account. just telling the story about how zimmerman told him the story. didnt get much from it, defense is all over him extracting good stuff.
im still assuming, eventually from all of it, they'll try to piece together the idea that zimmerman's story is completely false because of XYZ (small little insignificant details that dont prove a damn thing), and that Zimmerman was racially profiling the ******* punk Trayvon, and that he decided to take the law into his hands and just gun him down on his way to Target.
right now it's another bad witness the state called, zimmerman's close friend who is a peace officier, apparently he wrote a book about the account. just telling the story about how zimmerman told him the story. didnt get much from it, defense is all over him extracting good stuff.
im still assuming, eventually from all of it, they'll try to piece together the idea that zimmerman's story is completely false because of XYZ (small little insignificant details that dont prove a damn thing), and that Zimmerman was racially profiling the ******* punk Trayvon, and that he decided to take the law into his hands and just gun him down on his way to Target.
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