Trayvon Martin: What say y'all?
06-24-2013, 01:55 PM
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oh n/m that was Zimmerman's lawyer... but the prosecutor did say the motive was "because he wanted to."
I dont understand how you can prove that in court, beyond a reasonable doubt. I can paint about 15 pictures to the alternative right now. Plus this is in FL, so I could probably convince a jury that Martin had the gun and was chasing Zimmerman with it and tripped and shot himself...
I dont understand how you can prove that in court, beyond a reasonable doubt. I can paint about 15 pictures to the alternative right now. Plus this is in FL, so I could probably convince a jury that Martin had the gun and was chasing Zimmerman with it and tripped and shot himself...
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06-26-2013, 12:27 AM
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oh n/m that was Zimmerman's lawyer... but the prosecutor did say the motive was "because he wanted to."
I dont understand how you can prove that in court, beyond a reasonable doubt. I can paint about 15 pictures to the alternative right now. Plus this is in FL, so I could probably convince a jury that Martin had the gun and was chasing Zimmerman with it and tripped and shot himself...
I dont understand how you can prove that in court, beyond a reasonable doubt. I can paint about 15 pictures to the alternative right now. Plus this is in FL, so I could probably convince a jury that Martin had the gun and was chasing Zimmerman with it and tripped and shot himself...
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06-26-2013, 01:53 AM
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lol, the opening statement given was that Zimmerman shot Martin because, "he wanted to," and that, "the evidence will show that this is a sad case."
Last time I checked zimmerman was on trial for second-degree murder, and they need to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that zimmerman unlawfully killed another human being, NOT that this is a sad case.
also, by FL law, this should have been a third-degree murder charge at best (since the defense is going to say Zimmerman stalked Martin). And the unlawful killing of a human being, when perpetrated without any design to effect death, by a person engaged in the perpetration of, or in the attempt to perpetrate, any felony other than any: (o) Aggravated stalking, is murder in the third degree and constitutes a felony of the second degree.
Second-degree is defined as: The unlawful killing of a human being, when perpetrated by any act imminently dangerous to another and evincing a depraved mind regardless of human life, although without any premeditated design to effect the death of any particular individual, is murder in the second degree and constitutes a felony of the first degree
Which is not what the DA is going to argue, if this was the case, Zimmerman would have got out of his truck and just started shooting people at random. But he allegedly targeted and stalked zimmerman, which the DA WILL argue.
Last time I checked zimmerman was on trial for second-degree murder, and they need to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that zimmerman unlawfully killed another human being, NOT that this is a sad case.
also, by FL law, this should have been a third-degree murder charge at best (since the defense is going to say Zimmerman stalked Martin). And the unlawful killing of a human being, when perpetrated without any design to effect death, by a person engaged in the perpetration of, or in the attempt to perpetrate, any felony other than any: (o) Aggravated stalking, is murder in the third degree and constitutes a felony of the second degree.
Second-degree is defined as: The unlawful killing of a human being, when perpetrated by any act imminently dangerous to another and evincing a depraved mind regardless of human life, although without any premeditated design to effect the death of any particular individual, is murder in the second degree and constitutes a felony of the first degree
Which is not what the DA is going to argue, if this was the case, Zimmerman would have got out of his truck and just started shooting people at random. But he allegedly targeted and stalked zimmerman, which the DA WILL argue.
It's almost like you think the court system isn't full of politicians, appointed by politicians who are hell bent on destroying our constitutional rights.
I'm going to assume you're just trying to seduce me.
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06-26-2013, 10:11 AM
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She also "liked" the Justice for Trayvon facebook page and signed a petition for the state to bring charges against Zimmerman. Don't worry, his lawyer has been competent enough to do everything he can to discredit her which may or may not work depending on the jury.
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06-26-2013, 10:13 AM
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this jury is not going to convict zimmerman; probably the worst jury the state could get, let alone case. Has Zimmerman's lawyer attacked the case in general yet? that the state was only pursuing it, not after evidence presented itself, but after the mob swayed them to?
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06-26-2013, 10:28 AM
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I have not kept up with the case in enough detail to know exactly what has been said. I don't think he has taken that angle yet, though. He doesn't really need to do that either. There is not really enough evidence and if he claims prosecution due to public outcry that could backfire with the jury. He just has to keep poking ginormous holes in all of the States "evidence" and offer 15 of the 200 alternate theories of what may have happened and there is no way that the jury could rationally find him guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.
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06-26-2013, 10:46 AM
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wow, if this was the state's key witness, that was awful. basically the only thing she was sure of was her name.
pretty sure she committed perjury as well...and only gave opinion on who's voice is whose.
pretty sure she committed perjury as well...and only gave opinion on who's voice is whose.
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06-27-2013, 08:40 AM
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Reuters headline: "Trayvon Martin was followed by 'creepy' man, witness tells murder trial"
Buried in paragraph 9, the actual phrase: "He told me the man looked like 'a creepy *** cracker,'" Jeantel said, using a pejorative term for Southern whites.
pe·jo·ra·tive /pəˈjôrətiv/
Adjective
Expressing contempt or disapproval.
Noun
A word expressing contempt or disapproval.
Synonyms
derogatory
Conspicuously missing from the article is the other term Martin used to reference Zimmerman.
All of the pejoratives are missing from this version of the Reuters article. What is there? "Gunned down." In other articles, they use the phrase, "opened fire."
Zimmerman fired one round.
Buried in paragraph 9, the actual phrase: "He told me the man looked like 'a creepy *** cracker,'" Jeantel said, using a pejorative term for Southern whites.
pe·jo·ra·tive /pəˈjôrətiv/
Adjective
Expressing contempt or disapproval.
Noun
A word expressing contempt or disapproval.
Synonyms
derogatory
Conspicuously missing from the article is the other term Martin used to reference Zimmerman.
All of the pejoratives are missing from this version of the Reuters article. What is there? "Gunned down." In other articles, they use the phrase, "opened fire."
Zimmerman fired one round.
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06-27-2013, 08:52 AM
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Reuters headline: "Trayvon Martin was followed by 'creepy' man, witness tells murder trial"
Buried in paragraph 9, the actual phrase: "He told me the man looked like 'a creepy *** cracker,'" Jeantel said, using a pejorative term for Southern whites.
pe·jo·ra·tive /pəˈjôrətiv/
Adjective
Expressing contempt or disapproval.
Noun
A word expressing contempt or disapproval.
Synonyms
derogatory
Conspicuously missing from the article is the other term Martin used to reference Zimmerman.
All of the pejoratives are missing from this version of the Reuters article. What is there? "Gunned down." In other articles, they use the phrase, "opened fire."
Zimmerman fired one round.
Buried in paragraph 9, the actual phrase: "He told me the man looked like 'a creepy *** cracker,'" Jeantel said, using a pejorative term for Southern whites.
pe·jo·ra·tive /pəˈjôrətiv/
Adjective
Expressing contempt or disapproval.
Noun
A word expressing contempt or disapproval.
Synonyms
derogatory
Conspicuously missing from the article is the other term Martin used to reference Zimmerman.
All of the pejoratives are missing from this version of the Reuters article. What is there? "Gunned down." In other articles, they use the phrase, "opened fire."
Zimmerman fired one round.
I dunno how her testimony was allowed in court. it was complete fabrication and hearsay. I would have objected to every word out of her mouth and objected to her being able to testify at all, she also changed her story from her disposition, not the first "witness" to do this...
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06-27-2013, 11:45 AM
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Reuters headline: "Trayvon Martin was followed by 'creepy' man, witness tells murder trial"
Buried in paragraph 9, the actual phrase: "He told me the man looked like 'a creepy *** cracker,'" Jeantel said, using a pejorative term for Southern whites.
pe·jo·ra·tive /pəˈjôrətiv/
Adjective
Expressing contempt or disapproval.
Noun
A word expressing contempt or disapproval.
Synonyms
derogatory
Conspicuously missing from the article is the other term Martin used to reference Zimmerman.
All of the pejoratives are missing from this version of the Reuters article. What is there? "Gunned down." In other articles, they use the phrase, "opened fire."
Zimmerman fired one round.
Buried in paragraph 9, the actual phrase: "He told me the man looked like 'a creepy *** cracker,'" Jeantel said, using a pejorative term for Southern whites.
pe·jo·ra·tive /pəˈjôrətiv/
Adjective
Expressing contempt or disapproval.
Noun
A word expressing contempt or disapproval.
Synonyms
derogatory
Conspicuously missing from the article is the other term Martin used to reference Zimmerman.
All of the pejoratives are missing from this version of the Reuters article. What is there? "Gunned down." In other articles, they use the phrase, "opened fire."
Zimmerman fired one round.
And no, it's not a "conspiracy"
It's what happens when a bunch of newsies are all educated at the same university system, drink the same KoolAid, and create a self-perpetuating system via selection (i.e. editors tend not to hire journos with political views they find unpleasant)
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06-27-2013, 11:47 AM
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what about when she gives an interview and says "I couldn't hear Trayvon." then testified in court: "I said, I COULD hear trayvon." All after playing the recording where it was clear what she did or did not say...
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