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Old 07-02-2013, 01:22 PM   #401
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lunch time.


like the state keeps pressing:

the "these ******** always get away" and "******* punks" comment.
when and why he hosltered the weapon.
the body position.
how conscience he was after the fact.
why he called him a suspect in written statements.
why he followed trayvon down the path.
not knowing the address/street name.
it's not against the law to wear a hoodie.

What I believe they are trying to do is pretty much ignore most of the facts of the night and simply try to paint zimmerman as a person who was frustrated with the crime in his area and the fact that they weren't getting captured. That this made him disgruntled and angry, and he took it upon himself to stop it. He profiled Trayvon as a criminal who was guilty of a crime. He confronted and attacked Trayvon. That Trayvon yelled for help and was then shot by Zimmerman. Then Zimmerman did not have remorse for the death, and that he was not injured as far as he's claiming and that he knew exactly what he was doing.

No prove of course, but this is the best angle they have to prove 2nd degree murder, but so far they are doing a very poor job of presenting this angle. I dont see what other angle they have. Still have no clue how many more people they'll call to the stand...but it probably wont all come together until closing arguments.

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I wonder how long they're going to drag this out before the jury gets to decide that nobody really knows what happened.

I'm enjoying the play by play though, thanks Brain.
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too long. if this wasn't such a show trial, they'd have a verdict already.
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oh yeah, something interesting that came up: when police tried to challenge Zimmerman's story and they were talking about confrontation, they told Zimmerman that Trayvon was actually recording the whole thing on his phone at the time. Zimmerman replied, oh good I hope it captured exactly what happened. He also hoped that there might have been cameras in the courtyard by the HOA.

What hasn't come up is why they decided to charge him, like what changed in the investigation that led from them all believing his story and passing all the challenges/lies the police used to trick him into confession of a crime to charging him with a crime months later. I'm sure it wont come up at trial, maybe a defense witness, but it's something I'd like to know.
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oh yeah, something interesting that came up: when police tried to challenge Zimmerman's story and they were talking about confrontation, they told Zimmerman that Trayvon was actually recording the whole thing on his phone at the time. Zimmerman replied, oh good I hope it captured exactly what happened. He also hoped that there might have been cameras in the courtyard by the HOA.
He would have to have the best poker face in the world if he had anything to hide. That is probably the most common way they get people to confess or slip up. Facts like this are the reason that the jury will not be able to come back guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. There is so much god damn reasonable doubt that it isn't even funny.
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another thing about the altercation: Zimmerman has never once said that Trayvon grabbed the gun, always reaching for, or trying to get it. That would be such an easy thing to lie about and help the story. Later they found there was no DNA from Trayvon on the gun, but I thought that is an interesting point...here the state is trying to paint zimmerman as a lier who was hell bent on killing trayvon and he has never changed/altered his story and he didn't even twist the truth to help his favor.
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Can someone explain to me how CNN broadcast that information but none of the other channels did? My understanding is that the info was shown in the "media pool." I would think anyone filming live would have put up the same thing. No?
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Fox didn't broadcast it, they had other cameras they could pull from. For example, they never showed the pictures of the body during their live coverage...
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right now the state has called a medical examiner to the stand to say Zimmerman's injuries were not life threatening.

Well, of course, he's not dead.
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right now the state has called a medical examiner to the stand to say Zimmerman's injuries were not life threatening.
Well, they would have been if the guy doing it to Zimmerman wouldn't have been shot and had kept it up. Do they think he would have stopped on his own? Idiots.
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the state is just trying to paint a picture, that's all, they have nothing else.

non life threaten damage, profiling, disgruntled, lier, killer.



the defense again, is using her very well to his side. like trayvon had absolutely no damage on his body but for the gunshot (which was shot away from his body; the bullet entered the shirt inches away from the body, suggesting the gunshot was from below). zimmerman didnt happen to have a medical examiner on hand to be able to access his wounds before shooting, so shucks.

also, he was aware there were people around, but no one was helping. Good had come outside and said "im going to call the police" Zimmerman and Good's story match in this regard, the problem was, Zimmerman said, dont call the police, HELP ME. Good did not intervene, Zimmerman shot moments later, and then sometime between 30 seconds and a minute or so later a police officier showed up. I feel like that's kinda an important issue, here's someone pleading for help, he thinks he's going to die, he thinks the person attacking him is going to grab his gun, he knows someone is witnessing it and not helping, I mean what else was he to do?

If was really commiting 2nd degree murder, why would he wait until he was getting jumped and his *** beat? If he caught Trayvon in bed with his wife, he chased him down and killed him, then I'd say yeah he's guilty of 2nd degree. There's just no chance for the state and this is just a waste of time/money. it's all a show and they all want 15 minutes since FL lets cameras inside the courtroom.
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Are you supposed to wait until after you have life threatening injuries to defend yourself? Seems like that would almost defeat the purpose.
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Are you supposed to wait until after you have life threatening injuries to defend yourself? Seems like that would almost defeat the purpose.

that's what the state is going to try to argue apparently. Thats why they used the medical examiner witness to convey.
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The fixation on race, instead of looking at the victim and the shooter as 2 individuals, is ludicrous.

The gov't and the media love to put people into boxes and divide them.
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right now they are arguing 5 exhibits to be admitted into court. a few documents and textbooks from GZ's schooling.

The state is trying to use these documents to paint GZ as a wannabe cop, who knew about the stand your ground law, knew how to profile, and knew police procedures, and therefore had knowledge on ways to cover up a murder/crime.
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Hey Police? Hey there's this guy I'm about to shoot in cold blood, in spite. Please meet me at the mailboxes and I'll show you to the body. Hurry, I'm about to do it. Come arrest me.
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right now they are arguing 5 exhibits to be admitted into court. a few documents and textbooks from GZ's schooling.

The state is trying to use these documents to paint GZ as a wannabe cop, who knew about the stand your ground law, knew how to profile, and knew police procedures, and therefore had knowledge on ways to cover up a murder/crime.
they allowed the documents and such; the judge is the state's lapdog. They better allow evidence about TM's past now.
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who knew about the stand your ground law,
I'm still trying to figure out how the prosecution intends to show how SYG applies here. The media went apeshit over it, and still continues to, but you can't apply it to either version of events.
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The state's case is weak, so they have to use every inconsisteny in his state to prove he's a lier with ill will.

In an interview with Sean Hannity, GZ claimed to not know about the law. So now the state wants to prove he DID know about it and he's a liar.

They'll just keep a stockpile of all the small minute indescrepencies in the story and "falsehoods" and they pile it up on the jury at the closing statements to paint a picture.
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