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Old 08-08-2007, 06:20 AM   #361
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Ok guys this just hit me! When I needed a connector for a map sensor I bought it at a GM dealer. Since a Pontiac Vibe is a Toyota with a 1ZZFE engine then maybe a GM dealer could look up the connectors for the COP coils??? =) Someone hit up a dealer and ask for maybe a '03+ Vibe coil connector. Then ask for quantity discounts!
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Old 08-08-2007, 09:24 AM   #362
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I have a good relationship with the parts counter at the chevy dealer, if you can tell me what chevy will work, I can.
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Old 08-08-2007, 11:40 AM   #363
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The vibe was the only GM I believe with that body style. I don't think they brought it to the other "names". However, the chev guy should be able to order the vibe parts if necessary....

Might still be worth the investigation....

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Old 08-08-2007, 11:45 AM   #364
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Do the connectors on the wires look like this?


(similar to injector harnesses)
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Old 08-08-2007, 11:48 AM   #365
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ooo that's nice. might just need to shave off the mounting tabs

do you have dim's on those connectors?
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ooo that's nice. might just need to shave off the mounting tabs

do you have dim's on those connectors?
shave off what mounting tabs? I have no idea if they're even remotely related. I need pictures of the harness side of the connector, not the coil side.
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Old 08-08-2007, 12:09 PM   #367
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mounting tabs on the coil, it has 2 on top. the connector you pictured has one slot on top, one on bottom. that connector you pictured looks like it is the right design. just no way to know if it's sized and proportioned right.
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Old 08-08-2007, 12:24 PM   #368
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I don't think it would be tough since these cops have built in ignitors. I would attempt, but Joe Perez is much better qualified.
Sure, dangle an attractive problem in front of the engineer and watch him work.

I think Lazzer's solution has merit. A flip-flop could be set on the rising edge of the CMP, and reset on the trailing edge of the second CKP thereafter. The output of this flip-flop would drive two pairs of gates, with an inverting buffer on the switch input to one pair. This would make the mod compatible with MS as well as stock ECUs and piggybacks.

However, I won't be the one building it unfortunately. When I epoxied my coils I only connected tach wires to two of them, so my engine will be running wasted-spark unless someone out there wishes to donate two coils to the project.
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Old 08-08-2007, 12:41 PM   #369
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Doing some poking around this morning, I think while looking at the GM Parts sites....

Chevrolet Prizm - 2000->2002 might have the same coils in it.

This site lists the coils for the 2002-> 2006 vibe as the same part number (GT is different from the base), however it also implies that the prizm uses the same part number.

www.gmpartsdirect.com

My mom just got a new 2006 vibe. The next time I see it, I'll try to get some shots of the coils and also the connectors......

EDIT: Confirmed from another GM parts site -- these look the same too, plus the same part number:

http://parts.replacementgeneralparts...1&make_code=CV

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Old 08-08-2007, 12:45 PM   #370
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Oh, I like where this is going! That definitly looks to be the proper part, for sourcing a connector plug... who's got the GM hookup
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Nope, sorry. Connectors alone are not for sale. Whole harness only, for the low cost of $700.
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mounting tabs on the coil, it has 2 on top. the connector you pictured has one slot on top, one on bottom. that connector you pictured looks like it is the right design. just no way to know if it's sized and proportioned right.
keying tabs are trivial. I'm just trying to find the right family. It appppppearrrrs to be a standard bosch connector. possibly made by amp/tyco but I can't find it on their site.
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no, i don't see those working.
matt's is the closest, and yeah knocking down the tabs is trivial. what are the odds it's the right size though
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Nope, sorry. Connectors alone are not for sale. Whole harness only, for the low cost of $700.
Damn. Probably because it's a sourced engine. I know they have all sorts of connectors for there own equipment. Sorry guy I thought I was on to something. So, if you replace your spark plugs on a Vibe or Prism don't break that connector it'll cost you $700 if you do. :gay:
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http://catalog.tycoelectronics.com/T...^N~1^IDS~48035
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http://www.molex.com/cgi-bin/bv/mole...cehedffgdfmk.0

Maybe.


ben, can you tell me the dimensions of the connector at all? terminal width and spacing, if they're centered top to bottom. if there's any keying (I saw none) other than the latch on top...
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the cop connector outside measurement is 1" wide x 7/16" high. 4 male rectangular pins inside. I don't have a micrometer to get down in there but they appear 1/16" wide and .7mm high. They are evenly spaced left and right, but are set up closer to the top of the coil than to the bottom.
To add to that, it looks like the pins are 4mm center to center. All measurements taken with tape measure, not caliper or micrometer
However, I have access to both tools, 30 minutes away from me. f you find somehthing that seems like it will work I will go take good measurements. The only key I recall is the 2 small raised ridges on top, one on either side of center. They will immediately disappear with a razor or dremel.
<edit> I was wrong about the keys. there are 3 on top, all convexities. top center key is wedge shaped. pointy end of triangle forward, less than 1mm tall towards rear. 5mm wide. designed for a release tab to grab. on either side of the wedge is a bump, each is 3mm from their respective end of the wedge, and 1mm wide, 2mm deep (front to back), 1mm tall


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http://catalog.tycoelectronics.com/T...&N=1&IDS=48035

Go here... Click

Product Drawings:
1 X 4 PLG ASY KEY A-C3 (PDF, English)

The actual part of that plug that inserts into the coil's connector will fit. I'm not sure about the clip though.

I have specs for the Toyota connector I'll post in a minute.
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Looking at the coil the ID is 22mm x 8.5mm and pin spacing is 5mm

The connector Braineack and I are talking about has a plug OD of 20.4mm x 7.1mm and has 5mm pin spacing. In other words it fits electrically but I can't tell if the "retainment housing" will clip to the coil. Order a test sample.

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