good point. The NA 2.5 with a tune would be a ton of fun in an ND.

Honestly... ND's are a real hoot right out of the box.

They could just turbo the 1.5. The mid-cycle refresh should just do that. The 2.0 for base model cars and then a turbo 1.5 for the "Mazdaspeed" version. Just keep all the stronger 2.0 parts like the axles, transmission (lol) and all that.

In other news, my transmission is getting a little sloppy... It sometimes pops out of gear or grinds randomly...

ND? Take it in now. You'll get a gen 2 trans.

CC, doesn't your car have like 10 miles on it?!?!

They made 1500 MSMs in 2005 and couldn't sell them all. There were brand new ones still on the lot deep into 2006 AFAIK. If you think Mazda will ever build another one, I have a bridge to sell you

:laugh:

too true.

Right, but the MSM was pretty poorly execute, no?

How did the MS3 do in comparison?

They discontinued that too

Me knows. But I was curious how well that sold relative to the msm.

I think they should have that up their sleeve given the current market.

IMO, a style refresh of the current Mazda3 hatch would have to occur. The current one seems so bland. Especially when you compare it to the soon to be released turbo rice rocket type-r civic. Possibly around or slightly higher than 28k (miata clerb, scooby wrx, vdub gti). I wish they had kept the MS3 going :cry: mazda seems very reserved right now with the only toy being miat.

Bland?

Really?

I mean, it's not gaudy like the Civic, but it's also not anything I'd consider bland. Nice swoops and lines. Some folks don't like the outrageous styling of honda's latest, and I'm one of them. I think they're awful.

AFAIK the MS3 sold quite well.

Mazda's marketing department is strange.

I agree that the current Mazda 3 is good-looking, and the new Civic wretched.

--Ian

I guess I just like the last gen MS3... I still see that as modern. A few guys locally run some pretty clean cars. The new just feels to rounded in the rear :dunno: I'd want more edgy lines personally, but still be far away from the civic. A current 2017 Mazda3 looks amazing don't get me wrong :likecat: I guess I'd prefer more aggressive styling like what with they did on the ND.

When I went to go test drive a ND Sport, the nice sales woman hinted at a AWD MS3 model to be released. But I took it with a grain of salt.

Mazda would have to take a huge hit on the miata for them to stop making it. They've made it for far too long and it consistently gets them awesome press. If they do re-vamp it at all, a better NA engine would be really awesome too, but an FI setup would have to not be half assed like the MSM was. That's why it didn't do all that well. I just didn't have that much more on tap...

I think that they'd have to be dumb to not be working on an MS3 reboot. There's just too much opportunity out there for it currently. The RS and Type R are making waves. Subaru has been super stagnant and doesn't really have a hot hatch anymore... I also really don't like the look of the current WRX/STI models. It's such a disappointment after how nice the previous models were imho.

The ND redesign, imho, is fantastic. They hit the ball out of the park. I think it has aggressive enough body lines without being too obtrusive. Which also, imho, means that it would sell decently with more power if the advertising was done right. I'm honestly surprised that the ND hasn't been selling super well considering the sport retails for 25k.

Does anyone think that they're kinda testing the waters with the fiata to see if things are worth doing? The fiata sales are pretty low, but I don't think that's all that unexpected.

Edit: If this is to be believed, they've definitely got the momentum thing going!
http://carsalesbase.com/us-car-sales...da-mx-5-miata/

Screw a MS3 reboot. Give me the Mazda 6 wagon with the euro diesel and a manual. Thats like the only car that could convince me to buy a new car instead of a used car.

We have had a brand new AVO turbo kit sitting in out front room for almost two months now. Waiting for a trans solution. After SB Garage blew their gen 2 on pump gas, we scratched our plan to source a gen 2 and install the kit.
Our new, uninstalled kit is available for $3990 shipped in the US.

I saw one guy claim he got a gen 2 by just complaining about the shift feel on m.net. Have you heard about others getting the same thing? My situation is a bit hard, because the nearest dealer is about 2 hours away. The last time I had to get it serviced, when the top had to get replaced, they sent an old man to trailer it to the dealer. If the service writer has to agree with the diagnosis of a bad transmission, that means I need to go over there first. I'll be a bit harder on it and consider going over there on my days off.

Also, is that AVO kit you want to sell a Stage 1 or Stage 2?

Did you actually talk to Ariel about the transmission breaking? He kept on mentioning breaking it, but still has only posted one pic and no other information.

I keep hearing stuff both ways too. Some think the revised boxes are fine, and others are saying otherwise. The only "proof" I have seen is a pic of a bunch of metal shit stuck to a magnetic drain plug. My tentative ND purchase is waiting until potential transmission issues are worked out. It is hard to get a clear answer.

Pinged him offline. Broke 3rd. Our GCC box with EMCO 3-4 might preclude that failure but still has a glass 1-2, 5-6. We'd like to autocross it.

Our turbo kit is a stage 1, no tuning solution. Avo has a tablet now and will have an EcuTek solution soon.

Thanks. At this point, I think the only FI solution I would be willing to chance is a Jackson Racing Rotrex kit. I wish they would say if they are making one or not, because they have had an ND for a good while now.

As much as I want horsepower, I think I will just stick to buying a post-September built '17 and making it mostly a street car with HPDE ability. Make me an oil-cooler kit already!

Failure pics of the ND with the revised trans will be coming up soon, too busy with work! Rough plan over here is to attempt retrofitting a 370z trans. Last time I checked, transmission were failing left and right within the Global Cup series. The upgraded gears are supposed to be better along with the studs but quite pricey.

Background of the car for those interested as followed.
- AVO Stage 2 Turbo System tuned via Ross from AVOTurboWorld
- GC Clutch & Lightweight Flywheel Combo
- 100oct at 8psi

That'swhatI'mtalkingabout!!! Now stick on vents for +5 hp.

But seriously. Sweet ride.

Or go lemons style & use it as a bolt on aero penalty.

My ND shit the bed. I was driving down the highway to work and I felt a very loud bang and the car immediately started misfiring and every light on the dash lit up and started flashing. I was close to a gas station, so I shut it down and coasted it in. I left it off for a few minutes and restarted it. It ran like complete shit, but it got me to work. I drove it home after work and it has sat for a week now. I called the dealership I bought it from and they said to call Mazda roadside assistance. They are coming to my house after work to tow it to the dealership 100 miles away.

oh yikes.

Wow. So engine, not transmission eh? Fun.

I haven't had time to install the Konis I got in last week. This weekend though... I will be lower.

Any update?

Mazda roadside sent a flat-bed, so that was nice. The lady at the dealership just called me and they are blaming it on a too full tank of gas. It has a code for misfiring that won't go away, so I am really confused at how a misfire could result from gas... at the back of the car. They are claiming the drain hole just underneath the gas cap getting gas in it will cause misfires.

I have had 6 miatas and I fill them all up to the absolute top of the filler neck damn near every time. I've never had any misfire issues because of that. Not to mention this ND has had 8700 miles of completely full gas tanks with no misfires...

So you can break an ND by filling up the gas tank? Interesting.... How long after your last fill up did the issue start?

In theory it would be possible to flood it/set rich codes if you filled it up enough it got into the evap system and started to pull fuel through the purge solenoid. Seems highly unlikely to me though.

You really shouldn't fill ANY car past the "click" of the gas nozzle. You can slosh gas into the evap system which is not good for anything.

umm yeah, while I agree it's not good, I can't imagine it causing a mis-fire, but I know nothing about this new skyactive engine voodoo.

also if it was true I'd imagine them getting like 100+ cars per week for this problem.

Lol. I used to brim my Ford truck, wash the windshield, brim it again, wash the back window and brim it again. Evap system and carbon canister held 1.2 gallons. :rofl:

This misfire episode did in fact occur the day after I filled it up with gas, but it had already been driven 15+ miles before it happened. I was also going perfectly straight and I was not accelerating hard at all, so there is no way the fuel was sloshing around or anything.

If I didn't fill the tank past the "click" then my NB would never take more than 7 gallons, even if the fuel gauge is showing lower than E. All three of my NB's have been like that. The ND is my 6th miata and I have never once had a problem like this. Like I said earlier, I have been doing this since the day I got the car and it has been driven much harder with a completely full tank before. I can always get 2-3 gallons more past the click.

NBs have some kind of vent issue, there's actually a recall on some 99s for this.

When mine shuts off I start the pump again. If it immediately clicks back off then I consider it done, but if it's happy to add more on auto then I let it continue.

--Ian

I fill my FXT until the fuel level is visible just above fill tube flapper EVERY time and it adds an extra gallon of capacity compared to what it takes when it hits the first click.

I'm currently @ 11,440 miles in my ND, GT package, I picked it up at exactly 4992 miles right before the new years. It's a February 2016 (2/2016 on chassis) car so I'm not sure if it has the gen 1 or gen 2 transmission but it hasn't exploded yet and I drive it pretty rough.

However this week I took it in to have the wheel bearing replaced. The week prior to this it was making all kinds of crazy noises and the front driver wheel was clunking rotating back and forth, with the brake caliper completely off the rotor it was wanting to grab at certain points during rotation. Then magically a day after it was making terrible noises it stopped. They changed it anyways out of fear of it totally failing.

That is a funky problem. Your car will not have an updated transmission unless it was made on or after 9/6/16.

Filling my 2000 sometimes takes 10-15 minutes of letting the gas slowly trickle in. It absolutely refuses to take a full force load. It will click off after about a half gallon, no matter how empty it is. After it's about half full, it will click off immediately. Pretty annoying.

but then you refuse to take my full force load too

So you think my transmission is still a ticking time bomb? Is it all the transmissions suffering the same issue or is it only some of them? Because I had hopes and dreams of throwing a cam and turbo at this car and it's slowly fading :(

Wasn't there a fix for that? I don't think I've ever had this issue on mine.

I do tend to overfill it, or go a few clicks past the first one. Usually adds 1-2 gallons. Maybe I'll do this only if I'm going to be going on a long drive right afterwards. I don't want to have more crud to deal with... or break more shit.

I think (know) that your BRZ/FRS would have taken boost better and more reliably.

Seeing how my cylinder head grenaded at 29k miles completely stock and while idling at a stop sign, this doesn't make me feel good at all. I made the poor decision of buying a Miata in hopes of less headaches and less fear of stuff breaking

this thread is filled with poor decisions, hopes, and fear

Yes but that's not exactly common (they have their share of issues, but they're typically pretty sporadic from what I've seen)

So far this thread has borne out only one major shop who has turbo'd their ND and it blew the transmission in short order. This is not uncommon, it seems.

It appears Mazda slightly overdid it with the whole "add lightness" thing.

There are three turbo kits out there right now, to my knowledge. You have the BBR one, which is now being pushed by Flyin Miata in the US. You have the AVO kit, which is the one that SB Garage is using that blew the gen 2 transmission not too long ago. Then you have the Turbosource EFR kit, which holds the power and torque record, yet they inexplicably have no problems on their gen 1 transmission.

Mazda obviously won't come out and say what the problem really is, but when street users blow their transmissions, it is 2nd or 3rd gear. The track users, including the Cup cars, keeping blowing 3 and 4. The most common speculation is that it is metallurgical issues, but with SB Garage blowing up their gen 2 transmission at 8 psi on 100 octane gas, then there is a strength problem too. The gen 2 supposedly has stronger gears, but I don't think we will ever truly know.

My personal experience with my '16 Sport transmission is that it has been degrading in feel. It is getting notchier, more difficult to put into gear, and grinds on 2nd and 3rd occasionally. I am at 8800 miles.

My personal method for filling up any Miata gas tank is letting it do its thing until it clicks off. Then I pull it out enough that I can see the level and start trickling fuel in. I do that until it is all the way up the filler neck. I have done this for nearly a decade now on every single one of my 6 Miatas. No misfire problems across hundreds of thousands of miles, until now, supposedly.

The whole "You filled up too much" thing smells like bullshit to me. It hasn't been a problem I've seen popping up anywhere. I don't see how that would hurt a brand new car so much. Seems like they would have idiot proofed it by now. I hope this thing for you is a one time incident and it isn't some widespread engine screw up. I don't think it is, but you never know. Either way, I hope it gets taken care of.

If only the 124's engine didn't blow ass, at least it has a NC transmission. It has to be one of the most frustrating engines on the planet. Not to mention all of the fanbois are claiming the damn thing can easily hit 200whp, I have yet to see one single instance of it doing such.

At the end of the day, we just need to wait and see how glass like these transmissions are. I genuinely hope there is improvement.

ORLY?
https://www.motor1.com/news/140074/p...at-500-abarth/

I think he was referring to making that much HP without replacing almost everything for an extra 45 grand.

One thing is for sure, driving a ND is a ton of fun, but owning one may be another story...

Well, I think a engine swap would be cheaper, but whatever. I was talking with bolt ons, maybe I should have specified.

Either way, with that car you are still driving something that looks like the result of a turtle humping a carbon fiber mailbox.

Yes, that is what I meant. I might be a dick and buy a ND anyways, but my cheapness will probably take over, reason will set in, and I will just man up and buy a EFR 6758 or bigger. I'm not feeling my 2871.

I've definitely heard of the over filling issues with newer cars. Read through case studies on it but never saw it first hand. It is a thing. Didn't know the ND had a problem with it, but it doesn't surprise me at all. It can depend on the way the manufacturer checks for evap leaks. I thought most manufacturers wouldn't run evap tests if the tank is above 80% or below 20, but that's not set in stone. For those of you that "top off" beware of this on newer vehicles. Just because you could do it only your old pickup doesn't mean you can on a new vehicle.

If they open open the vent and purge solenoid to draw a vacuum on the tank (common for evap checks) and the tank is over full, this would quickly fill the charcoal canister and even draw liquid fuel directly into the engine. I've also heard it can be very costly as the dealer may want to replace the entire evap system at the cost of the customer. Not saying this will happen here. They basically look at it as operator error and therefore not covered under warranty.

This is isn't the first of this and it won't be the last.

Edit: I think they leave the vent closed to draw vacuum on the tank, but you get the picture.

I had a long talk to the service writer at the dealer and he really emphasized what you are talking about here. He said Mazda has pushed extra training on the Skyactiv's because of issues like this. He said the Skyactivs are pretty evap happy and run a higher pressure than normal? I still think it is very odd that it has happened only this once when I have always filled it all the way up, but whatevs. They are keeping it over the weekend to run more diagnostics, check out the whole evap system, and also look into the transmission issue.

Welp, I've ruined the car.

I put on Konis and now the car grips even with the OEM tires at full soft.

So who prayed to Satan to have my Miata trans break when i joined this?
11900 miles, rolled in second gear onto the throttle starting @ 2k RPMs until i heard a nasty metal echoing pop @ 4k RPMs. Let off gas, transmission violently clunking. Went to first, no issues, shifted to second again, violent clunking, shifted to 3rd and it was a nasty sharp echoing metal on metal sound as if you had something metal and pointy grinding onto something metallic and cylindrical spinning at high speeds. 1st, 4th, 5th and 6th had a nasty gurgling undertone sound to them like something was stirring around in the trans fluid. Limped it home about 20 miles, in my hometown 2nd gear stopped clunking but now starts to make the same nasty sound 3rd does.