I'm sure they're a decent company but putting bright red rtv on flanges is just 'tarded. At least use black if you're gonna do something silly like that, so it doesn't look as bad

I spy a really low-hanging resonator. That means you have the GWR long-tube header. Spill the beans! Dyno comparisons?

160whp on CA91 with my tune, GWR LT and Super Q. Someone with more dyno time and experience could probably get a few more horsepower from it.

I'm just waiting for a proper Flex Fuel kit and tune for the ND and the BRZ will be going bye-bye. I miss having a convertible.

That would be very nice. I wonder if FM is working on a flex fuel kit for the ND?

The hardware itself is simple. Delete the secondary O2 sensor, plug the sensor in there, bang. That's how all the current kits do it for other vehicles.

Guess the demand just isn't there yet.

dunno which cars you're talking about (brz?) but most modern Subaru's you can't delete the secondary sensor without tripping a heater cel that cannot be erased. they usually delete tgv's and use that to feed the signal, so same general idea

Have you heard of tuning cars before? They change that input.

newb


hehe

EDIT: I mean come on. It's not like you are running an E85 map without a tune. I expected more of you.

Wat is tuning? Is that like a pc-pro?

*edit: did you read the part about not being able to erase/delete/eliminate the code on newer years?

I did, but I'm speaking solely from my BRZ experience. And that's exactly what they do, or the EVAP harness. So all the tuners can figure out how to delete the secondary O2 in the BRZ in a tune, but not a WRX/STi?

Let me guess, they are pushing some solution in addition to their tune that fixes it that costs money?

They use the secondary to aid the primary o2 in fueling algorythms. They cannot be deleted, and even if they were, it would impact/limit the ecu from full range of fueling control. And no, I'm not pushing any sort of solution when I tune these cars. (but I know where you're coming from with that comment, and agree)I don't have much experience with ecutec though so I can't speak for them.
Anyways, back on topic: I'd have figured that flex fuel would be figured out by now by the big tuning shops.

Ours was one of the first ND's Matt (OV Tuned) tried to setup for E85 in late 2015 but it didn't work on the first few tries. I understand he has a fully dialed E85 tune now. Don't know if he is working on flex fuel but it would make sense.
Ross at AVO has an EcuTek tune for the turbo kit done, just working out the transfer protocols so he can get it into customers cars. So the stock ECU has the capability of dealing with post 100kpa sensor inputs and alternative or heavily tweaked lookup tables.
So I'm guessing flex fuel is possible.

Flex fuel for the BRZ is implemented in a few ways. The best I've seen uses a control box which intercepts and modifies o2 signal based on input from the flex fuel sensor they provide. Its a clean plug and play installation other than piggy backing off a fuse in the engine bay for power. Then its just a matter of the tuner using ECUtek to set up the parameters in the ECU.

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...b7f4231b8a.jpg

They really haven't figure out that they can send the flex fuel signal to the ecu with the avcs sensor line if you delete it like some of the custom rom raider roms on the wrxs?

Attn: tall drivers!
 

We're looking at producing a lowered OEM style seat base for the ND.
The details and pricing survey are in this link, I'll update this thread as we go along.

Reading more about the ND is getting me to want one more and more....

Then buy mine for cheap. 2016 Sport with 7850 miles. All I used it for was long trips all over CO, TX, and NM. 3M Crystalline tint on the windshield and side windows. White and has the updated top replaced by warranty. Located in NM. PM me if interested.

I am super upside-down on my ND, so I might just end of keeping it, because I don't want to take a 8k+ hit on it. That would be painful. Plus no one responds after they find out what I would want for it.

So I am stuck between two worlds. Those AVO turbo kits seems pretty damn cool and very reasonably priced. I am about to get $6500 for turning in my VW TDI, so that would pay for the turbo kit and then some. I then run into the issue of having the shitty transmission that could break at any second. I have never had a proper turbo miata, so this would be a first for me. I had an 04 MSM, but it was on the stock ECU, so that was horrendous and undriveable half of the time.

I still haven't seen any user reviews of the kit. It seems to be able to hit the power (flow?) limits of the stock engine. The ND heads don't flow very much, so everyone seems to be capped at roughly 250 whp, but with a nice swell of torque below that.

I have a Sport, so I would still need to add an LSD, upgrade the brakes, add a rollbar, it needs an oil cooler even stock, etc etc. It would be a huge spiral of costs, but damn would it be fun.

The good thing about adding this kit early on is that power goals with have been accomplished and it an can expand from there by porting the head and turning up the boost in the future. As long as a transmission solution is found, of course.

Or you could take the hit on the ND, build up your NB, and still have money left in your wallet. Putting more money into something you're annoyed about losing money on is the definition of a sunk cost fallacy lol.

Reasons I refuse to buy an ND RF despite the fact I love them. I have no debt right now and it's glorious. I'm sure it'd not be "smart", it's definitely not fun, but I'd put the 6,800 towards principal + a little extra principal on monthly payments and get rid of the ND if it's a burden. Then enjoy no payment bliss in an NA/NB or even cheap as balls NC.

I have been through 5 other Miatas now. 3 NB's and 2 NC's. The ND is such a leap over the other generations. I currently have an 01 SE that the paint is peeling off in rapid fashion and loves to vibrate apart. It is a 16 year old car, after all. I just took it on a 1500+ mile road trip and it is fun, but the ND just blows it away in every dimension. I easily have 10k of parts laying around my garage for it and I could probably sell the car itself for 3-5k. If I sold all of that and used that $6500 towards principal, I could make the ND much less of a burden and enjoy a much better car. Decisions, decisions...

My goal for a long time was to have a 250 whp miata and apparently the ND can do that stock and track reliably. According to one guy (ITOzann) on m.net, he has done 3 track days so far and had no issues. My goal is to have a fun street car and do the occasional HPDE. I don't want any reliability issues and I love to do long road trips. I definitely don't understand the lack of off-the-shelf oil coolers, though. Every modern car these days that uses VVT heats up the oil big time and they need a cooler.

It seems pretty clear then:
sell off everything else and enjoy the car that makes you happy, which appears to be the ND. This hobby is a money pit no matter which way you look at it, the main goal being enjoyment/satisfaction. If you're not loving the car you drive every day, you're doing it oh so very wrong.

People who seriously care about sound financial decisions do not buy roadsters to modify and track and daily drive.

ND Xida ACE semi-active suspension
 

So we had a local customer with a 124 Abarth order a Xida ACE system with 400/200 "Sport" springs and our billet coaxial mounts. Standard ACE systems is effectively double adjustable. We asked if we could install the system to see how it worked in the Fiata. Straigt forward install.
The lead coming out the top of each damper was small enough not to interfere with the OEM shock tower brace. So under the hood the harness is basically invisible. Other than the little fob on the center console, one would never know this little Fiat has a state of the art semi active race suspension. Quite stealth.

The fob has three parameters you can adjust to 5 different levels each, 1=full soft, 5=max stiff. DDA which is base shock stiffness, Roll, and Pitch. The Roll and Pitch parameters are interesting because the control unit can actually soften the unloaded side of the car below the base DDA setting while stiffening the loaded side. If combining say, braking and turning, it vectors damping stiffness to the most heavily loaded wheel and softens the lightest loaded wheel. Crank the Pitch stiffness to max and it responds to small on/off throttle inputs by stiffening the shocks. Too much for daily driving so we keep the Roll & Pitch turned down to position 2 or 3 and DDA at full soft. The owner has the OEM RE050's on 17x7 wheels. No exactly a high grip tire/wheel combo. For this reason and the anti-roll characteristics of the ACE system, we advised him to stick with the Abarths OEM sway bars to preserve ride quality.

So driving it is fascinating. The jittery ride of the OEM Bilstein shocks is gone. Where Botts dots and tiny road imperfections would make the car shimmy and vibrate, the ACE equipped cars just soaks it up. You hear the tires slapping over the bumps but can't feel it in the car. It floats over big expansion joints with the gentle body motions of a 3000lb car. Dab the brakes and snap it into a turn and the car responds instantaneously, hunkering down and railing around the turn with almost no body roll like a 2200lb STR Miata. Weird and wonderful.

This Fiata rides better than our own ND. We're quite jelly at the moment. Our car will also get ACE with a 4 way adjustable damper and the DSC control system. That's basically what they are running on Pirelli World Challenge GT3's and Vipers.

Before install
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...fb60d17c16.jpg

Tractive accelerometer/control unit installed in this void under the center console
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...ace071002b.jpg

Fob location
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...ba1e4f7428.jpg

the win is quite strong
next you should convince him to ditch those horrendously ugly wheels for some proper 6uls

He is totally flossing on those stock size HRE's lol. I have considered getting a 124 Classica, too, if any reliable reflash info came out showing real gains. Adding an ND 2.9 rear end to the Classica gives it the perfect DD gearing.

Emilio, I need some feedback from you on the AVO turbo kit!

What is the price tag on that full-stop suspension kit?

Any updates on the OSGiken?

Troof. Sounds like the NB is more of a burden than the ND. My only car is a lowish mileage NA that's fantastic in every way EXCEPT HOW LOUD IT IS ON THE INTERSTATE, so I'm just going to ignore all the stuff about how great the ND is before I head to the Mazda dealer a mile up the road and make poor (awesome) decisions.

Don't go test drive one. I put off driving one for months and months, but the first time I drove one, I drove home in the Sport.

1. Ours not installed yet. Find a transmission solution before installing.
2. ND Xida coilovers Miata
3. You may notice we tend to not offer updates until we have something to update :)

4k isn't bad at all for the billet upper mounts and a semi-active suspension!

Ugghhhhh, I am just imagining buying a 124 Classica, adding that suspension set-up, bigger brakes, 17x9 6UL's w/ 245s, an ND 2.9 rear end, full bolt-ons, and a reflash. That would be an insanely good canyon car!!

Analysis paralysis.

That is definitely not the case. I act and act often. 5 cars in two years.

Indeed.

You appear to be afflicted in a similar manner as I am. Always saying "Oh man this would be sweet," constantly coming up with new configurations and builds and plans, gathering information, etc.

If you're not sure about it, don't do anything. Just sit tight. You'll find what you're looking for, and you'll know it when you find it.

When did MT turn into CR?

It always was, our wheels just fit.

What are you referring to?

Some folks have the grass is greener syndrome. Lots of us do, I think. Even with my Miata.... always thinking about what to do next, what I want out of the car. It's worse with my main car (currently my S2000), always thinking about a Camaro or Corvette or GTI or... or....... always something else pulling.

But ultimately, every day, I love driving my S2000. And when I think about my Miata, I'm very happy with the turbo build, so I stay where I am.

He'll figure it out.

Yep, this. I'm conflicted between keeping the BRZ and doing some more mods to it, taking it back stock. Buying a new Mustang GT or Camaro SS, I also have an unhealthy desire for the Audi RS3 they are going to start bringing over (although that would really be out of the budget until I get some stuff paid off).

HAHAHA could not agree more with these guys.

Every single day I'm pondering another car. After wasting hours looking, thinking, comparing, I realize that I can't really do much better than I'm doing now without spending a ton of time, or money, or both, or significantly downgrading altogether. Then I look at my sexy car that's a perfect blend of power/speed, sexiness, comfort, and sportiness and wonder why I'm wasting time day dreaming about all these things.

Then 2-3 days later the whole process starts over. Rinse and repeat.

It's silly, but what are you gonna do. And no, this place aint CR. Not while I'm here and have the ability to ban those retards.

I must say, I'm in a happy place right now with both of my NAs.

Craigslist/Autotrader browsing/dreaming is about a every other week thing for me. That's about how much time it takes to forget the math and that I'm a peasant by Austin standards. ND, NSX, FD, 996 Carrera S/Turbo, Cayman S, or hell just turbo/supercharging the NA, the list goes on and will never be realized because my next vehicle will probably be a boring ass truck so I can haul my NA to the track in comfort and maybe, one day, an SM/SPM S2/Cheap as balls by racing standards Miata.

Someone please put this in their sig, mine is full atm :giggle:

I'd avoided CR for a long time but have been back in the last few months and was surprised how it's changed.
98% of it used to be crap on how guys ruined their cars beyond the point of driveability and fellow retards responding with how "SICK" and awesome those cars looked, but there were always a few gems, anything posted by revlimiter, MSMjohn's awesome write-ups, and there's a guy who calls himself aidandj who seems to know his stuff.
It seems that the younger "retard crew" have moved onto the F-witsbook MX-5 forum, leaving CR a "better place".

Wow I'm glad to hear that I'm not the only one that has a sick compulsion to constantly do this! I've been able to resist replacing our daily cars but still ended up picking up another 3 Miatas in the last 8 months.

I'm going to go test drive an Abarth tomorrow and see what kind of trade-in I could get for the '16. One dealer offered me 18k. This car is a rock sinking to the bottom of the ocean of depreciation.

Complains about resale of current Miata

Considers purchasing same car rebadged with ugly body and Fiat branding, cuz that's somehow better

Aright now you're on your own.

I said a few pages back that I wanted a turbo Miata. Well, the Fiata is a turbo miata and it has a proven transmission behind it, unlike the ND. Emilio said to not even bother with turboing the ND unless I had a transmission solution.

I won't buy an Abarth, it has a bunch of stuff I don't want. I would buy a base Classica with the Technology package. This all hinges on getting an acceptable trade-in from a dealer, which 99% likely won't happen, so this is just a way to entertain myself on my days off. Don't worry so much.

I will most likely have to suck it up, take the huge hit on the ND, and turbo my 01. I have the time to check out all options, so why not?

Be sure to turn Sport mode on. Little rocker switch behind shifter. Boost rises quicker and raises steering effort. I understand reflashes are available already. I don't care for the looks but the OEM Abarth suspension and steering are what the ND Club should have been.

I would have ditched the BRZ awhile ago, but it has depreciated insanely. And thanks to driving a bit too quickly on a back road (that I know very well), came through the corner, exit is literally a sand pit (blind 190° corner), into ze ditch. So now that is has that on the CarFax (unless the ins or body shop didn't turn it in) I'm basically married to the car until it's nearly paid off or I take a huge hit. And yes, I know this is totally my fault before all the sanctimonious BS starts.

I may start parking it on the street and leaving the spare key fob in it so someone can steal it.

I should have sunk the money into the NC when I had it. It needed a top and to have a competent shop install a quality top around here was $1900 and the BOSE headunit was failing.

Thanks for the Sport mode tip. I drove it. I was not impressed. It has great mid-range, but completely dies after 5k. The transmission also seemed to have a lot longer throws than my ND. 5th also didn't cooperate a few times. I definitely noticed the difference in the steering. The wheel is different too and felt better in the hand. I had read that the Recaro seats sat you higher in the car, but I didn't notice that. My head was the same 1/2" away from the roof as in my ND.

I couldn't get the numbers to work for a red Classica with the Technology package, so I walked. I am still interested to see actual dyno results from reflashes, because this thing has boost delivery issues just like my old MSM.

Fiata has NC trans and diff IIRC

The Fiat has the NC transmission, but the rear diff housing is the same as the ND. It is a 3.4 ratio. The transmission ratios are also different then either the Europe or US NC transmission ratios. I started a topic on m.net that shows all that.

I rented a Fiata for a week in Italy. Good car for the roads around Milan. Point and shoot for that gap. Just don't ask it to rev.

Well, now one of the few guys with a turbo ND (Itozann on m.net) has blown up the "fixed" transmission. This was on the AVO turbo kit. No idea of the power level.

Thus why we have not installed our AVO kit. That's bad news if its the gen 2 box as that's currently the strongest overall. The GCC box we have now is a gen 1 with EMCO 3-4 only.

So Emilio, based on your posts it seems that you believe it's an actual design flaw rather than a defect in certain transmissions, is that correct?

Apologies if that has been explicitly stated elsewhere.

If that's the case, that's really pathetic of Mazda. Sell a car with 155hp... and then make it so the parts can't even handle that. Wow.

This was Mazda's first RWD Skyactiv transmission, I believe. It doesn't excuse the tremendous weakness, but that should explain some of it.

Itozann's tranmission is indeed the "gen 2", so :facepalm:

I don't actually know the truth in this case. I have heard conflicting information from Mazda insiders. Standing up to turbo power is obviously outside the scope of any part on an N/A car designed to be as light and cheap to manufacture as possible.
I have not heard of anyone with a stock or reflash/exhaust tuned power that has broken a gen 2 box. Based on what we know now, we can reasonably postulate that N/A trans woes might be fixed but still not enough for boost.

Our plan for our car is a severely torque limited map in 1-2 and 5-6, letting the kittens run free in 3-4 EMCO gears.

Someone with no mechanical empathy can easily trash a clutch, transmission or diff at any power level. Don't attribute to malice that which can be explained by incompetence.

Lol

This is obviously well beyond an issue of mechanical empathy.

Feeding nearly double the stock torque through the ND box constitutes lack of mechanical empathy.

We car geeks were weened on decades of under engineered, over built, heavy OEM parts that survive 2-3x the OEM power. A deftly engineered, ultra light platform like the ND shows up, we all praise its amazingness but hate on Mazda because they pared down it's mass and drag just a wee bit too much. I could be wrong but I suspect the gen2 box will survive the tuned N/A autocross and HPDE cars just fine. That it doesn't cope with hard use at 2x stock torque isn't Mazda's fault. We asked for an ultra light Miata with a bit more power and room than an NB. We got it.

That all said, we will be investigating transmission swaps so we can take advantage of the AVO's torque in every gear, not just 3-4.