my tube front drifter
 

hes my miata project
to clear up any normal questions,
car was crashed in front by me, this is my soultion
i didnt want to junk a chassis that i just put a cage in

built to formula d specs
running a bp1.8l/99 head
power goal is 400hp

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i do all the engine machining myself

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will those seats even fit?

Looks sick man.

car nice
dRfTa gaydm

not too much?

thats sick, doing the machieneing yourself too! kudos!!!

thats pretty crazy, question:will your intercooler get cooled being high up like that

looking sweet. I like the tube front..

this thing still has alot of work to go, for the intercooler, it is v mounted so that the rad isnt blocked and it getts more air when the car is sideways, i still need to make the ducting for it, yes the seats, fit just barely they are on custom seat mounts weled to the floor

going to cut the hood and make that intercooler functional?

Why would airflow to the ic be a concern whilst your car is sidewayz? At that point you're pretty much crashing anyway, right?

You sure you need 400hp? How much does a Miata need at fighting weight (that car I would guess maybe 1800lbs) to be competitive? What about gearing and what tranny/dif are you using? Custom gearset? I understand you need to keep'em spinning at 100+mph, but how much do you need? 400hp and BP don't mix for long. What kind of budget are you working with and what's the setup on the motor for that power? Maybe build a motor capable of 400hp, then only boost to 300hp so the motor will last forever (or as long as drifting is popular... another week or two).

i doubt it woudl get more air sideways because the air will be pounding the side of your car, if you replaced your passenger door with an intercooler THAT would be more efficient :jerkit:

yes im gonna cut the hood, belive me everything ive done is for a purpose, im not cutting corners, i dont have any sponsors or anything, this is on my own personal budget, every dime i make after bills goes to the car. i work 2 jobs, my part time one is at a performance engine shop, so i get to do all the motor work my self, as for drive train, its a 94, so im gonna use the 1.8l diff with kazz lsd, i have a 02 6spd and a fidanza 8lb flywheel and act 6 puck unsprung clutch w extream pp, motor is fully built, carrillo rods,weisco pistons, balanced, 99 head race ported, plans for valave train are 1mm over valves,springs,retainers,inner shim kit, integral or fuji racing cams, around 274 duration. custom sheet metal intake mani, on the way is a boostlogic manifold(its back ordered, ill have it hopefuly in under a month) with tial 38mm gate

also i have fm sway bars,safe racer links, stance al+ coilovers, im waiting on the secret element inner tie rods for more angle and im making custom spherical bearing outter tierods,

as for power to weight, ever look at rhys millens solstic, i bet thats around 2500 or less lbs, and he pushes more that 500 hp, big smoke and power to hold it sideways down straights, and the power to scrub speed by spinning the tires faster. i can always back it down!

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very nice! keep us updated!

^Hey NOOB, whaddya mean "keep US updated". Go to the meet-n-greet forum and start a thread about yourself. Then you can be one of "us".


AS for the car... WOW!!! That's what I call a setup! That might be one of the most bad-ass Miata's around.

Lol... sorry. I was was just trying to get me 10 posts so that I can start wasting my money in the classifieds section :eek5:. This seemed like the perfect oportunity, since I actually enjoy clean, real CUSTOM work.
Here is a little info on who I am. Aprreciate any help on my issue ;).

https://www.miataturbo.net/forum/showthread.php?t=17894

build me an engine :)

how about this... i sell you my entire turbo kit with all the shit for $2500? ;)

LMAO thats shit made me crack up lol..i guess im in a laughing mood :bowrofl:

What a waste. Nice build, Boo on "drifting" the car.

I swear to christ if one more kid comes up to me when I'm driving my miata and go, "Woah, do you drift?!" I'm gonna punch them in their fucking face!!

It's nice to finally see pics of this car. My buddy John Lawlor has been telling me about it, looks pretty interesting. It'll be cool to see the finished product. Good luck with it.


-Matt

Hahaha... you are very much on track as to what i want to spend some money on (hard top comes first though). Yes, I know you have one of those for sale also :). But what would be the fun in buying a complete working turbo kit?! I come from the VWs'... where nothing is supposed to work the way it should from the get go... and if it does, there is something wrong. Thats how we have fun. Spending 4 hours on cleaning injectors after a swap, to only find out the missfire was being caused by one of the brand new spark plugs... it was non responsive.

To the OP. Sorry I hijacked your thread. I will stop right away if it bothers you.

Thank you!

Yes, I've looked at that solstice. The power doesn't hold it sideways down straights, it's momentum. You don't need 400whp in a miata to be competitive. It wouldn't hurt, but you'd be better spending efforts to get more power in the low end. So when you come in to a low speed corner from a high speed section your motor won't bog, and you won't be killing clutches trying to keep the turbo spooled. Never make the misstake of thinking making more smoke will win in formula d.

I know how you feel.....:vash:

Just give them the finger and drive away like I do to every idiot that tries to race me on the streets.

Looking forward to seeing the numbers from this car... and how the vmount treats you. Unless I keep my progress going... my vmount'd car will just take up space in my garage :p

The difference is you actually used to drift.

im learning how to drift right now. in fact, me and my buddy will be starting on our next project - 89 240sx track bitch. we are considering making it drift-only setup. so far budget looks to be around $10k :)

i dont know whats the big deal with drifting... i like it - you get to learn a lot about car controls!

What specific differences are you planning on doing that would make it "drift-only"?



It's popular to hate on by the grip crowd, basically the same reason they hate any movie with cars in it unless it's Lemans or Grand Prix. It makes they feel faster, and more "pure". Alot of grip drivers think they already have that skill mastered even though they've never done it, much like your delivery truck driver thinks he would be awesome at nascar.

Wish we could just pay more attention to his build... and not the end use of it. Good work and cool projects triumph over all.

For the drift thing... the deal for a bunch of us is....
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wow what is with the drift hating, i love all forms of motor sports, i was into honda drag racing befor i got my miata, i think that roadracing is bad ass too. just drifting is fun and a way to express my driving. i ride flatland bmx also and drifting feels similar to that. i think alot of the sport compact industry is pissed cause drifting as taken the spotlight.
most people who talk shit about drifting have never actualy drifted, they thing that dumping the clutch and power sliding a 90 degree intersetion is drifting. when your doing 80mph and you get your car within a foot from a wall your heart goes into your throat. if drifting is gay to most of you then i guess ralley racing or sprint cars or ice racing is for the dogs too. just because i plan on drifting it doesnt mean i can ajust my alignment and go do a time attack event, most drift cars can handle like you wouldnt belive, if you dont have traction you dont drift(well in control)

as for the bottom end power, a 6spd with 5sp 4.1 gears means short gears so if im gonna dog i can drop it down a gear,or clutch kick, or what ever.

gsx1992- tell john i said hi, i havent talked with him in a while, have him drop me a line

Really? I'd like to think the 5+ years I've spent at autocross has taught me more about car control than "drifting" ever could. I honestly don't see what the big deal is, I think its hella lame and can't believe its actually considered a motorsport. :jerkit:

but how fast are you going in auto cross, 40-50, maybe 60??, and a cone dosnt do any damage, rally racing shares alot in common with drifting, trees and walls do the same damage, and in auto cross your not controling the car in oversteer, your keeping it on the edge of over steer. drifting is simpily puting the car at its absolute limits, are cars have limited steering travle and a short wheel base. making them one of the harder cars to drift. to balance a miata right on steering lock without spining is a feat in its own.

You're not going to win here.

Originally Posted by Doppelgänger
I know how you feel.....


*Points and laughs at Mike*



You can't hide your past! :giggle:

haha, you guys are funny!

Keep up the awesome momentum on the build.

OMG! 5+ years! Of regional autocross! I've heard top F1 teams are scouring the world for that kind of experience! Can you sign my car, prease? Wait? Is anyone from Kansas allowed to use the word Hella?

Are we about to start whipping out dicks and rulers?

I'd imagine you wanna run FD since that's what you're building the car for?

Of course I'm just some schmo on the internettz, but take it for what it's worth. Dropping down a gear or clutch kicking or slipping the clutch will cause the car to shift and seem choppy no matter how smooth you think you can do it. It's better to be able to just roll on more or less throttle.


P.S. Marty, has candy.
P.P.S. Drinking and posting is fun.

IMO, if you can't survive the drift bashing from this forum then you surely don't belong in a race car. :bigtu: And I bet a lot of the bashers don't have this kind of build goin' down. It's just a shame you're putting such a small engine in that giant space. ;)

Comparing rally driving to drifting is one of the more amusing comparisons I have heard.

Last I heard... pure speed/time was the score for rally... vs style points from the judges.

Thus the very enjoyable "figure skating of motorsports" tagline.

Rally (and by rally I mean the guys that are blazing through every kind of terrain imaginable and defying physics at speeds most will never see on pavement) drivers are the gods of all motor racing IMO. And yes, that includes F1 drivers.

I believe somebody here said it - Drifting is a lot like figure skating (not that it's a bad thing) it's scored mostly on style. I don't think I'd bring the 'fear' factor into it.

I prefer "competitive cheerleading"


GO ROB!!!! :dancegay:

People used to tell me my 500hp Drag Miata was a waste! Don't take it personally.. You are enjoying your car and having fun!

The rally comparison is not completely off base, alot of dynamics of drifting are similar to rally and dirt oval racing. As well, a couple of the top US drivers have pro rally experience.

exactly, its the driving that is close, not the scoring, also drifting is getting more and more away from the style aspect, they run gps in the car and sensors on the steering rack to get real numbers on speed, line and angle. i know im not gonna win this and i dont intend to, and belive me i can take a bashing on the things im into, ive been riding flatland for 10years that also has been compared to figureskating and get alot of shit from ramp and dirt riders.

as for room in the engine bay, its not that much room actualy it looks it, but that hoop is in about the same place as the factor metal. and if your trying to tell me to put a v8 in that thing you can go impale your self. i work with v8 engines every day, i have respect for them, but im not a fan of arcadic technology.

Seriously...you guys gonna start ragging on Rhys Millen...or how about his Dad?? The guy who still holds the record time at Pike's Peak?? Don't you think it says something about there being a comparison when Rod Millen decides he's gonna drift, can hop in a car and prove he's worth something?

While neither are my favorite drifters, (and I'd choose rod over rhys) it says a lot. I'm pretty sure if any of you actually took some time to look at drifting you might actually come to appreciate something of it. I don't know what it is about the "grip driving" crowd...and by that i mean aspiring boy racers that makes them think they know so much more than everyone else. How many drag racers are you gonna bash for being retarded? how many drifters? And how many of these same people that you bash try to bash you in return? Not many in my experience. Last I checked not many of you have worked up to get every kind of racing license that exists, I know several drifters that do...hell the youngest to ever get his D1 license started in Spec Miata, then Formula Mazda...you gonna tell him he doesn't know how to drive??

anyways.......... just a quick pointer i threw a flywheel in my miata and clutch kick sucked after that. i put the stocker back in and felt nice... and i have power too 300+ prob to the wheels.... you dont keep that... how do you say momentum if you would call it the break the tires. i mean they with break loose but not as violent as the stock flywheel.... and its not tourqe ... i went to the dyno and put the same #'s about... anyways just throwing that out there put some thought into it....

continue with the bashing

english?

about a page ago someone said that the bp isn't good for 400hp for very long. my motor is built for 500+ and is tuned down to 400rwhp. i have gone 12k miles so far on the same setup and NOT ONE THING has ever gone wrong. it's all about building it right, not cutting corners. anyone can get big numbers, but how long do you want to keep them? the O.P. seems to have it right, and he obviously knows what he's doing. keep up the good work and i will follow this thread and see where you come out at. best of luck bro

^better hurry up and sell it :giggle:

Marty I bet you're a good dancer. :D

i was talking about his set up.... he is throwing in a light weight fly wheel.... i did not like it when i went that route...... you dont break the tires loose as good as with the stock flywheel, when clutch kicking(very common in drifting) sorry i was not so clear on the point of view

the diffrence i noticed with the flywheel change wasnt clutch kicking, my car clutch kicked fine, not that i will be doing it as much with big power, but i notice a huge change in shift locking, again not that i do that much for obvious reasons, but in the rain i used to be able to shift lock, with the fidanza flywheel its a no go, why can you have big power reliably, its not the engine its the drive train that worrys me, when i blow the 6spd i think im gonna do a quaife gear set in my spare 5 spd, or if im up to it find a 6spd sequential or dog box for rx7 and make a conversion kit

Thats because you loose so much rotaional inertia. It takes more power to spin a heavy flywheel, so the tires have a better chance of locking up when trying to spin the heavyer flywheel.

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off topic... where ru in ct?

Nice Build .... Drifting FTW:fawk:

i live in dontwannagetmycarjacked CT

odds are he'd probably jack a car that had an engine and ran first... but I could be wrong

i havent updated this thread in a while here ya go



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233 CFM @25"(247@28")@.500 lift intake
181 CFM @25"(191@28")@.500 lift exhaust

on order
integral cams
R4 intake .490" 295 duration
R1 exhaust .458" 283 duration

they picked out the cam profile based of the flowsheets and specifications i provided


also on order custom rota grid offroads 16x8 gold

I don't know if its cool or I'm pissed to see another turbo miata pop up in CT....:vash:

J/K dude, build looks sick. Ohh, and getting your car "jacked" in CT is highly unlikely.

Vash-