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Old Jan 30, 2010 | 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Rouphis
This may seem like dumb question, but where does VE Live get its target data from?

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From the AFR table
Old Jan 30, 2010 | 09:27 PM
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The 6x6 one in megasquirt? Or the 12X12 one in MLV. In ether case, it is nowhere near correct. In both tables my 101KPa target is 13.0 yet VE Live is trying to make 14.7.

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Old Jan 31, 2010 | 05:33 AM
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It will target whichever table YOU tell it to target. By the way the AFR target table in TS or MT is an 8x8 table.
Do yourself a favour and stick with AFR target table 1 (the 8x8) It's all interpolated so you'll have no gains by having more cells to enter "14.7" in or "12:1" for boost etc.

MLV can be told to base it's analysis on whichever table you tell it to look at.You have an option of three tables IIRC.
Old Jan 31, 2010 | 10:48 AM
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I know about MLV, MLV is fine. But in TS VE Live, its not interpolating correctly.
Old Jan 31, 2010 | 12:38 PM
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Strange, you would be the first to have this problem.

Is your wideband sending the correct values? Are you seeing the same values in TS and on your WB gauge?
Old Jan 31, 2010 | 01:17 PM
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My wideband is fine. And VE analyze in MVL works fine. I will post my .msq in a little while.

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Old Jan 31, 2010 | 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by poobs
What do you guys use for Lambda Delay in ms ?

Not sure I understand that ( ? )

Also, Is it better to set your filter using low KPA rather than RPM ? I figure that way you can tune high kpa low rpm such as when the motor is under high load.


Thanks

Ok, I think I understand what the delay does but how do I determine what to set it to ?

Maybe I'll just leave it alone but again if something seems wrong how do I know if it is these settings that are at fault ?
Old Jan 31, 2010 | 10:20 PM
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Ok guru's... If I load my current msq in megatune like I have been for the past year and a half, the car runs as good as it ever has.
BUT... If I load the same msq using TS it runs like ****. Completely lean idle around 17 to 1, leans out to 18/19 to 1 while free revving the car in neutral. Didn't even try to drive the car as it was running horribly. The ve map is the same in both TS and Megatune, as are all other settings that I can see.
I can't figure this out, any advice would be appreciated. Why the difference?
Old Jan 31, 2010 | 10:52 PM
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Originally Posted by flipt86
Ok guru's... If I load my current msq in megatune like I have been for the past year and a half, the car runs as good as it ever has.
BUT... If I load the same msq using TS it runs like ****. Completely lean idle around 17 to 1, leans out to 18/19 to 1 while free revving the car in neutral. Didn't even try to drive the car as it was running horribly. The ve map is the same in both TS and Megatune, as are all other settings that I can see.
I can't figure this out, any advice would be appreciated. Why the difference?
have you setup a project in ts properly?
Old Jan 31, 2010 | 11:01 PM
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Did you choose the right firmware and set your wideband for your project in TS? Also make sure airden, matfactor, and thermfactor are in the project inc folder.
Old Jan 31, 2010 | 11:12 PM
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Followed the directions in the other thread to the best of my knowledge, hires firmware set, all three inc files are in project inc folder, innovate wideband default selected... I'll look again. Keep the tips coming, this is really frustrating me.
Old Feb 1, 2010 | 12:27 AM
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Is your afr the same in TS? I didn't know people ran the default LC1 settings.
Old Feb 1, 2010 | 06:36 AM
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yes they are the same, I run them on purpose after having a long talk with diy.
Old Feb 1, 2010 | 08:03 AM
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Originally Posted by southernmx5
Did you choose the right firmware and set your wideband for your project in TS? Also make sure airden, matfactor, and thermfactor are in the project inc folder.

Is there a case/condition when you don't have to copy those files to your project folder ????

I'm using TS and MT interchangeably and I'm not having the above problems. !!!
Old Feb 13, 2010 | 04:51 PM
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super noob question...

whenever I use VE live it is targeting WAAAAAAY too rich, cruising in 5th I'm getting in the mid 9's.

I realize this is probably all my fault, I just need to know how to correct it. should I reset-up my LC-1, maybe I have the settings incorrect???
Old Feb 13, 2010 | 04:54 PM
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The VE live uses your AFR table as its target, check that.
Old Feb 13, 2010 | 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by popopopop
The VE live uses your AFR table as its target, check that.
go to ve analyze live > advanced options > AFR targets?


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Old Feb 13, 2010 | 05:53 PM
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well that explains why it's hitting 9s... rofl

try a table like this:

Old Feb 14, 2010 | 01:42 AM
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@jrw - the AFR table in VEanalyze should be the same as your normal AFRtable for VEtable1. It uses the same table.
Old Feb 14, 2010 | 03:54 AM
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JRW, that table looks like a classic case of table corruption. I had a few of those when starting out with MS and TS.

Use Brains and see what happens



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