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Old 01-21-2015, 03:56 PM   #181
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Industrial plastics guys always ask if the application is in direct sunlight for this reason when choosing material for a pliable plastic application. Black sheeting is spec'd over clear/white for longevity if exposed to outdoor UV.

Lighted sign guys would be the exception because black signs don't light up well, lol. And signs don't need to remain pliable. I guess it's ok if they get brittle (you will see a lot of fractured clear/white signs, though).
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Old 02-12-2015, 03:37 PM   #182
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Ok, now that my brakes are settled on I need to pick up some new harnessed. I currently have (driver's side) a 6-point 3" Schroth Racing 6pt Harness Camlock Harness. My plan was just to pick up a passenger harness and call it a day. However, I did not buy the driver's harness, so I have no idea how old it is. So, i figured maybe a better plan is to pick up two new ones so I know the date that both should be replaced. I really like the camlock on the Scroth and would like to stick with a camlock / pull down harness.

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1. I currently have a 6pt harness. I am guessing the benefits to the 6pt is that you are more secure than a 5pt and more importantly it saves my boys in a crash. Is this correct to assume?

2. I can't seem to find 6pt Schoth and I know nothing about harness brands. I am looking for something that is quality, but I am not someone with a bottomless wallet. So I don't need the best of the best of the best. So what other 6pt harness setups/brands do people like? I really like Schoth's camlock, so I would like something that has a user friendly camlock.

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I did not buy the driver's harness, so I have no idea how old it is.

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thats why they have cert tags stitched onto them. if theres no cert tag, then it doesnt matter how old it is because its not legal.

1. that is correct!
2. i like ultrasheild because its the only one i have experience with and theyre cheaper than most of the aftermarket. any camlock is going to be more user friendly than a latch n link
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I wrote some garbage here because I can't read.
My brain must not be functioning today.

I already had some response on this subject. https://www.miataturbo.net/race-prep...2/#post1141573

I will read more and answer my own stupid question


EDIT - After using my eyes to read. I am going to go with the Schroth Racing Profi II.

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1. more secure than a 5pt and more importantly it saves my boys in a crash. Is this correct to assume?
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1. that is correct!
You are also wrong, but thanks for taking a wild-*** guess.

The purpose of a sub belt is to keep the lab belt from rising above your hip bones and into your soft belly. If the lap belt does this your accident will be fatal at a much lower impact speed. A properly placed and properly adjusted sub belt (or belts) will never allow damage to your genitalia, no matter how large a ***** you have. An improperly adjusted sub belt will allow the shoulder harnesses to pull the lap belt upward when your upper body goes forward against them. This then allows the lap belt to move upward and rearward into your belly, pulling the sub belt(s) into your groin area in a way that can be described as "unfavorable." The sub belt is unable to unfavorably contact your ladybits if the lap belt is properly restrained downward by the sub belt(s) with both 5 and 6 pt harnesses.

Many passengers in my car who have never read the manufacturer's guidelines on how to adjust harnesses tell me, "Your bottom belt is too short" when they first get in my car. I don't try to explain it -takes too long. I also have to tell them repeatedly not to tighten the shoulder belts at all until they get the lap belts as tight as they can get them. This is to keep the lap belt from coming up over the hips when they tighten the shoulder belts. There is a proper order to it all.

There are instructions in the box that should be read and understood because improperly worn harnesses will kill you just as fast as improperly installed harnesses.
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No.

You are also wrong, but thanks for taking a wild-*** guess.

The purpose of a sub belt is to keep the lab belt from rising above your hip bones and into your soft belly. If the lap belt does this your accident will be fatal at a much lower impact speed. A properly placed and properly adjusted sub belt (or belts) will never allow damage to your genitalia, no matter how large a ***** you have. An improperly adjusted sub belt will allow the shoulder harnesses to pull the lap belt upward when your upper body goes forward against them. This then allows the lap belt to move upward and rearward into your belly, pulling the sub belt(s) into your groin area in a way that can be described as "unfavorable." The sub belt is unable to unfavorably contact your ladybits if the lap belt is properly restrained downward by the sub belt(s) with both 5 and 6 pt harnesses.

Many passengers in my car who have never read the manufacturer's guidelines on how to adjust harnesses tell me, "Your bottom belt is too short" when they first get in my car. I don't try to explain it -takes too long. I also have to tell them repeatedly not to tighten the shoulder belts at all until they get the lap belts as tight as they can get them. This is to keep the lap belt from coming up over the hips when they tighten the shoulder belts. There is a proper order to it all.

There are instructions in the box that should be read and understood because improperly worn harnesses will kill you just as fast as improperly installed harnesses.

no wild *** guessing here.

i thought i read on a reputable retailers website that a 6 point is less strenuous on the groin area. i dont see how it cant be when its spreading the load out with an additional strap.

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No.

You are also wrong, but thanks for taking a wild-*** guess.

The purpose of a sub belt is to keep the lab belt from rising above your hip bones and into your soft belly. If the lap belt does this your accident will be fatal at a much lower impact speed. A properly placed and properly adjusted sub belt (or belts) will never allow damage to your genitalia, no matter how large a ***** you have. An improperly adjusted sub belt will allow the shoulder harnesses to pull the lap belt upward when your upper body goes forward against them. This then allows the lap belt to move upward and rearward into your belly, pulling the sub belt(s) into your groin area in a way that can be described as "unfavorable." The sub belt is unable to unfavorably contact your ladybits if the lap belt is properly restrained downward by the sub belt(s) with both 5 and 6 pt harnesses.

Many passengers in my car who have never read the manufacturer's guidelines on how to adjust harnesses tell me, "Your bottom belt is too short" when they first get in my car. I don't try to explain it -takes too long. I also have to tell them repeatedly not to tighten the shoulder belts at all until they get the lap belts as tight as they can get them. This is to keep the lap belt from coming up over the hips when they tighten the shoulder belts. There is a proper order to it all.

There are instructions in the box that should be read and understood because improperly worn harnesses will kill you just as fast as improperly installed harnesses.
Thanks for the info! I for sure have my current schroth adjust incorrectly. The good news is that i am ordering two new belts soon. I will make sure they are adjust correctly. They have much easier adjustments on all 6 belts which is what led me to my final choice. Thanks for taking the time to write that.
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Thanks for taking the time to write that.
There are plenty of shitty ways to die, but having several of your internal organs ruptured and spending 10 minutes to an hour conscious of the fact that you are going to die and there is nothing to stop it because there is no way you can get to a hospital and get opened up and repaired quickly enough to survive is pretty crappy. And I wish for none of you here to become injured or killed because I was too lazy to stop and type about it.
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i have to readjust my codrivers sub for him constantly because he wants it comfortable and the camlock ends up around his belly button. he gets it, he just keeps forgetting i guess.

can you expand on why one would want a 6pnt compared to a 5pnt then, and why some sanctioning bodies started mandating 6pnts?
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i have to readjust my codrivers sub for him constantly because he wants it comfortable and the camlock ends up around his belly button. he gets it, he just keeps forgetting i guess.

can you expand on why one would want a 6pnt compared to a 5pnt then, and why some sanctioning bodies started mandating 6pnts?
If you start from page 1 of this thread someone already covered that.
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If you start from page 1 of this thread someone already covered that.
I must forget most everything I read as I've read this whole thread before lol.
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I must forget most everything I read as I've read this whole thread before lol.
Don't feel too bad. I asked the same question twice in this thread.
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There are plenty of shitty ways to die, but having several of your internal organs ruptured and spending 10 minutes to an hour conscious of the fact that you are going to die and there is nothing to stop it because there is no way you can get to a hospital and get opened up and repaired quickly enough to survive is pretty crappy. And I wish for none of you here to become injured or killed because I was too lazy to stop and type about it.
This is by far the most humane thing I've read on this forum. Props most definitely deserved.
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six shooter you are the man.


Off topic but also on topic. i went up to BSCI to have a seat inert made. 3 gopros and a week of editing latter....

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This is by far the most humane thing I've read on this forum. Props most definitely deserved.
I must be slipping. In that case, **** all you bastards!

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six shooter you are the man.
Screw you, too!

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Damn it! I've got to work to get my troll mojo back.
just start talking about how the hellcat is the greatest machine of all time...
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I've looked through this whole thread and didn't find anyone else with this issue. My 99 does not have an oem location for an eyelet bolt on the trans tunnel. Is this common with to have to drill a hole and reinforce the bolt?

Also, why would I choose the $400 schroth over the $200 gforce. Just for the option of pull-up? I don't have any plans on running a hans either.
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I've looked through this whole thread and didn't find anyone else with this issue. My 99 does not have an oem location for an eyelet bolt on the trans tunnel. Is this common with to have to drill a hole and reinforce the bolt?
Only every other NB owner in the world... The floor is much stronger than the tunnel.
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Also, why would I choose the $400 schroth over the $200 gforce. Just for the option of pull-up? I don't have any plans on running a hans either.
Polyester webbing is always nice (less stretch).
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You can buy the G-Force with pull-up adjustment.

My understanding is that the Schroth's are also easier/smoother to adjust -- higher quality webbing and buckles I think. I know my G-Force's tend to take a set, and then they become difficult to tighten -- even with the pull-ups. If you read sixshooter's post, you know that's a bad thing.
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My understanding is that the Schroth's are also easier/smoother to adjust -- higher quality webbing and buckles I think..
Except the clubman, which I have now. Adjusting the lower belts once my seats are in is a PITA. With that being said, I really like the rest of the harness and that is why I stepped my new ones up to the Profi II.
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