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Old 09-30-2012, 11:20 PM   #101
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Whats the setup? What supercharger?
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Old 09-30-2012, 11:26 PM   #103
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Whats the setup? What supercharger?
basic setup is in my signature. almost stock 1.8, 1.2 lysholm water cooled, big injectors, E85, megasquirt.
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Output curve isnt very linear, more like exponential. This is a dyno graph that give linear output.

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Old 09-30-2012, 11:31 PM   #105
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The other contributor to the power drop off is prob exhaust as well. When it was a turbo car, we got by with a glasspack and it was well under db limits. We had to throw a basic dual chamber muffle tank on the back quickly to be ready for nationals after going to the charger. Way too loud with just the glasspack. THat's an area of attention over the winter as well.

Forgot to mention in the basic set up - ebay chinese header.
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Old 09-30-2012, 11:54 PM   #106
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lol I love how you totally make it sound like a "basic" setup.

Oh, its only a near stock (but built) bottom end, 99 head, larger than most supercharger, 1000cc injectors, e85, etc......

Nothing special.

For the money you spent a similarly equipped turbo car would rape your face. In anything but auto-x. Which is what pretty much everyone in this thread has said dozens of times: no one is arguing that for auto-x a big 'ol sc is good.
But for everything else....well, you know the rest.
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Old 09-30-2012, 11:58 PM   #107
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Have you looked into the Borg Warner EFR's? You can have your cake and eat it too.
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Old 10-01-2012, 12:05 AM   #108
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And push 300 hp at 35psi like a bauce
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Old 10-01-2012, 12:19 AM   #109
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I'll never do turbo for the street again after having fun with a supercharger. Planting the throttle at 2500 RPMs and having 250 ft/lbs at the wheels is fun. For peak numbers, sure, have a turbo. For actually having fun accelerating hard between 25 and 40mph, good luck on a turbo.
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I'll never do turbo for the street again after having fun with a supercharger. Planting the throttle at 2500 RPMs and having 250 ft/lbs at the wheels is fun. For peak numbers, sure, have a turbo. For actually having fun accelerating hard between 25 and 40mph, good luck on a turbo.

Show us a dyno with 250wtq at 2500RPM.

I also see you're running this dog-****:

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lol I love how you totally make it sound like a "basic" setup.

Oh, its only a near stock (but built) bottom end, 99 head, larger than most supercharger, 1000cc injectors, e85, etc......

Nothing special.

For the money you spent a similarly equipped turbo car would rape your face. In anything but auto-x. Which is what pretty much everyone in this thread has said dozens of times: no one is arguing that for auto-x a big 'ol sc is good.
But for everything else....well, you know the rest.
There's a difference between a "basic" set up ane what I meant meaning that the basics of my set up are thus.... leaving out the details - just the basics.

Besides, the engine itself is pretty basic. The "99 head" is a stock head. The bottom end is not built in my opinion with "only" rods. Stock crank, stock pan, stock pickup, stock bearings, stock pistons, stock wrist pins, stock rings, stock bore, stock stroke, stock stock stock.

....and money? less than $2000. used lysholm charger. home fabbed piping. home fabbed manifold. home fabbed pully. cheap rca low imp injectors. etc....
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Show us a dyno with 250wtq at 2500RPM.

I also see you're running this dog-****:
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Only dynoed at around 200wtq at 2500RPM right now, and this was before I cleaned up some of the fueling down low. Bigger SC soon and a boost bump, should be closer to 250. Either way, since you're attacking shocks you don't understand, you're obviously just trolling, so I won't bother answering further than this.
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show me a TURBO dyno with 250lb-ft at 2500rpm that's usable power other than with slicks on a dragstrip.
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ummm.... that would NOT be from my car. Even if it were, what does that have to do with power, dynos, a turbo, a supercharger, or anything related to the choice of powerplant at all. Put the crack pipe down and step away from the computer.
Those are the FatCat shocks from my car. He's just trolling random stuff since he's a standard supercharger hater. It hurts his turbopeen. It's a little frustrating that he's a moderator and still trolling this poorly.
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ummm.... that would NOT be from my car. Even if it were, what does that have to do with power, dynos, a turbo, a supercharger, or anything related to the choice of powerplant at all. Put the crack pipe down and step away from the computer.
Not every post in this thread is about you.
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Only dynoed at around 200wtq at 2500RPM right now, and this was before I cleaned up some of the fueling down low. Bigger SC soon and a boost bump, should be closer to 250. Either way, since you're attacking shocks you don't understand, you're obviously just trolling, so I won't bother answering further than this.
So what you're saying is "I don't have a dyno that shows [email protected]". My point exactly.
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Those are the FatCat shocks from my car. He's just trolling random stuff since he's a standard supercharger hater. It hurts his turbopeen. It's a little frustrating that he's a moderator and still trolling this poorly.
It's about perspective.
I'm turboless these days and loving it:

I had a great turbo car, it didn't make [email protected], it made that at 3100. I haven't seen a supercharger I'd want on a Miata, probably never will.
I'm the best troll, lol. It's what I do.
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Those are the FatCat shocks from my car. He's just trolling random stuff since he's a standard supercharger hater. It hurts his turbopeen. It's a little frustrating that he's a moderator and still trolling this poorly.
Hustler is N/A. He's the anti-boost.
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show me a TURBO dyno with 250lb-ft at 2500rpm that's usable power other than with slicks on a dragstrip.
No one needs [email protected] on the street nor a grown-up racetrack. If you want to drive around a parking lot in one gear, then you need all the torque you can get. I also never claimed to have that dyno-sheet for e-bragging.
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Hustler is N/A. He's the anti-boost.
I'm anti-FI for track cars when you don't have enough cash to pay someone like TSE to maintain the thing. I loved the turbo set-up, but my life is different these days and I don't have the skills or classing to be nationally competitive in TTB. I may have those skills in the near future and the wallet to be nationally competitive in a 180whp NA Miata.
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Leafy is everywhere.

I don't really need to convince anyone of anything with turbos vs. superchargers. My SSM car is freaking fun to drive on the street. From a roll at 30mph in third it hits like a truck as soon as you touch the gas. That's fun for me. I used to play with turbos, both little ones in WRX's and big ones in Alltracs and MR2s and Supras. I'll never go back other than for a dedicated track car. For anything other than arrest-me-now 60-100mph pulls (which are fun, but ... yeah, gonna get arrested for it someday), superchargers are way more fun for me.
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