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Old 10-01-2012, 01:02 AM   #121
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Not every post in this thread is about you.
Yeah, I edited it right away. My bad. So how much power are you making with your car anyway? Maybe you could start a new site. I've got a couple name suggestions.
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Leafy is everywhere.

I don't really need to convince anyone of anything with turbos vs. superchargers. My SSM car is freaking fun to drive on the street. From a roll at 30mph in third it hits like a truck as soon as you touch the gas. That's fun for me. I used to play with turbos, both little ones in WRX's and big ones in Alltracs and MR2s and Supras. I'll never go back other than for a dedicated track car. For anything other than arrest-me-now 60-100mph pulls (which are fun, but ... yeah, gonna get arrested for it someday), superchargers are way more fun for me.
I agree. Turbo technology grew-up recently, the BW turbos and new Garretts are going to change the game.
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Yeah, I edited it right away. My bad. So how much power are you making with your car anyway? Maybe you could start a new site. I've got a couple name suggestions.
Right now it's only making like 155whp and 130wtq. The new computer will help out a lot. No need to start a new site. My loyalty lies with Miataturbo and 949/Supermiata.
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No one needs [email protected] on the street nor a grown-up racetrack. If you want to drive around a parking lot in one gear, then you need all the torque you can get. I also never claimed to have that dyno-sheet for e-bragging.
No one needs 250wtq anywhere, but it sure is fun to have.

I suspect my power right now is [email protected] We used to have big issues with the tip-in maps, and we were only really doing full power pulls from 3kish onward with that dyno, and had an electrical issue that ended our day before we could work on the low end.

If you look at the shape of the curve and mirror it back before the tip-in super-richness is killing power, it should be 220-225, and that's what it feels like coming out of slow corners. It's a fun toy. I'm working on converting it to be usable as a street car until I figure out what to do with it, since I'm probably done with autocrossing it. I might pull just the drivetrain out and throw it in another NA as a daily driver and sell off all the other parts.
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I agree. Turbo technology grew-up recently, the BW turbos and new Garretts are going to change the game.
I've heard about that. I'll be interested to see some actual street videos from some of those. Until we're getting 2.5+x stock torque from a small motor without basically any lag, I'll reserve judgement.
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I've heard about that. I'll be interested to see some actual street videos from some of those. Until we're getting 2.5+x stock torque from a small motor without basically any lag, I'll reserve judgement.
You auto-x guys have a very specific need for output below 3000rpm, it doesn't make sense for the daily drivers or track crew because every supercharged car I've tune shows that compromises output above 5000rpm.
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I've heard about that. I'll be interested to see some actual street videos from some of those. Until we're getting 2.5+x stock torque from a small motor without basically any lag, I'll reserve judgement.
Not a stock motor, but I drove a tiny turbo on a 2 litre stroker yesterday. I honestly couldnt feel the switch between vac and boost. It did not hit like a ton of bricks like the other turbo cars I'd driven in. It honestly felt more like just a big NA engine than my old blower setup used to feel like.
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Not a stock motor, but I drove a tiny turbo on a 2 litre stroker yesterday. I honestly couldnt feel the switch between vac and boost. It did not hit like a ton of bricks like the other turbo cars I'd driven in. It honestly felt more like just a big NA engine than my old blower setup used to feel like.
My GT2860rs engine drove like that too and it was the dreaded 8.5:1 static compression bottom end. I'd say 90% of turbo cars are poorly tuned.
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You auto-x guys have a very specific need for output below 3000rpm, it doesn't make sense for the daily drivers or track crew because every supercharged car I've tune shows that compromises output above 5000rpm.
I dont see the need for sub 3000 rpm torque. If I am ever down there I fucked up, or the course sucks because thats like 26mph.
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You auto-x guys have a very specific need for output below 3000rpm, it doesn't make sense for the daily drivers or track crew because every supercharged car I've tune shows that compromises output above 5000rpm.


Looks pretty good to me above 5k. Horsepower's still gaining faster than any turbo dyno other than ~280 duration cammed cars.
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I dont see the need for sub 3000 rpm torque. If I am ever down there I fucked up, or the course sucks because thats like 26mph.
Every national level course I drove this year had turns below 25mph. Courses are getting slower and hairpinier. :(
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show me a TURBO dyno with 250lb-ft at 2500rpm that's usable power other than with slicks on a dragstrip.
So what you're saying is that because of the fact that a turbo car will KEEP making more power and more torque everywhere else in the powerband, and neccessitate the use of slicks to put down all of it at 10/10, it totally SUCKS because it doesn't go limp-dick after that first 5 seconds after you plant your foot?


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Not a stock motor, but I drove a tiny turbo on a 2 litre stroker yesterday. I honestly couldnt feel the switch between vac and boost. It did not hit like a ton of bricks like the other turbo cars I'd driven in. It honestly felt more like just a big NA engine than my old blower setup used to feel like.
For once I actually agree with Leafy
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Great another moron making it hard for smart people with chargers to be taken seriously on mtnet
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Here is a sample of super vs turbo in autocross. Two ~250hp turbo NC's on top and a 200+hp & 175hp supercharged in third and fourth. The boosted class in our club is pretty well prepped suspension wise with mixed power between 175-260hp both supercharged and turbo. Every race is a toss up and almost always a cluster within a few tenths. Typically, the fully prepped STR or other NA/NB steals FTD over all the boosted cars.

In other words, this debate is pointless.
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Here is a sample of super vs turbo in autocross. Two ~250hp turbo NC's on top and a 200+hp & 175hp supercharged in third and fourth. The boosted class in our club is pretty well prepped suspension wise with mixed power between 175-260hp both supercharged and turbo. Every race is a toss up and almost always a cluster within a few tenths. Typically, the fully prepped STR or other NA/NB steals FTD over all the boosted cars.

In other words, this debate is pointless.
Thanks for isolating all variables. Clearly, the supercharger is superior.
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Thanks for isolating all variables. Clearly, the supercharger is superior.
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So what you're saying is that because of the fact that a turbo car will KEEP making more power and more torque everywhere else in the powerband, and neccessitate the use of slicks to put down all of it at 10/10, it totally SUCKS because it doesn't go limp-dick after that first 5 seconds after you plant your foot?


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For once I actually agree with Leafy
you completely missed my point . first of all I never said a turbo sucks . I've owned multiple turbo cars and loved them. that much power down low from a turbo is fun to drive but has serious traction issues . therefore to utilize that power you need drags licks going in a straight line . a specific application. there are twin turbo vipers making 1500hp but unless you are at the drag strip with slicks or maintaining a speed over 80mph it's just for bragging rights . I am after usable power for autocross . I never said a turbo Miata was no fun or sucked .
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Supercharger crew is desperate for validation.
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Back in 1999 when I worked at CARMAX, there were 4 old guys (+65) with miatas that worked with me. They all had JR superchargers; I knew then to go turbo.

Life has worked well for me like that, for example, I often say to myself, "what would a hippy do?" then do the opposite. Formula is great.
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Supercharger crew is desperate for validation.
lol aint that the truth.

99% of sc setups are garbage and failaids.
Then we got these 1%'ers coming in with guns blazing running oversized twin screws, built motors, e85, etc. Screaming that we're all wrong.

Its funny.

In the end, there is no miatasupercharger.net, and most manufacturers either already discontinued, or are discontinuing making blowers for these cars.

I wonder why.
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