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Old Jun 23, 2015 | 01:43 PM
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</p><p>Hmmm, thought I had heard decent things about clutchnet. Arent they the ones that make the FM clutches?</p><p>And I've been doing a lot of reading other places and 8.5 comp is pretty low nowadays for a turbo build. With good fueling and proper engine management you can make higher comp work just fine. Plus as we get more access to E85 it just gives me even more ways to make better power.</p><p>Yank is running a high comp+EFR FE3 build and is loving it. Way more lowend and better spool. I don't want to go such high comp that I have to run E85 full time but I want more than just an old 8.6:1 build.</p><p>
</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>no idea who supplies FM. that doesnt mean much anyway. for example guess who make maxxiss tires? cheng shin. they are a chinese tire manufacturer who make tires unsder thier name as well and they suck something aweful.&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>ive read a few threads on here where people stripped the friction material right off the disc in a matter of days or weeks, and clucth net wouldnt give them a dime or replace anything.&nbsp;but like anything you tend to hear all the bad reviews and failure on the internets, and almost none of the success stories. like i said, hyperbole. do research, make your own decision. i can get the whole act setup to handle 270ftlb on ebay for right under $400. i would be pretty fukin afraid of a 500ftlb disc, PP, TOB kit that was $200.</p>
Old Jun 23, 2015 | 01:44 PM
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<p>I'll probably end up on the safe side at like 9.5. Because I like to break things. But I want to try something new. The higher compression ratio gives me the ability to make more power on E85, and I can have a safer tune for pump gas.</p>
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Originally Posted by turbofan
That's the point... if you run somewhere in the between 9 and 11:1, it's a compromise. For turbo on pump you want to be just below 9. On E85 you want to be well over 10 or even 11.

Mine is either 8.6 or 9:1. I'd still make more power on E85, but on pump it's a good place to be.
Same here. I know I'm screwed with shitty CA91 so 8.6 is my compromise for now. When E85 moves in (and it will) I might go insane and build another shortblock, but for now I'm a realist.
Old Jun 23, 2015 | 01:45 PM
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<p>also all the MT.net OG's scoff at clutch net, and they cant be wrong sooo......</p>
Old Jun 23, 2015 | 01:46 PM
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</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>no idea who supplies FM. that doesnt mean much anyway. for example guess who make maxxiss tires? cheng shin. they are a chinese tire manufacturer who make tires unsder thier name as well and they suck something aweful.&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>ive read a few threads on here where people stripped the friction material right off the disc in a matter of days or weeks, and clucth net wouldnt give them a dime or replace anything.&nbsp;but like anything you tend to hear all the bad reviews and failure on the internets, and almost none of the success stories. like i said, hyperbole. do research, make your own decision. i can get the whole act setup to handle 270ftlb on ebay for right uner $400. i would be pretty fukin afraid of a 500ftlb disc, PP, TO kit that was $200.</p><p>
</p><p>Lol, I meant it cost 200 more for a similar ACT. the 500 ft/lb clutchnet is 420. Goodwin has a 4something ft/lb ACT for 600. I know boosted smurf is running a clutchnet disk, maybe I'll see how his works out. He is going to be running quite a bit more power than me.</p>
Old Jun 23, 2015 | 01:47 PM
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Same here. I know I'm screwed with shitty CA91 so 8.6 is my compromise for now. When E85 moves in (and it will) I might go insane and build another shortblock, but for now I'm a realist.
</p><p>Just means I'll have to go full baller and buy 100 octane when I go to thunderhill. Honestly I think this build is going to be at least a year and a half. I have a lot of other things going on, and I'm really happy with how my car is running right now.&nbsp;</p>
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Originally Posted by aidandj
<p></p><p>Basically spending some time talking to some of my BMW buddies and others 8.6:1 compression is &quot;so last year&quot;. You can run higher compression on pump gas because of how much aftermarket engine management has improved. Especially with a good knock sensor. Its going to be a lot more research but from what I've read other places 10:1 on pump gas works just fine with good intercooling, fueling, and maybe some water/meth.</p>

There's a difference between "just fine" and "ideal." :lol:

Were those BPs?


Also: I believe it's Comp that supplies FM. For turbo, you want ACT, FM2, or maybe a Souf Bend if you're intent on trying something new for reasons.

I'm going with a Clutchnet for my SE, but that's ENTIRELY different goals.
Old Jun 23, 2015 | 02:11 PM
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</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Lol, I meant it cost 200 more for a similar ACT. the 500 ft/lb clutchnet is 420. Goodwin has a 4something ft/lb ACT for 600. I know boosted smurf is running a clutchnet disk, maybe I'll see how his works out. He is going to be running quite a bit more power than me.</p><p>
</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>which exact ACT clucth is that?&nbsp;and i want a model number</p>
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<p>Damn, you're right about comp.</p><p>just fine on pump gas, and holy ***** this is awesome on e85 is where I think I want to end up. But when it comes down to it. I wouldn't say no to a set of forged 9:1 pistons for the right deal. But I'm also not shying away from 10:1 if those pop up too.</p><p>FM2 is not strong enough for my dreams.</p><p>Sean: linky here</p>
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Edit:

That clutch sounds miserable. Oi. Sounds like my clutch, only probably worse.
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Old Jun 23, 2015 | 02:17 PM
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Old Jun 23, 2015 | 02:30 PM
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<p>I'm sure the FM2 would be fine. Which one do you have.</p>
Old Jun 23, 2015 | 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by turbofan
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That clutch sounds miserable. Oi. Sounds like my clutch, only probably worse.
Might not be too bad. I have a 4 puck rated to 575ftlbs in the MX6 and besides having a pretty narrow engagement point, it's easy enough to drive.

Blue Miata is getting the ACT rated to 567ftlbs, mostly because i already have the disc laying around and i'm dumb.
Old Jun 23, 2015 | 02:32 PM
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<p>Um how bout you just toss that ACT disk in with the FPR.</p>
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Originally Posted by aidandj
<p>Um how bout you just toss that ACT disk in with the FPR.</p>

It's a man-sized disc, won't work with weak Miata bullshit.
Old Jun 23, 2015 | 02:45 PM
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<p>I'll show it some man-sized boost....at some point.</p>
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It's not a boost problem. You currently don't have anything you can use this disc with.
Old Jun 23, 2015 | 02:46 PM
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<p>Blue Miata? What did you put in that?</p><p>&nbsp;</p>
Old Jun 23, 2015 | 02:50 PM
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Nothing. Yet.

This bolts up to my motor, though.

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<p><span>@hornetball tell me more about axle rebuilds. You mentioned finding cv boots on rockauto but I'm not sure exactly what I need. Also need to find a good source of axle nuts.</span></p>



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